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Originally Posted By krdt: FYI, if you want to get really specific, the KAC ambis were only used by MARSOC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By krdt: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Originally Posted By Soopreme: I believe the KAC is also kosher. Originally Posted By Thanos7856: KAC is GTG This one? https://www.armsunlimited.com/Knights-Semi-Auto-Ambidextrous-Safety-Selector-Kit-p/25776.htm FYI, if you want to get really specific, the KAC ambis were only used by MARSOC. Hmmm, with my receivers I'm not sure I'm in a position to worry about being that specific Originally Posted By FastCar: Guys, quick questions here: On the Form 1, Question 4D. It says "Model (As marked on firearm). What is the correct answer for this box since AR15 is NOT marked on the Colt gov't property lower i'm using? Next question on the Form 1 is Question 4F: What is the OAL of a SBR with LMT SOPMOD stock, milspec buffer tube, and 10.3" Colt barrel without the muzzle device attached? I'm seeing a bunch of different answers from 27.4" all the way to 29.5" and different answers like add barrel length plus 19" and i don't know what to use. Last question on Form 1 is Question 4H: It says additional Description. Do you guys leave this blank or do you put your Trust name, City & State? I'm filling this out on Eforms so please keep that in mind if it means anything. Thanks. Saved me from having to ask |
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Originally Posted By FastCar: Guys, quick questions here: On the Form 1, Question 4D. It says "Model (As marked on firearm). What is the correct answer for this box since AR15 is NOT marked on the Colt gov't property lower i'm using? This is what's marked on the receiver. If your receiver says "M4A1 Carbine" (for example), then that's what goes in this box. Next question on the Form 1 is Question 4F: What is the OAL of a SBR with LMT SOPMOD stock, milspec buffer tube, and 10.3" Colt barrel without the muzzle device attached? I'm seeing a bunch of different answers from 27.4" all the way to 29.5" and different answers like add barrel length plus 19" and i don't know what to use. It will be somewhere around 29" (roughly) but will depend on the actual length of the barrel, the length of your lower receiver thread section, SOPMOD-to-buffer tube fit, your measuring tape (shocker they aren't all exactly the same), and even how far the buffer tube is screwed in. Just get as close as you can using a non-NFA upper if you have one (I.e. measure with a 16" bbl, subtract the bbl length and add your shorter bbl length to that). You can always update the actual length with ATF once it's been manufactured Last question on Form 1 is Question 4H: It says additional Description. Do you guys leave this blank or do you put your Trust name, City & State? This box is for recording what will be engraved on your lower (i.e. name and location) I'm filling this out on Eforms so please keep that in mind if it means anything. Thanks. View Quote Wrote this on mobile so pardon the bad grammar. |
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I believe I saw someone wanting to trade their Colt stripped factory 10.3" barrel for a 14.5" Colt or FN barrel.
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I originally bought my NT4 in black because I was building up a MK18 Mod 0 clone. By the time I had my can approved, I had ditched that build (for a number of reasons--all having to do with personal preference, shooting experience, etc.). Fast forward to today and I keep seeing rad Block II builds (@tinycrumb) and others who are running the taupe NT4. I'm seriously considering having mine professionally Cerakoted in the correct KAC taupe, but also don't want to mess it up. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483798_871c29499a_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483783_a744ba1514_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483743_65cf365d66_z.jpg A few questions: (1) What, if any tradeoffs are there to having it Cerakoted third-party vs. how it would have been done at the KAC factory? (2) Will the media blasting have any issues with the intricate perforations of the outer portion of the can or is this no big deal? (3) How would one effectively back out those two pins to release the locking mechanism hardware and separate the gate attachment pieces from the can itself? (Some of these may be no-brainers for the Cerakote guy I am planning on using: kotedarms.com (Mesa, AZ); just would be nice to hand him the can without having to rely upon him to disassemble it.) Lastly, D.Wilson MFG had recently posted a photo of the Cerakote color they use to match the older KAC taupe. Is this the right color I would track down? Is there anything KAC would do differently at the factory to coat an NT4 suppressor to ensure longevity, coloring, etc. under high heat or am I over-thinking this? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483768_f544331c07_z.jpg View Quote You wont like my answer but: i say spray paint it and then shoot the shit out of it. Finishes on cans is over rated... |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: You wont like my answer but: i say spray paint it and then shoot the shit out of it. Finishes on cans is over rated... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I originally bought my NT4 in black because I was building up a MK18 Mod 0 clone. By the time I had my can approved, I had ditched that build (for a number of reasons--all having to do with personal preference, shooting experience, etc.). Fast forward to today and I keep seeing rad Block II builds (@tinycrumb) and others who are running the taupe NT4. I'm seriously considering having mine professionally Cerakoted in the correct KAC taupe, but also don't want to mess it up. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483798_871c29499a_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483783_a744ba1514_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483743_65cf365d66_z.jpg A few questions: (1) What, if any tradeoffs are there to having it Cerakoted third-party vs. how it would have been done at the KAC factory? (2) Will the media blasting have any issues with the intricate perforations of the outer portion of the can or is this no big deal? (3) How would one effectively back out those two pins to release the locking mechanism hardware and separate the gate attachment pieces from the can itself? (Some of these may be no-brainers for the Cerakote guy I am planning on using: kotedarms.com (Mesa, AZ); just would be nice to hand him the can without having to rely upon him to disassemble it.) Lastly, D.Wilson MFG had recently posted a photo of the Cerakote color they use to match the older KAC taupe. Is this the right color I would track down? Is there anything KAC would do differently at the factory to coat an NT4 suppressor to ensure longevity, coloring, etc. under high heat or am I over-thinking this? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483768_f544331c07_z.jpg You wont like my answer but: i say spray paint it and then shoot the shit out of it. Finishes on cans is over rated... |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I originally bought my NT4 in black because I was building up a MK18 Mod 0 clone. By the time I had my can approved, I had ditched that build (for a number of reasons--all having to do with personal preference, shooting experience, etc.). Fast forward to today and I keep seeing rad Block II builds (@tinycrumb) and others who are running the taupe NT4. I'm seriously considering having mine professionally Cerakoted in the correct KAC taupe, but also don't want to mess it up. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483798_871c29499a_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483783_a744ba1514_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483743_65cf365d66_z.jpg A few questions: (1) What, if any tradeoffs are there to having it Cerakoted third-party vs. how it would have been done at the KAC factory? (2) Will the media blasting have any issues with the intricate perforations of the outer portion of the can or is this no big deal? (3) How would one effectively back out those two pins to release the locking mechanism hardware and separate the gate attachment pieces from the can itself? (Some of these may be no-brainers for the Cerakote guy I am planning on using: kotedarms.com (Mesa, AZ); just would be nice to hand him the can without having to rely upon him to disassemble it.) Lastly, D.Wilson MFG had recently posted a photo of the Cerakote color they use to match the older KAC taupe. Is this the right color I would track down? Is there anything KAC would do differently at the factory to coat an NT4 suppressor to ensure longevity, coloring, etc. under high heat or am I over-thinking this? https://live.staticflickr.com /65535/50145483768_f544331c07_z.jpg View Quote I would drop this idea like a hot rock, just spray it with krylon and forget this giant exercise that could end badly. |
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Well, FWIW, I called Capitol Armory in Cedar Park, TX. They're a big suppressor dealer, Knight's Armament dealer, and offer suppressor Cerakoting/refinishing services. The gentleman said they have done the legacy NT4 cans in the past, but they're a bit of a pain. There's an additional charge to remove the hardware and they can't fully remove the gate latch itself due to what he said was a blind pin. He said the end result is you don't have a perfect coating of all the desired parts as they can't fully remove the hardware. Also, he didn't seem too concerned about getting an exact color match, which would've been important to me. So yeah, no sense in paying all that money + shipping/insurance both ways to have less-than-perfect results. Probably will just leave it alone or spray paint it neon blue splatter.
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No need to Michael Jackson that black NT4...it looks good the way it is.
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Picked up a little parts lot from a buddy last night for a good deal. So I guess I’m back into the mk18 gang.
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Originally Posted By Conner378: Picked up a little parts lot from a buddy last night for a good deal. So I guess I’m back into the mk18 gang. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/448813/2E0B929C-34C1-4099-AC00-1FC630212FEE_jpe-1517231.JPG View Quote Damn nice score. |
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The ride continues for these lower receivers. Man these things are really only obtainable through buying the entire rifle. I'm hoping someone wants to get rid of an KAC lower, I'd skip the Colt M4 for that.
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I originally bought my NT4 in black because I was building up a MK18 Mod 0 clone. By the time I had my can approved, I had ditched that build (for a number of reasons--all having to do with personal preference, shooting experience, etc.). Fast forward to today and I keep seeing rad Block II builds (@TinyCrumb) and others who are running the taupe NT4. I'm seriously considering having mine professionally Cerakoted in the correct KAC taupe, but also don't want to mess it up. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483798_871c29499a_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483783_a744ba1514_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483743_65cf365d66_z.jpg A few questions: (1) What, if any tradeoffs are there to having it Cerakoted third-party vs. how it would have been done at the KAC factory? (2) Will the media blasting have any issues with the intricate perforations of the outer portion of the can or is this no big deal? (3) How would one effectively back out those two pins to release the locking mechanism hardware and separate the gate attachment pieces from the can itself? (Some of these may be no-brainers for the Cerakote guy I am planning on using: kotedarms.com (Mesa, AZ); just would be nice to hand him the can without having to rely upon him to disassemble it.) Lastly, D.Wilson MFG had recently posted a photo of the Cerakote color they use to match the older KAC taupe. Is this the right color I would track down? Is there anything KAC would do differently at the factory to coat an NT4 suppressor to ensure longevity, coloring, etc. under high heat or am I over-thinking this? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483768_f544331c07_z.jpg View Quote Black NT4 is clone correct on mod 1 anyways if that’s what you’re going for. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I originally bought my NT4 in black because I was building up a MK18 Mod 0 clone. By the time I had my can approved, I had ditched that build (for a number of reasons--all having to do with personal preference, shooting experience, etc.). Fast forward to today and I keep seeing rad Block II builds (@TinyCrumb) and others who are running the taupe NT4. I'm seriously considering having mine professionally Cerakoted in the correct KAC taupe, but also don't want to mess it up. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483798_871c29499a_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483783_a744ba1514_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483743_65cf365d66_z.jpg A few questions: (1) What, if any tradeoffs are there to having it Cerakoted third-party vs. how it would have been done at the KAC factory? (2) Will the media blasting have any issues with the intricate perforations of the outer portion of the can or is this no big deal? (3) How would one effectively back out those two pins to release the locking mechanism hardware and separate the gate attachment pieces from the can itself? (Some of these may be no-brainers for the Cerakote guy I am planning on using: kotedarms.com (Mesa, AZ); just would be nice to hand him the can without having to rely upon him to disassemble it.) Lastly, D.Wilson MFG had recently posted a photo of the Cerakote color they use to match the older KAC taupe. Is this the right color I would track down? Is there anything KAC would do differently at the factory to coat an NT4 suppressor to ensure longevity, coloring, etc. under high heat or am I over-thinking this? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483768_f544331c07_z.jpg View Quote My Block 1 in the late 90s had a black NT4. The last NT4s we sent back to Crane in 17' where FDE. I would just rattle can it to match the gun. That was what was done in the field anyway. CD |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Yes, but only a very small numbers. Majority are Colt or FN. CD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Yes, but only a very small numbers. Majority are Colt or FN. CD Nifty... now I can say the TC carrier in my RC host CQBR was all part of the clone plan ;D. Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: Well, FWIW, I called Capitol Armory in Cedar Park, TX. They're a big suppressor dealer, Knight's Armament dealer, and offer suppressor Cerakoting/refinishing services. The gentleman said they have done the legacy NT4 cans in the past, but they're a bit of a pain. There's an additional charge to remove the hardware and they can't fully remove the gate latch itself due to what he said was a blind pin. He said the end result is you don't have a perfect coating of all the desired parts as they can't fully remove the hardware. Also, he didn't seem too concerned about getting an exact color match, which would've been important to me. So yeah, no sense in paying all that money + shipping/insurance both ways to have less-than-perfect results. Probably will just leave it alone or spray paint it neon blue splatter. I completely understand the impulse... taupe just goes with a Block II IMO. It's entirely doable, but I imagine the end result will come down to the applicator and their attention to detail. Just like with gunsmiths, they run the gamut from competent to "how do they stay in business." FYI, there are multiple ways of removing those blind pins (a small self-tapping screw or tacking a welding rod and using some pliers or a slide hammer, even putting grease down into the hole and using hydraulic pressure via a punch to force them out). For that matter, they bend fairly easily (just ask Spool, he bent one or both of his at the clone shoot); you could lightly bend them out, enough to grab with some pliers, and work them out since they aren't very deep with plenty of exposed pin. In other words, they can be removed if you're willing to replace the pins. Last I checked, all of the gate latch hardware, including the pins if I'm not mistaken, is available from Operation Parts. If you do decide to go ahead with it, make sure they are using Cerakote-C, which is the high temp variety. Personally, I'd probably do it if the price is reasonable; the main issue is getting the latch hardware out and that's not a huge deal. If it's between rattle-can and keeping it black, I'd just keep it black. |
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Originally Posted By krdt: Nifty... now I can say the TC carrier in my RC host CQBR was all part of the clone plan ;D. I completely understand the impulse... taupe just goes with a Block II IMO. It's entirely doable, but I imagine the end result will come down to the applicator and their attention to detail. Just like with gunsmiths, they run the gamut from competent to "how do they stay in business." FYI, there are multiple ways of removing those blind pins (a small self-tapping screw or tacking a welding rod and some pliers or a slide hammer, even putting grease down into the hole and using hydraulic pressure via a punch to force them out). For that matter, they bend fairly easily (just ask Spool, he bent one or both of his at the clone shoot); you could lightly bend them out, enough to grab with some pliers, and work them out since they aren't very deep with plenty of exposed pin. In other words, they can be removed if you're willing to replace the pins. Last I checked, all of the gate latch hardware, including the pins if I'm not mistaken, is available from Operation Parts. If you do decide to go ahead with it, make sure they are using Cerakote-C, which is the high temp variety. Personally, I'd probably do it if the price is reasonable; the main issue is getting the latch hardware out and that's not a huge deal. If it's between rattle-can and keeping it black, I'd just keep it black. View Quote Thanks @krdt |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I originally bought my NT4 in black because I was building up a MK18 Mod 0 clone. By the time I had my can approved, I had ditched that build (for a number of reasons--all having to do with personal preference, shooting experience, etc.). Fast forward to today and I keep seeing rad Block II builds (@TinyCrumb) and others who are running the taupe NT4. I'm seriously considering having mine professionally Cerakoted in the correct KAC taupe, but also don't want to mess it up. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483798_871c29499a_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483783_a744ba1514_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483743_65cf365d66_z.jpg A few questions: (1) What, if any tradeoffs are there to having it Cerakoted third-party vs. how it would have been done at the KAC factory? (2) Will the media blasting have any issues with the intricate perforations of the outer portion of the can or is this no big deal? (3) How would one effectively back out those two pins to release the locking mechanism hardware and separate the gate attachment pieces from the can itself? (Some of these may be no-brainers for the Cerakote guy I am planning on using: kotedarms.com (Mesa, AZ); just would be nice to hand him the can without having to rely upon him to disassemble it.) Lastly, D.Wilson MFG had recently posted a photo of the Cerakote color they use to match the older KAC taupe. Is this the right color I would track down? Is there anything KAC would do differently at the factory to coat an NT4 suppressor to ensure longevity, coloring, etc. under high heat or am I over-thinking this? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50145483768_f544331c07_z.jpg View Quote Went through this same thing with my black NT4. Just ended up spraying it but most of the paint bubbled up after a few rounds anyways so now it’s black with specs of burnt brown paint. Actually looks kinda cool. I don’t even think about it anymore. Just paint it and shoot it. But it did look good pre range trip: Attached File Shitty pic but this what it looks like now Attached File |
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Are Colt M4 lowers hard to find these days? I may have one laying in the bottom of the safe.
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Originally Posted By Socomike: Are Colt M4 lowers hard to find these days? I may have one laying in the bottom of the safe. View Quote They are not in stock online anywhere, and colt just started shipping 6920's again to retail distributors, good deals sell almost instantly. A week and a half ago there was a distributor with OEM-2 rifles for $749, and they sold all 65 of them in about 4 hours. Others online shops with 6920's seem to be selling them for $1100-1249 and they go rather quick. It's not exactly salad days anymore. |
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What pelican case do you guys recommend to fit both a Block II 14.5 and a CQBR?
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Originally Posted By Conner378: Got most of the paint stripped ,put some parts together and went and got this thing sighted in. https://i.postimg.cc/4yjXPrxg/EA3109-F6-3-A59-4-E67-A9-EA-06885-D956663.jpg View Quote Looks great! Nice to have you back in the thread. |
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No kidding? Not worth much huh?
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I wasnt looking to sell, really. But if someone in here is willing to pay the price, I dont have any plans for it currently. Also looking for an Aimpoint PRO. Would be willing to work a partial trade on it.
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Originally Posted By Socomike: I wasnt looking to sell, really. But if someone in here is willing to pay the price, I dont have any plans for it currently. Also looking for an Aimpoint PRO. Would be willing to work a partial trade on it. View Quote We can certainly have that conversation as I’m looking for one |
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Originally Posted By Conner378: Got most of the paint stripped ,put some parts together and went and got this thing sighted in. https://i.postimg.cc/4yjXPrxg/EA3109-F6-3-A59-4-E67-A9-EA-06885-D956663.jpg View Quote That looks nice! Seeing a lot of T1/T2 on issued M4 varieties, even the URG-I. |
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Originally Posted By FastCar: Guys, quick questions here: On the Form 1, Question 4D. It says "Model (As marked on firearm). What is the correct answer for this box since AR15 is NOT marked on the Colt gov't property lower i'm using? Next question on the Form 1 is Question 4F: What is the OAL of a SBR with LMT SOPMOD stock, milspec buffer tube, and 10.3" Colt barrel without the muzzle device attached? I'm seeing a bunch of different answers from 27.4" all the way to 29.5" and different answers like add barrel length plus 19" and i don't know what to use. Last question on Form 1 is Question 4H: It says additional Description. Do you guys leave this blank or do you put your Trust name, City & State? I'm filling this out on Eforms so please keep that in mind if it means anything. Thanks. View Quote Model is M4A1. I used the length as 28.8" You put what you engrave on the gun in 4H. |
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Originally Posted By cmcflex: Taupe is dope but black NT4s on Block IIs are sweet, too. Refinishing costs might be better spent on a new NT4. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7738/17179705990_a9b6521222_b.jpg View Quote I bought a black RC2 because I couldn't pass up the deal. I figure some Rustoleum and a lot of shooting it will be colored just fine anyway. |
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Originally Posted By TNW: Forgot what I came here for. Can anyone send me a CAD file or other sort of blueprints for a RIS II barrel nut wrench? Thanks View Quote Originally Posted By LsuJon: What pelican case do you guys recommend to fit both a Block II 14.5 and a CQBR? View Quote Originally Posted By blindrocket: I bought a black RC2 because I couldn't pass up the deal. I figure some Rustoleum and a lot of shooting it will be colored just fine anyway. View Quote |
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Appreciate the response on the cases. Now, has anyone seen ITW Geiselle maritime bolt catch? On really any builds?
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Appreciate the response on the cases. Now, has anyone seen ITW Geiselle maritime bolt catch? On really any builds? View Quote Negative. I am also not very fond of them. The make removing the hammer pin difficult. You'd think that a company that started out making triggers wouldn't make a mistake like that. |
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Originally Posted By cmcflex: Taupe is dope but black NT4s on Block IIs are sweet, too. Refinishing costs might be better spent on a new NT4. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7738/17179705990_a9b6521222_b.jpg View Quote Interesting BUIS. Magpul rear and Troy front? |
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Originally Posted By krdt: http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.063020.SMP842-Mk18-RS-02.jpg View Quote That paint refinish turned out so good |
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Originally Posted By Bhavin22: That paint refinish turned out so good View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bhavin22: Originally Posted By krdt: http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.063020.SMP842-Mk18-RS-02.jpg That paint refinish turned out so good Thanks :D. That Aervoe is some tough stuff, too. While it doesn't see a ton of use compared to my Block IIs, it'd be showing far more visible wear with Rusto or Krylon by this point. The Aervoe is just barely starting to show wear on corners; with decent prep, it's surprising how well it holds up for rattle-can. |
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Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/553401D0-9757-4023-8D4C-E8D1CABCF3A6_jpe-1520572.JPG View Quote Not a Gen 1 |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Not a Gen 1 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/553401D0-9757-4023-8D4C-E8D1CABCF3A6_jpe-1520572.JPG Not a Gen 1 That's what happens when you start a clone build in the middle of a panic |
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