Very nice man!
Exactly what I'm working towards if the ATF would speed things up a little more than my last transfer

who dares wins

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i love the Mod 0 . all i do is build spec guns. how you guys get the pics so big and super clear ?
freakin Awesome !!!!

 
We've been glued to our PCs, hanging out in our mother's basements for years.

LOL LOL....teach me... i have many more pics.

i use a Specter single point sling with GGG adapter behind the castle nut.

 
Actually, pretty much any newish smartphone can take really good pics. 95% of a pic is the setup and the lighting. EC could probably give you (and all of us) some good pointers. He always seems to have a good camera with him on his adventures.

i use a Canon G9 and just take the card out and stick it in the laptop. i still have a flip phone...lol

Shot the challenge today

Must reshoot given the now much longer time frame.  The temp changed about 45 degrees since I zeroed it.  And there was a bug in my eye.  And it was windy and raining.  And there was an earthquake..... whatever excuses I can muster.  I was embarrassed.  And would have reshot it on the spot, had I not used my last target and last 10 rnds for the challenge.

i usually throw out there a B27 at 200 yds and some steel, take a knee and go to work.....
i shot a USMC MEU Qual setup as a match and won with the Mod 0 back in 2009. no can on... ill dig up pics from that.
i shoot it left handed at 100 on steel... its good to switch.some call it weak side, but there is no weak side, just left... shoot at night , etc.

and i have a 14.5 upper for it with Ta01 NSN

Fuck, that looks good. I need another 80. I fucked up another one again. Another 50 bucks down the toilet.

Somebody took the tape off your EOTech, and spun the elevation and windage dials 20 turns, then put the tape back on, is what excuse I would've gone with.

What page were the rules on?

CUTOFF DATE EXTENSION ADDED.

*******FINAL REVISION*******
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
*******OFFHAND CQBR CHALLEGE*******

When you guys post your results, I'll need the following- (I'll keep it minimal since we all know the ground rules, and that ONLY CQBR's can be used)

* Your barrel brand and length

* Optic used

* Ammunition used (refer to rule list for challenge legal ammo)

* Your smallest group size of the three targets

* Your AVERAGED total score of the three targets

(for the dumb dumbs, you add the total score of all hits on all 3 targets, and divide by the amount of targets used (3) ) This averaged total is out of 100 possible points.


If anybody wants anything else added to the score card, let me know. I'm open to anything that isn't a given, meaning we don't need distance, shooting position etc, as these are constants.


*******MILSPEC556'S OFFHAND CQBR CHALLENGE RULE LIST*******


If these rules don't work for everyone for some reason, let me know. 

-50 yards 
-10 rounds 
-10 seconds (time begins with first shot) 
-IPSC paper or cardboard target
-Standing position 
-CQBR clone with appropriate optic or irons 
-Only the following types of ammunition may be used (some form of commercial load advertised as such)- M855, M193, Mk262, Mk318 (tell me if I am missing something) 

Scoring as follows: 

Possible score of 100/100. 

Hits in the A zone are 10 pts each. B is 9, C is 8, D is 7. 

Shots that do not impact the target receive a score of 0. 

Shooters will shoot three separate clean targets, score them and use the average of all three as their score here. This is intended to mitigate the "luck" factor that Stoner mentioned previously. 

Ex: a 90/100, a 97/100 and a 99/100 will give you a score of 95.3/100. 

Ties go to the shooter with the SINGLE smallest group out of their three.

* Challenge ends 31DEC15



IPSC TARGET ONLY YOU FILTHY ANIMALS

i load my own m193,855,69,and 77 smks.
where do i get a IPSC target. i may have one as pictured, i have to look.  fun drill.

http://www.letargets.com/content/ipsc-cb-ipsc-uspsa-cardboard-torso-target.asp

I had to like it, then unlike it, just so I could like it one more time for good measure..LOL..

Eric, any particular reason you went with Colt Defense instead of Colt's MFG Co, Inc.?   Braceman?

No reason. I actually overlooked it. I knew I missed something.

Yeah Brace did them.

.........seems I've seen M4A1 lowers roll marked both ways.  I've never deciphered exactly when or why the change......they seem to overlap serial # range.

No, never installed a SF3P only SF4Ps.  What I reported was on the SF mini monster suppressor.


CD

Yes on the Geissele triggers, only SF4Ps or NT4 on issued guns down range.  The other rail was Samson not Troy.  That rail was state bought for the SF Guard teams.


CD

People wanted it to be true so badly.

It's so true...I was losing sleep over my inappropriate 3P!

So for the record, have we seen anything from Troy ITW?

Troy folding sights.

 
Well how about this. I'll send you a 3P, install it on someones rifle and tell them to go rock it for the day, take plenty of pictures and we will buy them beer. After they give you the pictures, post them on here.

Deal? Cuz I'm seriously loosing sleep over this shit. I feel like I just need to throw my Mk18 in the river now because its a filthy whore.






 



That or send me a 4P, I'll send you $200.00 dollars and never speak about it! ;)



 


Side note my LGS has plenty of NT4 flash hiders in-stock, I just don't like them. I want to run a FDE/TAN Warden while I wait for my RC can as I shoot in stalled lanes a lot so I think I'm just going to go Surefire 3P at this point and be done with it. I keep holding out for a 4P but they prices just keep going higher and they have now hit mentally challenged levels.


 

I don't know what you're talking about, the prices for 4P are at an all time low. Availability is at an all time high.

I've seen these sell for $650, and maybe 4 or 5 for sale in a year.

Also some math to help with your decisions if you want to be clone correct:

Retail for a SF3P: $100-$129.99 (higher being SF's retail)

Market Value for a hard to find SF4P: $300-$400

That means that you're paying about $200 more for a clone correct part. How many of you have paid above $400 for a RIS II? That's over $100 what they retailed for. You can find black MK18 RIS IIs even cheaper if you're trying not to be clone correct but talk about equivalent parts. Lastly, if you plan on having a stable of exact clones an NT4 does a pretty good job of paying itself off with cheap clone correct muzzle devices.

You make compelling talking points, and in the grand scheme of things, a few hundred here or there isn't a big deal in the clone world.  I do however respect the worth of one man's hard earned dollar, and understand if someone didn't want to pay extra.

LOL.

SF4P master race, regardless of price paid.  

I also cannot personally, (IMO) stand the look of a 3 prong after only owning 4 prongs.  Idk, I just... can't.  It just doesn't look right.

I agree....it looks even more ridiculous after you attach a SOCOM!  

People that aren't in the know, just don't know.
I also got a kick of your last comment on the last page. Guys wanted 3Ps to be in use so bad they made up stories that CD "said"

That's pretty bad.

I see what you did there....

In fairness, I believe CD did in fact reference 3Ps he's seen on SF issued rigs.

So, just because he didn't personally install them, it doesn't mean that he didn't reference them at one point.

For those wanting the 4P that bad, I have a brand new one I'm willing to trade for a black KAC 3T in exc/new condition

I think he would've mentioned it personally, in fact I'm pretty sure he said they confused the 3P with a rail.

It's possible. We'll have to let him clarify.

I just know someone in the know (was pretty sure it was CD, but I could surely be mistaken, as it was a while ago now) referenced 3Ps in the wild. I thought it was from that same group of rigs that created buzz from the photos with the SF Monster can and what not.

ETA - Regardless, I know at some point they have been referenced in here, and spotted in the wild.

Mind you, I don't even have a dog in this fight. I too would just drop the extra $200 for a 4P. That said, my newest CQBR upper that will soon be complete is getting the SOCOM brake treatment. It has a dedicated RC can for it, so that is the incredibly obvious route to go.

CD, come back to destroy the 3P mafia's hopes and dreams.

4P or no P.

That is the logical way to go Ryan.  Is anyone in here really running a SF FH 3/4P without the intent of going suppressed?

He said he's running a brake for dedicated suppressed. Meaning he would run a 4P if we would ever see the muzzle without a can on it

Well, a lot of people swap one or two cans between a bunch of different uppers. In those scenarios, I get why people still opt to run flash hiders.

For me, I have a dedicated can for every AR upper that I own. It makes brakes the obvious choice...with one exception...my CQBR that will be the dedicated host for my QDSS can is just getting an NT4 flash hider (I'm not interested in dropping serious coin on a used TT ).

ETA - MILSPEC nailed it.

I have not seen any mention to a 3P ever being used. The only time they get mentioned in use is when people try and claim them In the wild.

Musta been an Eotech

 

I pretty much have to stand out on the corner and suck cock to fund my multiple Clone projects as it is. I can't afford to spend $400.00 on a 4P. That an extra $200.00 I can spend on hormone shots and Nair. I mean um AMMO! Yeah ammo!
 

The can is a really nice option to have, it certainly adds to the versatility of a Mk 18 … but I think people really miss out when they setup a Mk 18 to run a can full time.

Cans are hard to get. They're somewhat expensive and they take a long time to purchase. So by the time we finally have one in our hands I think the tendancy is to think it should be run all the time because of cool factor or something. Same reason people run ELCANs on Mk 18s IMO… they're expensive and rare. But my hunch is, the real-life .mil users of these rifles tend to choose what gear to run based on their mission.

I personally far enjoy shooting my Mk 18 unsuppressed more than suppressed. For me, the whole purpose of the Mk 18 is to have a lightweight, compact, nimble and fast package that fires a rifle cartridge. When doing things like shoot houses, in/out of vehicles, running around with it, etc… its a far better package unsuppressed. It also means the gun runs a lot cleaner. These days about the only time I throw the can on is when shooting at night or when some other random situation comes up (like someone with me doesn't have ear pro).

I'm totally just guessing here, but my hunch is that cans are used far less with the users of these than we think … even though they presumably have unlimited access to them. And having spent years combing through countless photos and videos of these in various training and combat scenarios, it seems to support that … cans are rarely seen. It's something I'd love for CD or anyone else with a lot of experience with SF guys using these to comment on.

One of my favorite things is seeing YouTube/IG videos of people who have just built some Mk 18 clone with an ELCAN and Suppressor on it and they look like they're manipulating a bus lol. Super slow, obviously heavy - just totally the opposite of what I personally love about the Mk 18.

Personally I think the Mk 18 really shines in its versatility. Want to shoot at night? Its great for that with a can & laser. Want to reach out a bit? Throw a magnifier or ELCAN on it and you can. But the rest of the time you've got this super compact carbine that will fit just about anywhere and is extremely fast to shoot with an EOTech reticle, etc… So for me the can is just one more tool in the toolbox. Use the right tool for the job.

Obviously a lot of personal preference here … but based on that, for me, the 4P just makes sense and is worth it. It's clone correct (matters to me), works good unsuppressed which is when I do the majority of my shooting with it, and then when I do throw my can on it aligns with my blast baffle - which doesn't necessarily have any proven benefit, but seems like it was designed that way to me.

I can completely understand running a brake if you plan to never take the can off (no matter how silly I think that is). And I can completely understand running a 3P if you've got a SOCOM can but really need to save pennies. But the purpose of this thread is discussion around the .mil rifles and cloning them and neither are clones - up to each individual how much that matters. Personally, if I wasn't running a can at all, I think the KAC flash hider is the best option. It acts as a recoil compensator as well (whereas the Surefire does not), it's far shorter, looks badass, is cheaper than even the 3P, etc…

Guys,

SOCOM only uses 3 different Flash Hinders on its URG/Mk18/CQBR/M4s they are

SureFire FH556RC -1/2-28 (commonly referred to SF4P)
KAC NT4
A2

I have never installed yet alone seen a SF3P on any SOCOM gun or in theater period.



(last FH is for a Mk12 SPR)

and no I don't have any for sale.


CD

MILSPEC is winner winner chicken dinner!!

SF3P mafia took a major blow today. Sorry guys, shouldve got a 4P.

So there you have it!!!

All the non-can owners can just run an A2 and be done with it.

Thanks CD...well that settles it.  I have to run RC's on both my PR and B2 now so I don't get ostracized.