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Link Posted: 1/7/2017 9:48:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Those look better. The only reason I still use it is because I've had it forever and I've got a lot of stuff on there I like to use from time to time. Every time I use it, it's like someone put the brakes on the computer. So much garbage running in the background there.
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No kidding, I stopped using it altogether - I left my old stuff there, but have been using imgur with good results...

Minor changes to the BKII, swapped the cut down Socom to a Colt CQB 103"... I know it's only 4oz but it feels soooo much lighter lol...

Also trying out the dual switch - not sure that I really like it, since I only have the light, the extra wire just kinda gets in the way.  Plus it's not as simple and easy to use as the tapeswitch in the grip.  I just got tired of fussing with wires every time I wanted to take the grip off (to shoot off a bag, for instance).  I need to get one of those velcro deals or maybe just some zip ties for the wires I think... 

Link Posted: 1/7/2017 10:20:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Will816:

Your asking price isn't bad for what it is, might even be a great deal, but I've found that selling complete uppers, especially complete with accessories and painted to boot, is darn near impossible. I bet you could get $1200 or more if you parted it out, but it might not get any interest complete like that. Aside from lowball offers. I think cloners tend to build part by part, as budget allows, so finding the whole shebang put together like that might not appeal.

If you do part it out, I'd be interested in a few things
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Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Shameless Plug Dept. - Decided to go ahead and list the MK18 upper in the EE - Decided I don't need two :).  Would appreciate any price feedback from my fellow cloners - had no idea what to ask really.  

Your asking price isn't bad for what it is, might even be a great deal, but I've found that selling complete uppers, especially complete with accessories and painted to boot, is darn near impossible. I bet you could get $1200 or more if you parted it out, but it might not get any interest complete like that. Aside from lowball offers. I think cloners tend to build part by part, as budget allows, so finding the whole shebang put together like that might not appeal.

If you do part it out, I'd be interested in a few things

Yeah, looking that way.. oh well.  Upper is being parted out, I have relisted with everything broken apart.
Link Posted: 1/7/2017 10:27:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 78Staff:

No kidding, I stopped using it altogether - I left my old stuff there, but have been using imgur with good results...

Minor changes to the BKII, swapped the cut down Socom to a Colt CQB 103"... I know it's only 4oz but it feels soooo much lighter lol...

Also trying out the dual switch - not sure that I really like it, since I only have the light, the extra wire just kinda gets in the way.  Plus it's not as simple and easy to use as the tapeswitch in the grip.  I just got tired of fussing with wires every time I wanted to take the grip off (to shoot off a bag, for instance).  I need to get one of those velcro deals or maybe just some zip ties for the wires I think... 

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This will fix the unused cable issue

Dooooo it
Link Posted: 1/7/2017 11:51:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CYoung73:


This will fix the unused cable issue

Dooooo it
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lol I'd love to have one, but it really servers no purpose (except looking baddass :) if you don't have NODS right?
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 12:56:36 AM EDT
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First snow of 2017



Link Posted: 1/8/2017 12:56:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 78Staff:

lol I'd love to have one, but it really servers no purpose (except looking baddass :) if you don't have NODS right?
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Oh yeah it's a very expensive red laser with no NODs
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 10:15:53 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/8/2017 12:03:27 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/8/2017 12:07:19 PM EDT
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Dang... that's rad. This wins the thread today.
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 2:31:48 PM EDT
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So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 2:50:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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You might catch a little flak for a gen 2 sopmod, but no one would really care. The rest of your parts are no bueno.
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 2:54:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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Yeah so basically you are building a 10.5 SBR and nothing remotely close to a MK18.
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 3:23:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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Breakaway! Danger, danger, danger!
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 3:27:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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WTF, over. Not a Mk18/CQBR clone at all...
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 3:38:45 PM EDT
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Thats beautiful!!!

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Link Posted: 1/8/2017 4:36:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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If you want to build an actual MK18 clone, you're not gonna get it cheap.
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 5:12:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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Is this a joke?
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 5:53:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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Link Posted: 1/8/2017 6:04:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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LOL NO
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 6:51:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
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Hahahahahahaha!!!! Winning!
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 7:06:08 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/8/2017 7:18:37 PM EDT
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Who wants to discuss gas port size
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 4:06:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GeauxSouth86:

Is this a joke?
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!

Is this a joke?

Has to be... I think we are getting punked. lol
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 10:41:05 AM EDT
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Not my ad and don't know the seller... just thought someone here might want it.

DD MK18 Upper
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 10:48:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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As stated you won't get any flak on the stock, most Mk18 I ran across were already missing the sling mount.  The 10.5" bbl is acceptable as well and  a SF 3 prong.  All the other issues is what makes a Mk18.


CD
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 11:02:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


As stated you won't get any flak on the stock, most Mk18 I ran across were already missing the sling mount.  The 10.5" bbl is acceptable as well and  a SF 3 prong.  All the other issues is what makes a Mk18.


CD
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HERETIC!! BURN THE WITCH!


Link Posted: 1/9/2017 12:21:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
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Haha.. Coffee has been spewed!!
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 12:44:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
HERETIC!! BURN THE WITCH!


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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


As stated you won't get any flak on the stock, most Mk18 I ran across were already missing the sling mount.  The 10.5" bbl is acceptable as well and  a SF 3 prong.  All the other issues is what makes a Mk18.


CD
HERETIC!! BURN THE WITCH!




And we're off.


10.5's for the cheap guys

I will admit, the urge to chop is growing stronger.

Link Posted: 1/9/2017 12:47:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sbye:
Not my ad and don't know the seller... just thought someone here might want it.

DD MK18 Upper
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'bought the only way to to get a new RIS II these days unless running across one in EE by sheer chance - somebody grab it, pull the RIS II and flip the billboard upper and ginormous gas port barrel and the rest :).  Will probably come out ahead factoring in price of RIS II when you can find one.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 12:51:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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You'll be fine, except for the sling mounts, rail, barrel, buis, bcm parts and the optic.  Other than that you're good to go

  
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 1:56:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 78Staff:

'bought the only way to to get a new RIS II these days unless running across one in EE by sheer chance - somebody grab it, pull the RIS II and flip the billboard upper and ginormous gas port barrel and the rest :).  Will probably come out ahead factoring in price of RIS II when you can find one.
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or just buy that upper, krylon it like a man, and run it.  
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 4:24:27 PM EDT
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or just buy that upper, krylon it like a man, and run it.  
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Originally Posted By 78Staff:

'bought the only way to to get a new RIS II these days unless running across one in EE by sheer chance - somebody grab it, pull the RIS II and flip the billboard upper and ginormous gas port barrel and the rest :).  Will probably come out ahead factoring in price of RIS II when you can find one.


or just buy that upper, krylon it like a man, and run it.  

Let's get that gas port discussion going again lol...  
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 6:05:40 PM EDT
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So, I've decided to be more "responsible" and practical by getting an EXPS3-0 instead of a SU230.  Figured I could do a lot with the extra $1,500 I'd save.  Could put some of it towards an ATPIAL and some NV in the future.

I just have a quick question.  Is there a difference between the EXPS3-0 that I can find on Opticsplanet and those which are issued to the military?  In other words, is there a clone correct version of the optic (such as the SU230), or is it universal?
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 6:17:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/9/2017 6:23:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rloba:
So, I've decided to be more "responsible" and practical by getting an EXPS3-0 instead of a SU230.  Figured I could do a lot with the extra $1,500 I'd save.  Could put some of it towards an ATPIAL and some NV in the future.

I just have a quick question.  Is there a difference between the EXPS3-0 that I can find on Opticsplanet and those which are issued to the military?  In other words, is there a clone correct version of the optic (such as the SU230), or is it universal?
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The EXPS3-0 that you are looking at is the same as the issued version..........minus one detail.  It isn't going to have the laser etched SU number/wording on it......same as the SU-230 has laser etched wording that the commercial version Elcan doesn't
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 6:31:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stoner25mkiv:


The EXPS3-0 that you are looking at is the same as the issued version..........minus one detail.  It isn't going to have the laser etched SU number/wording on it......same as the SU-230 has laser etched wording that the commercial version Elcan doesn't
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Are the etched optics available for civilian use like the SU230 is?  If so, what could I expect to pay?
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 6:37:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aaron580:
So I'm now going to build a mk18 clone I believe but want to change just a couple of small things. First of all, I'd like to run a B5 sopmod instead of the gen1 since it's a bit cheaper, and it has qd cups, I like a qd sling better. Next goes for the cqd mounts. Are they necessary? Hk hooks are kinda annoying. And I'd like to run a larue carbine rail instead of the KAC or the RIS due to availability and sling mounts.

Other than that, planning on a 10.5" barrel with a, arms 41bl front and running bcm for most of the other parts! Sound like a solid mk18 clone?

Also for optic, how about a vcog? 1-6 like on the EOD Guns, just a tad different flavour!
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I feel bad for some of these guys. They get excited reading through the clone threads and decide they want to jump in and totally miss the mark, and then we kick the shit out of them.

Cloning is something you either get, or you don't.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 6:44:19 PM EDT
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Are the etched optics available for civilian use like the SU230 is?  If so, what could I expect to pay?
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They aren't sold to civilians, but they are out there. They are extremely rare though it seems. I can think of maybe one or two people in this thread that own one.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 6:53:20 PM EDT
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They aren't sold to civilians, but they are out there. They are extremely rare though it seems. I can think of maybe one or two people in this thread that own one.
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Wow, okay.  Regular ol' EXPS3-0 it is then
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 7:05:20 PM EDT
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They aren't sold to civilians, but they are out there. They are extremely rare though it seems. I can think of maybe one or two people in this thread that own one.
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Finding a SU-231 is tough nowadays. Finding a SU-231a is nearly impossible.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 7:31:58 PM EDT
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Finding a SU-231 is tough nowadays. Finding a SU-231a is nearly impossible.
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Link Posted: 1/9/2017 8:06:48 PM EDT
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None of the MARSOC EXPSs I've seen in pics have the SU-231A markings.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 8:26:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Will816:

I feel bad for some of these guys. They get excited reading through the clone threads and decide they want to jump in and totally miss the mark, and then we kick the shit out of them.

Cloning is something you either get, or you don't.
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WHO WANTS TO TALK GAS PORT SIZE???



I am observing for future builds....
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 8:45:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stoner25mkiv:


The EXPS3-0 that you are looking at is the same as the issued version..........minus one detail.  It isn't going to have the laser etched SU number/wording on it......same as the SU-230 has laser etched wording that the commercial version Elcan doesn't
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If I remember correctly this isn't true. I think the 231 and 231a have a deeper water proof rating and go through different testing from EOTech. I also remember reading years back that 553s with 231 markings aren't real 231s, they're just 553s using a 231 baseplate. You can tell a real .mil 231 because it won't have any L3 or EOTech markings, just like the 231a.

And yes, as someone as rightly already pointed out, almost all pics of MARSOC using the series it's just a regular EXPS whereas ARMY pics are almost always 231as.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 8:47:50 PM EDT
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I have a black one but have never been able to snag a tan one

Someone sell me a tan one

Link Posted: 1/9/2017 9:44:22 PM EDT
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Hey Mk18 crew!

Wanted to ask about the "correctness" of a couple items. I doubt my build will ever actually achieve perfect clone status, but I'm trying to keep it somewhat authentic. Asking about the below items, and how "close" they are to being correct or seen/used in the field.

X300 with or without pressure switch kit
AXTS raptor charging handle
Black KAC front sight
Aimpoint T1

Thanks for the help! Hopefully post some pics up soon.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 9:59:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Virginia_Shooter:
Hey Mk18 crew!

Wanted to ask about the "correctness" of a couple items. I doubt my build will ever actually achieve perfect clone status, but I'm trying to keep it somewhat authentic. Asking about the below items, and how "close" they are to being correct or seen/used in the field.

X300 with or without pressure switch kit
AXTS raptor charging handle
Black KAC front sight
Aimpoint T1

Thanks for the help! Hopefully post some pics up soon.
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Not sure on the others, but a few pages back there was a post of in-service MK18's with Raptor CH's.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 10:00:25 PM EDT
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Dirty Vans. Dolla Bill, and a CQBR.....suppressor not shown... its a work in progress
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 10:08:25 PM EDT
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Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.  You can't be grinding them finger bumps off and still be clone correct.    Just teasing.  Very nice.  I've never seen brown Vans before.  In fact, I haven't seen too many people wearing Vans at all.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 10:30:11 PM EDT
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Haha they are the all weather leather Vans

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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.  You can't be grinding them finger bumps off and still be clone correct.    Just teasing.  Very nice.  I've never seen brown Vans before.  In fact, I haven't seen too many people wearing Vans at all.
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