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Posted: 8/25/2016 4:10:44 PM EDT
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That is an ARMS 36. Different rail.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 4:39:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I think I paid $16 and change. Any idea what velocities are like with that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
im really liking Hornady 75gr match bthp. $15/100 retail. pretty much perform like my sierra otm with a WAY beefier and uniform tip. sub moa at 100 as usual. i use same dopes for steel at the 77gr sierras as well. same load. same oal. only thing i had to do was adjust set depth for bullet shape to hit my same oal. they are my go to "cheap match" load. 23.2gr of xbr 8208. cci br4 primers. random brass. WOA 1/7. runs great. Any idea what velocities are like with that? That's my exact load except for the projectile. I get 2750 fps so I would imagine it would be around that +/- 50fps. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 7:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: That's my exact load except for the projectile. I get 2750 fps so I would imagine it would be around that +/- 50fps. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: im really liking Hornady 75gr match bthp. $15/100 retail. pretty much perform like my sierra otm with a WAY beefier and uniform tip. sub moa at 100 as usual. i use same dopes for steel at the 77gr sierras as well. same load. same oal. only thing i had to do was adjust set depth for bullet shape to hit my same oal. they are my go to "cheap match" load. 23.2gr of xbr 8208. cci br4 primers. random brass. WOA 1/7. runs great. Any idea what velocities are like with that? That's my exact load except for the projectile. I get 2750 fps so I would imagine it would be around that +/- 50fps. no idea. im guessing the 2700's. no overpressure signs either. i have run it for over a year and after i got my press i kept the load going myself. and that load just did this. 3 shots. 100yds. prone, rear bagged.  |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 7:16:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:01:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenGoose: I realize that this won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I had a buddy Cerakote my Mod 0. I just couldn't bring myself to take a rattle-can to it. I like the way it turned out and think others will too. http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%203_zpsitgw2ugb.jpg http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%206_zpsmp4zx8sd.jpg If it satisfies you, GG, let it be so.  |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenGoose: I realize that this won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I had a buddy Cerakote my Mod 0. I just couldn't bring myself to take a rattle-can to it. I like the way it turned out and think others will too. http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%203_zpsitgw2ugb.jpg http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%206_zpsmp4zx8sd |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:08:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenGoose: I realize that this won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I had a buddy Cerakote my Mod 0. I just couldn't bring myself to take a rattle-can to it. I like the way it turned out and think others will too. http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%203_zpsitgw2ugb.jpg http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%206_zpsmp4zx8sd.jpg |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:34:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenGoose:
I realize that this won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I had a buddy Cerakote my Mod 0. I just couldn't bring myself to take a rattle-can to it. I like the way it turned out and think others will too. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/GreenGoose/media/Camo%20MK12%203_zpsitgw2ugb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%203_zpsitgw2ugb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/GreenGoose/media/Camo%20MK12%206_zpsmp4zx8sd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y396/GreenGoose/Camo%20MK12%206_zpsmp4zx8sd.jpg</a> Damn that came out nice! Love the color combo there, and who cares if its not everyone's cup of tea, as long as its clone correct i welcome the variation in coatings done to these rifles, makes them more unique and i love seeing how everyone paints theirs differently  . I actually just finished having mine cerakoted today, as the upper/lower i used were already done i figured might as well make the whole thing match 
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_MONEY:
Here are some pics of my Mod 1, as promised. Just needs to be rattle-canned and then the Form 4 needs to be approved so I can pick up my AEM5. I just started the Mod H build today and I still have some parts coming to complete it. Anyway, here are the pics: Mod 1: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg</a> Preparing the Mod H Build: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg</a> The Mod 1 and Mod H. Still waiting on the PRI Recce Rail, ARMS rings, Ops Inc Brake/Collar, and I have to take my Leupold 3.5-10 off another rifle for the Mod H: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg</a> I don't post very often, but this is my favorite thread on ARFCOM and the only one I follow daily. I want to thank everyone for their wealth of knowledge and helpfulness! Without this thread, I never would have been motivated to go full retard on these builds  Those are coming together nicely, you guys are making me want to build a mod h now... |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 10:09:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:
Those are coming together nicely, you guys are making me want to build a mod h now... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:
Originally Posted By J_MONEY:
Here are some pics of my Mod 1, as promised. Just needs to be rattle-canned and then the Form 4 needs to be approved so I can pick up my AEM5. I just started the Mod H build today and I still have some parts coming to complete it. Anyway, here are the pics: Mod 1: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg</a> Preparing the Mod H Build: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg</a> The Mod 1 and Mod H. Still waiting on the PRI Recce Rail, ARMS rings, Ops Inc Brake/Collar, and I have to take my Leupold 3.5-10 off another rifle for the Mod H: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg</a> I don't post very often, but this is my favorite thread on ARFCOM and the only one I follow daily. I want to thank everyone for their wealth of knowledge and helpfulness! Without this thread, I never would have been motivated to go full retard on these builds Those are coming together nicely, you guys are making me want to build a mod h now... Do it 
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Posted: 8/25/2016 10:25:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: no idea. im guessing the 2700's. no overpressure signs either. i have run it for over a year and after i got my press i kept the load going myself. and that load just did this. 3 shots. 100yds. prone, rear bagged. https://s12.postimg.org/aw5xtc7x9/20160825_184058.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By chenault: That's my exact load except for the projectile. I get 2750 fps so I would imagine it would be around that +/- 50fps. no idea. im guessing the 2700's. no overpressure signs either. i have run it for over a year and after i got my press i kept the load going myself. and that load just did this. 3 shots. 100yds. prone, rear bagged. https://s12.postimg.org/aw5xtc7x9/20160825_184058.jpg |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 10:55:38 PM EDT
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dont build one. you wont ever want to shoot the other ones again.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 12:30:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mxdgood84:
Do it http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Scatmanc2727/4-25-13/D4DF6E2C-1F07-4128-86FC-5C4486DDFB5D_zpsdyu9bgn8.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mxdgood84:
Originally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:
Originally Posted By J_MONEY:
Here are some pics of my Mod 1, as promised. Just needs to be rattle-canned and then the Form 4 needs to be approved so I can pick up my AEM5. I just started the Mod H build today and I still have some parts coming to complete it. Anyway, here are the pics: Mod 1: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg</a> Preparing the Mod H Build: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg</a> The Mod 1 and Mod H. Still waiting on the PRI Recce Rail, ARMS rings, Ops Inc Brake/Collar, and I have to take my Leupold 3.5-10 off another rifle for the Mod H: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg</a> I don't post very often, but this is my favorite thread on ARFCOM and the only one I follow daily. I want to thank everyone for their wealth of knowledge and helpfulness! Without this thread, I never would have been motivated to go full retard on these builds Those are coming together nicely, you guys are making me want to build a mod h now... Do it http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Scatmanc2727/4-25-13/D4DF6E2C-1F07-4128-86FC-5C4486DDFB5D_zpsdyu9bgn8.jpg What height rings are on your H? Are they working for you at that height? |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 1:51:25 AM EDT
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They are Nightforce A104 rings.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 2:19:32 AM EDT
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Anyone wanna trade their RECCE rail for a painted LT-104??
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Posted: 8/26/2016 2:38:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
dont build one. you wont ever want to shoot the other ones again. http://i68.tinypic.com/iwnb80.jpg I shall officially counter with "Not when the other one is a wheel-FSB early rifle"
And with that, shall we begin my AAR for the day? Yes, I think we shall. Pull up a seat doods.  The Fam by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr
Things I did today: 1) Zeroed the Leupold on the SPR 2) Zeroed the Bushnell on the Mod H Bastard in the LaRue SPR-S mount 3) Zeroed the 12.5" bastard CQBR and verified POA/POI @ 50 and 250 with IMI 4) Collected dope for the SPR with the M3 knobs Main things that were discovered today: 1) I still suck at calling/adjusting for wind 2) I still suck at making tiny groups @ 100 3) I still can't seem to get the parallax/focus correct for either scope @ 100 or elsewhere for that matter 4) IMI RazorCore really is FAST. Faster than CBC. 5) 168gr Leupold M3 knobs do not match Mk262 anywhere close. I think I need 150/147gr turret? (for the old .308 ~ 77gr close saying) 6) As the guy from Box O' Truth always says, "Shooting stuff is still fun" 
The Leupold @ the SPR:  SPR/Mk12 Mod 0 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr
So, with Shane's old VX-III mounted, I went ahead and zeroed. Ultimately, I found myself either over or under by something like .5 MOA. I settled on .5 MOA high for now, I figure maybe that will help since in the future it will be cooler, and that might affect my collected dope. In any case, the scope is nice and clear, at 10x the FOV was good, clear picture, no issues at all at 750 with it. I basically learned today that going backwards is hard. I've had it easy with the Mil/Mil Bushnell. What I'm going to have to do now is obviously learn the Inches/MOA conversion rule and practice it to adjust my dope, and practice holds for wind. On the Mod H at 750, I fucked myself up by trying to dial and then hold. I found on the SPR after that just holding worked better and paid more attention to the wind streamer. When I did that, this happened: please bear with me or wait if you got shaky cam sickness, or hate people talking in the background. I think I was 15/20. 
The Mod H Bastard:  Mod H Bastard by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr
I need a match trigger in this lower, or whenever I do get an A1 for the SPR have the MOD H get the LMT lower full time with SSA-E. The ACT is great for a combat trigger, less so shooting plates at 600+ Next time, I need to actually collect proper, real-world dope results for this rifle. CQBR Bastard: Y'all don't care about that here but I still like that rifle, shot it a wee bit and got my irons and shitty Burris red dot zeroed for 50/250 POA=POI. I want an AEM2 for that thing. The Dope, and IMI RazorCore: This stuff is COOKING. It's faster than the CBC which I was guesstimating 2775 to 2800 before, and the IMI impacts were generally high using my CBC's numbers. Wasn't seeming to trade accuracy, but then again I suck at groups... Here's what I ended up with for real world dope with IMI and the Leupold: IMI Razor Core 77gr 5.56 OTM 100: Zero'd ~1/2-3/4 MOA high 250: 2 MOA 500: 8 MOA 600 YD: 11 MOA 600M: 15 MOA 750: 20 MOA Guys, this shit had to have been well north of 2800 FPS based on the temperature outside and impacts being higher than what Strelok gave me with 2775 and 2800 as MV values. So, you'll notice the SOPMOD is on the SPR. It's definitely better for shooting groups and shit. For sexy power, sometimes the CAR is just right. Ultimately, I'm going A1 I think when I get an A1 lower in. I'll let the Holland Bastard be handy and compact. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 4:33:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: I shall officially counter with "Not when the other one is a wheel-FSB early rifle" And with that, shall we begin my AAR for the day? Yes, I think we shall. Pull up a seat doods. https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8693/29159462811_69f108be8b_k.jpgThe Fam by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Things I did today: 1) Zeroed the Leupold on the SPR 2) Zeroed the Bushnell on the Mod H Bastard in the LaRue SPR-S mount 3) Zeroed the 12.5" bastard CQBR and verified POA/POI @ 50 and 250 with IMI 4) Collected dope for the SPR with the M3 knobs Main things that were discovered today: 1) I still suck at calling/adjusting for wind 2) I still suck at making tiny groups @ 100 3) I still can't seem to get the parallax/focus correct for either scope @ 100 or elsewhere for that matter 4) IMI RazorCore really is FAST. Faster than CBC. 5) 168gr Leupold M3 knobs do not match Mk262 anywhere close. I think I need 150/147gr turret? (for the old .308 ~ 77gr close saying) 6) As the guy from Box O' Truth always says, "Shooting stuff is still fun" The Leupold @ the SPR: https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7502/28615072034_f45ea0348e_k.jpgSPR/Mk12 Mod 0 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr So, with Shane's old VX-III mounted, I went ahead and zeroed. Ultimately, I found myself either over or under by something like .5 MOA. I settled on .5 MOA high for now, I figure maybe that will help since in the future it will be cooler, and that might affect my collected dope. In any case, the scope is nice and clear, at 10x the FOV was good, clear picture, no issues at all at 750 with it. I basically learned today that going backwards is hard. I've had it easy with the Mil/Mil Bushnell. What I'm going to have to do now is obviously learn the Inches/MOA conversion rule and practice it to adjust my dope, and practice holds for wind. On the Mod H at 750, I fucked myself up by trying to dial and then hold. I found on the SPR after that just holding worked better and paid more attention to the wind streamer. When I did that, this happened: please bear with me or wait if you got shaky cam sickness, or hate people talking in the background. I think I was 15/20.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvsRkONLYgThe Mod H Bastard: https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8331/29159463891_adf8564627_k.jpgMod H Bastard by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr I need a match trigger in this lower, or whenever I do get an A1 for the SPR have the MOD H get the LMT lower full time with SSA-E. The ACT is great for a combat trigger, less so shooting plates at 600+ Next time, I need to actually collect proper, real-world dope results for this rifle. CQBR Bastard: Y'all don't care about that here but I still like that rifle, shot it a wee bit and got my irons and shitty Burris red dot zeroed for 50/250 POA=POI. I want an AEM2 for that thing. The Dope, and IMI RazorCore: This stuff is COOKING. It's faster than the CBC which I was guesstimating 2775 to 2800 before, and the IMI impacts were generally high using my CBC's numbers. Wasn't seeming to trade accuracy, but then again I suck at groups... Here's what I ended up with for real world dope with IMI and the Leupold: IMI Razor Core 77gr 5.56 OTM 100: Zero'd ~1/2-3/4 MOA high 250: 2 MOA 500: 8 MOA 600 YD: 11 MOA 600M: 15 MOA 750: 20 MOA Guys, this shit had to have been well north of 2800 FPS based on the temperature outside and impacts being higher than what Strelok gave me with 2775 and 2800 as MV values. So, you'll notice the SOPMOD is on the SPR. It's definitely better for shooting groups and shit. For sexy power, sometimes the CAR is just right. Ultimately, I'm going A1 I think when I get an A1 lower in. I'll let the Holland Bastard be handy and compact. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: dont build one. you wont ever want to shoot the other ones again. http://i68.tinypic.com/iwnb80.jpg I shall officially counter with "Not when the other one is a wheel-FSB early rifle" And with that, shall we begin my AAR for the day? Yes, I think we shall. Pull up a seat doods. https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8693/29159462811_69f108be8b_k.jpgThe Fam by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Things I did today: 1) Zeroed the Leupold on the SPR 2) Zeroed the Bushnell on the Mod H Bastard in the LaRue SPR-S mount 3) Zeroed the 12.5" bastard CQBR and verified POA/POI @ 50 and 250 with IMI 4) Collected dope for the SPR with the M3 knobs Main things that were discovered today: 1) I still suck at calling/adjusting for wind 2) I still suck at making tiny groups @ 100 3) I still can't seem to get the parallax/focus correct for either scope @ 100 or elsewhere for that matter 4) IMI RazorCore really is FAST. Faster than CBC. 5) 168gr Leupold M3 knobs do not match Mk262 anywhere close. I think I need 150/147gr turret? (for the old .308 ~ 77gr close saying) 6) As the guy from Box O' Truth always says, "Shooting stuff is still fun" The Leupold @ the SPR: https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7502/28615072034_f45ea0348e_k.jpgSPR/Mk12 Mod 0 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr So, with Shane's old VX-III mounted, I went ahead and zeroed. Ultimately, I found myself either over or under by something like .5 MOA. I settled on .5 MOA high for now, I figure maybe that will help since in the future it will be cooler, and that might affect my collected dope. In any case, the scope is nice and clear, at 10x the FOV was good, clear picture, no issues at all at 750 with it. I basically learned today that going backwards is hard. I've had it easy with the Mil/Mil Bushnell. What I'm going to have to do now is obviously learn the Inches/MOA conversion rule and practice it to adjust my dope, and practice holds for wind. On the Mod H at 750, I fucked myself up by trying to dial and then hold. I found on the SPR after that just holding worked better and paid more attention to the wind streamer. When I did that, this happened: please bear with me or wait if you got shaky cam sickness, or hate people talking in the background. I think I was 15/20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvsRkONLYgThe Mod H Bastard: https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8331/29159463891_adf8564627_k.jpgMod H Bastard by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr I need a match trigger in this lower, or whenever I do get an A1 for the SPR have the MOD H get the LMT lower full time with SSA-E. The ACT is great for a combat trigger, less so shooting plates at 600+ Next time, I need to actually collect proper, real-world dope results for this rifle. CQBR Bastard: Y'all don't care about that here but I still like that rifle, shot it a wee bit and got my irons and shitty Burris red dot zeroed for 50/250 POA=POI. I want an AEM2 for that thing. The Dope, and IMI RazorCore: This stuff is COOKING. It's faster than the CBC which I was guesstimating 2775 to 2800 before, and the IMI impacts were generally high using my CBC's numbers. Wasn't seeming to trade accuracy, but then again I suck at groups... Here's what I ended up with for real world dope with IMI and the Leupold: IMI Razor Core 77gr 5.56 OTM 100: Zero'd ~1/2-3/4 MOA high 250: 2 MOA 500: 8 MOA 600 YD: 11 MOA 600M: 15 MOA 750: 20 MOA Guys, this shit had to have been well north of 2800 FPS based on the temperature outside and impacts being higher than what Strelok gave me with 2775 and 2800 as MV values. So, you'll notice the SOPMOD is on the SPR. It's definitely better for shooting groups and shit. For sexy power, sometimes the CAR is just right. Ultimately, I'm going A1 I think when I get an A1 lower in. I'll let the Holland Bastard be handy and compact. Sounds like a fun, productive day :). I look forward to stretching mine in a similar vein once I can get on a range longer than 200  I swapped back from the A2 to A1 on the mod1 - something about the A1 just feels right. Also flipped back to the ITW-kosher LT104 until I can find some no-hump 22H's...  Edit, just noticed I need to paint that little 2-rib lol |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:04:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mxdgood84]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg:
What height rings are on your H? Are they working for you at that height? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg:
Originally Posted By mxdgood84:
Originally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:
Originally Posted By J_MONEY:
Here are some pics of my Mod 1, as promised. Just needs to be rattle-canned and then the Form 4 needs to be approved so I can pick up my AEM5. I just started the Mod H build today and I still have some parts coming to complete it. Anyway, here are the pics: Mod 1: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160852_zps827nah9g.jpg</a> Preparing the Mod H Build: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_123351_zpsy37j3nah.jpg</a> The Mod 1 and Mod H. Still waiting on the PRI Recce Rail, ARMS rings, Ops Inc Brake/Collar, and I have to take my Leupold 3.5-10 off another rifle for the Mod H: <a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/user/Waterburly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Waterburly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160825_160958_zpspwuwpvff.jpg</a> I don't post very often, but this is my favorite thread on ARFCOM and the only one I follow daily. I want to thank everyone for their wealth of knowledge and helpfulness! Without this thread, I never would have been motivated to go full retard on these builds Those are coming together nicely, you guys are making me want to build a mod h now... Do it http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Scatmanc2727/4-25-13/D4DF6E2C-1F07-4128-86FC-5C4486DDFB5D_zpsdyu9bgn8.jpg What height rings are on your H? Are they working for you at that height? They're arms 22 low rings that are .925" to center. It would probably be ideal for me if they were .95" but I still prefer the lows over the mediums to go on top of the recce rail. One of the more comfortable setups I own. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:30:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Looks good to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By chenault:
That's my exact load except for the projectile. I get 2750 fps so I would imagine it would be around that +/- 50fps. no idea. im guessing the 2700's. no overpressure signs either. i have run it for over a year and after i got my press i kept the load going myself. and that load just did this. 3 shots. 100yds. prone, rear bagged. https://s12.postimg.org/aw5xtc7x9/20160825_184058.jpg A BCM barrel and a set of nls rings showed up yesterday. I am so close. I've got a PRI Reece rail on the way along with a gen 1 ace stock. The things I'm missing are readily available at this point. I have a black PRI tube for the holland just because I had it but I think I'm going to order the FDE one instead of painting or coating this black one. I still need a couple brakes, gas busters and the FDE tube. If anyone has any of those things that they don't need I'll ask here first before ordering from PRI. I still have not found out the difference in the PRI brakes vs the adco brakes besides price. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 1:34:29 PM EDT
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There is an A1 stock for sale in the EE pretty cheap. A little chip on the body but comes with tube,spring,buffer.
Not related to the seller. Just giving a heads up. I almost bought it myself except I have more than I need. Anderson sells the cheapest buffer,tube and spring kit for about 45.00. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 1:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
I shall officially counter with "Not when the other one is a wheel-FSB early rifle"
And with that, shall we begin my AAR for the day? Yes, I think we shall. Pull up a seat doods. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/LqHSoP" target="_blank">https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8693/29159462811_69f108be8b_k.jpg</a>The Fam by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Things I did today: 1) Zeroed the Leupold on the SPR 2) Zeroed the Bushnell on the Mod H Bastard in the LaRue SPR-S mount 3) Zeroed the 12.5" bastard CQBR and verified POA/POI @ 50 and 250 with IMI 4) Collected dope for the SPR with the M3 knobs Main things that were discovered today: 1) I still suck at calling/adjusting for wind 2) I still suck at making tiny groups @ 100 3) I still can't seem to get the parallax/focus correct for either scope @ 100 or elsewhere for that matter 4) IMI RazorCore really is FAST. Faster than CBC. 5) 168gr Leupold M3 knobs do not match Mk262 anywhere close. I think I need 150/147gr turret? (for the old .308 ~ 77gr close saying) 6) As the guy from Box O' Truth always says, "Shooting stuff is still fun"
The Leupold @ the SPR: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/KABHYW" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7502/28615072034_f45ea0348e_k.jpg</a>SPR/Mk12 Mod 0 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr So, with Shane's old VX-III mounted, I went ahead and zeroed. Ultimately, I found myself either over or under by something like .5 MOA. I settled on .5 MOA high for now, I figure maybe that will help since in the future it will be cooler, and that might affect my collected dope. In any case, the scope is nice and clear, at 10x the FOV was good, clear picture, no issues at all at 750 with it. I basically learned today that going backwards is hard. I've had it easy with the Mil/Mil Bushnell. What I'm going to have to do now is obviously learn the Inches/MOA conversion rule and practice it to adjust my dope, and practice holds for wind. On the Mod H at 750, I fucked myself up by trying to dial and then hold. I found on the SPR after that just holding worked better and paid more attention to the wind streamer. When I did that, this happened: please bear with me or wait if you got shaky cam sickness, or hate people talking in the background. I think I was 15/20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvsRkONLYg
The Mod H Bastard: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/LqHSHr" target="_blank">https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8331/29159463891_adf8564627_k.jpg</a>Mod H Bastard by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr I need a match trigger in this lower, or whenever I do get an A1 for the SPR have the MOD H get the LMT lower full time with SSA-E. The ACT is great for a combat trigger, less so shooting plates at 600+ Next time, I need to actually collect proper, real-world dope results for this rifle. CQBR Bastard: Y'all don't care about that here but I still like that rifle, shot it a wee bit and got my irons and shitty Burris red dot zeroed for 50/250 POA=POI. I want an AEM2 for that thing. The Dope, and IMI RazorCore: This stuff is COOKING. It's faster than the CBC which I was guesstimating 2775 to 2800 before, and the IMI impacts were generally high using my CBC's numbers. Wasn't seeming to trade accuracy, but then again I suck at groups... Here's what I ended up with for real world dope with IMI and the Leupold: IMI Razor Core 77gr 5.56 OTM 100: Zero'd ~1/2-3/4 MOA high 250: 2 MOA 500: 8 MOA 600 YD: 11 MOA 600M: 15 MOA 750: 20 MOA Guys, this shit had to have been well north of 2800 FPS based on the temperature outside and impacts being higher than what Strelok gave me with 2775 and 2800 as MV values. So, you'll notice the SOPMOD is on the SPR. It's definitely better for shooting groups and shit. For sexy power, sometimes the CAR is just right. Ultimately, I'm going A1 I think when I get an A1 lower in. I'll let the Holland Bastard be handy and compact. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
dont build one. you wont ever want to shoot the other ones again. http://i68.tinypic.com/iwnb80.jpg I shall officially counter with "Not when the other one is a wheel-FSB early rifle"
And with that, shall we begin my AAR for the day? Yes, I think we shall. Pull up a seat doods. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/LqHSoP" target="_blank">https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8693/29159462811_69f108be8b_k.jpg</a>The Fam by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Things I did today: 1) Zeroed the Leupold on the SPR 2) Zeroed the Bushnell on the Mod H Bastard in the LaRue SPR-S mount 3) Zeroed the 12.5" bastard CQBR and verified POA/POI @ 50 and 250 with IMI 4) Collected dope for the SPR with the M3 knobs Main things that were discovered today: 1) I still suck at calling/adjusting for wind 2) I still suck at making tiny groups @ 100 3) I still can't seem to get the parallax/focus correct for either scope @ 100 or elsewhere for that matter 4) IMI RazorCore really is FAST. Faster than CBC. 5) 168gr Leupold M3 knobs do not match Mk262 anywhere close. I think I need 150/147gr turret? (for the old .308 ~ 77gr close saying) 6) As the guy from Box O' Truth always says, "Shooting stuff is still fun"
The Leupold @ the SPR: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/KABHYW" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7502/28615072034_f45ea0348e_k.jpg</a>SPR/Mk12 Mod 0 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr So, with Shane's old VX-III mounted, I went ahead and zeroed. Ultimately, I found myself either over or under by something like .5 MOA. I settled on .5 MOA high for now, I figure maybe that will help since in the future it will be cooler, and that might affect my collected dope. In any case, the scope is nice and clear, at 10x the FOV was good, clear picture, no issues at all at 750 with it. I basically learned today that going backwards is hard. I've had it easy with the Mil/Mil Bushnell. What I'm going to have to do now is obviously learn the Inches/MOA conversion rule and practice it to adjust my dope, and practice holds for wind. On the Mod H at 750, I fucked myself up by trying to dial and then hold. I found on the SPR after that just holding worked better and paid more attention to the wind streamer. When I did that, this happened: please bear with me or wait if you got shaky cam sickness, or hate people talking in the background. I think I was 15/20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvsRkONLYg
The Mod H Bastard: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/LqHSHr" target="_blank">https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8331/29159463891_adf8564627_k.jpg</a>Mod H Bastard by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr I need a match trigger in this lower, or whenever I do get an A1 for the SPR have the MOD H get the LMT lower full time with SSA-E. The ACT is great for a combat trigger, less so shooting plates at 600+ Next time, I need to actually collect proper, real-world dope results for this rifle. CQBR Bastard: Y'all don't care about that here but I still like that rifle, shot it a wee bit and got my irons and shitty Burris red dot zeroed for 50/250 POA=POI. I want an AEM2 for that thing. The Dope, and IMI RazorCore: This stuff is COOKING. It's faster than the CBC which I was guesstimating 2775 to 2800 before, and the IMI impacts were generally high using my CBC's numbers. Wasn't seeming to trade accuracy, but then again I suck at groups... Here's what I ended up with for real world dope with IMI and the Leupold: IMI Razor Core 77gr 5.56 OTM 100: Zero'd ~1/2-3/4 MOA high 250: 2 MOA 500: 8 MOA 600 YD: 11 MOA 600M: 15 MOA 750: 20 MOA Guys, this shit had to have been well north of 2800 FPS based on the temperature outside and impacts being higher than what Strelok gave me with 2775 and 2800 as MV values. So, you'll notice the SOPMOD is on the SPR. It's definitely better for shooting groups and shit. For sexy power, sometimes the CAR is just right. Ultimately, I'm going A1 I think when I get an A1 lower in. I'll let the Holland Bastard be handy and compact. Great post! Great guns!! I watched the video. Once you got dialed in you were nailing it consistently. Thanks for sharing. A couple of quesitons, you said you were "just holding" What was your zero on the gun that you were holding over with? And do you have a mil dot reticle? Or not. Also, sort of an off topic question, how do you like that Burris RDS? It looks like the old Tasco that used to be out there that some said was somewhat decent. I'm just curious for the budget minded. I don't even know what burris that is though. Looks like maybe you've had it a while? |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 2:36:23 PM EDT
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This post better not shove me to the first post on the next page...think my last 2-3 posts did that.
I've been looking at the S&B Short Dots, mainly the 1-8x24mm with the "dual" reticle that's 2nd focal plane. It's the version with Leupold MK4 type illumination (center crosshairs) but when going down to 1x, it turns into a true parallax free red dot sight. This model.... Schmidt & Bender 1-8x24 Short Dot "Dual" The only problem I have is the reticle is thin with hollow wider sections. I've used S&B scopes with similar reticles and it can be difficult to pick up sometimes. Now for some reason I've completely missed the 1.1-8x24 PM II High Power since it's not listed with the Short Dot scopes. It's very similar to a Leupold CQBSS 1.1-8 so I'm assuming this was S&B's attempt to win the mil contract. It's 1st focal plane like the CQBSS too. Schmidt & Bender 1.1-8x24 "High Power" This scope has an illuminated horseshoe setup similar to the CQBSS which to me is a winner. Plus it has ranging marks for what I assume is 7.62. 
I just can't find any info on this scope anywhere. No magazine reviews, forum reviews, no youtube reviews, nothing. I've sent emails off to S&B but never hear back. -Anyone have experience with the "1.1-8x24 High Power"? -If the reticle range marks are indeed for 7.62, will a 16" barrel firing heavier MK262 rounds even come close to those marks? I'm assuming the heavier bullets will be a decent match. -Anyone know the reasoning why S&B does 1.1x as the lowest setting on the High Power compared to 1x on the Dual model? Is it because the High Power is 1st Focal Plane and the Dual is 2nd Focal? I know the CQBSS stops at 1.1x too. Don't get me wrong, a 2nd focal plane 1-8x scope is perfectly fine..trying to use a reticle to range at lower power is almost impossible. Thanks |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 3:03:49 PM EDT
[#24]
Check out this dudes passion and attention to detail. He'd fit right in here. A true artist.
http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/forum/sixth-scale-action-figure-news-reviews-discussion/819012-custom-mk-12-mod-h-holland-spr-rifle.html 
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Posted: 8/26/2016 4:22:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori:
This post better not shove me to the first post on the next page...think my last 2-3 posts did that. I've been looking at the S&B Short Dots, mainly the 1-8x24mm with the "dual" reticle that's 2nd focal plane. It's the version with Leupold MK4 type illumination (center crosshairs) but when going down to 1x, it turns into a true parallax free red dot sight. This model.... Schmidt & Bender 1-8x24 Short Dot "Dual" The only problem I have is the reticle is thin with hollow wider sections. I've used S&B scopes with similar reticles and it can be difficult to pick up sometimes. Now for some reason I've completely missed the 1.1-8x24 PM II High Power since it's not listed with the Short Dot scopes. It's very similar to a Leupold CQBSS 1.1-8 so I'm assuming this was S&B's attempt to win the mil contract. It's 1st focal plane like the CQBSS too. Schmidt & Bender 1.1-8x24 "High Power" This scope has an illuminated horseshoe setup similar to the CQBSS which to me is a winner. Plus it has ranging marks for what I assume is 7.62. http://www.schmidtundbender.de/images/stories/absehen/absehen-horseshoe.jpg I just can't find any info on this scope anywhere. No magazine reviews, forum reviews, no youtube reviews, nothing. I've sent emails off to S&B but never hear back. -Anyone have experience with the "1.1-8x24 High Power"? -If the reticle range marks are indeed for 7.62, will a 16" barrel firing heavier MK262 rounds even come close to those marks? I'm assuming the heavier bullets will be a decent match. -Anyone know the reasoning why S&B does 1.1x as the lowest setting on the High Power compared to 1x on the Dual model? Is it because the High Power is 1st Focal Plane and the Dual is 2nd Focal? I know the CQBSS stops at 1.1x too. Don't get me wrong, a 2nd focal plane 1-8x scope is perfectly fine..trying to use a reticle to range at lower power is almost impossible. Thanks It sounds like you already have your mind made up and no matter what someone suggests you'll still seek out the "best" … but as someone who was in your shoes 6 months ago I'd really recommend staying away from the S&B 1-8 series. Their price just does not justify what they do. You probably haven't found anything about the High Power because probably nobody has it yet. And the reason they don't list it as 1x is because it probably lacks the "CC" switch that the short dot has to bring it over into 1x. I too was seeking out the best of the best low power variable a few months ago and ended up with the Kahles 1-6, mostly because they were available and even at $2200 still came in $1500 cheaper than the S&B. The field of view was quite a bit bigger than the S&B and it was crazy lighter. But even with all that, I was still disappointed. The 6x-8x range is just not quite there for what the Mk 12 can do and with he suppressor on, most people rarely ever shoot the Mk 12 "fast" 3 gun style where a low power variable would really shine. You're going to end up with a scope that's super heavy, pretty expensive and doesn't really offer anything over what other setups have. I ended up throwing a 3.5-10 Mk 4 on mine which has sufficiently quality glass and enough mag range to cover out to 800yd shots. Added a 45 degree offset red dot which is almost no weight addition and covers anything close that I would ever need to do. IMHO this combination far out performs the low power variable. And if you absolutely have to have a 1-8, why not go with a Leupold Mk8? You're going to be getting glass that's almost as good but a scope that's a bit cheaper and available everywhere. Anyway, either way, you're asking incredibly specific questions about non-clone optics in a clone thread. You're not going to get much help here. You'd be best starting a thread in the optics section. But even then, you're going to get limited responses because there's not a lot of people out there who have significant trigger time behind these $3500+ AR scopes. You could also try Sniper's Hide. From someone who spent months on the same chase you're doing now, and eventually bought something, I can't stress enough that I think you're headed in the wrong direction and will end up pretty unhappy with it after you get it. But sometimes you just have to try it and no amount of online advice will make up for it. 
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Posted: 8/26/2016 4:50:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 78Staff]
[#26]
Stopped by the shop today for some pistol range time, and I was able to mount up my 12th on the Mod1 and take really mediocre cell phone pics of it :).
First time I've mounted it, I was only able to get 2 1/2 turns, which kind threw me a bit. It's a High Caliber Sales upper with Douglas Barrel, so figured I would get plenty of turns. I don't have to worry about it for a few more months I suppose. Should I be looking at spacing out the brake a bit to get more turns? Also running out of clever ways to express my displeasure for having to leave my cans in the shop safe for months and months... Best I can come up with at the moment is "I went to the LGS and spent 2K and all I got was this lousy picture..."  |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 5:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: The Dope, and IMI RazorCore: This stuff is COOKING. It's faster than the CBC which I was guesstimating 2775 to 2800 before, and the IMI impacts were generally high using my CBC's numbers. Wasn't seeming to trade accuracy, but then again I suck at groups... Here's what I ended up with for real world dope with IMI and the Leupold: IMI Razor Core 77gr 5.56 OTM 100: Zero'd ~1/2-3/4 MOA high 250: 2 MOA 500: 8 MOA 600 YD: 11 MOA 600M: 15 MOA 750: 20 MOA Guys, this shit had to have been well north of 2800 FPS based on the temperature outside and impacts being higher than what Strelok gave me with 2775 and 2800 as MV values. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: dont build one. you wont ever want to shoot the other ones again. http://i68.tinypic.com/iwnb80.jpg The Dope, and IMI RazorCore: This stuff is COOKING. It's faster than the CBC which I was guesstimating 2775 to 2800 before, and the IMI impacts were generally high using my CBC's numbers. Wasn't seeming to trade accuracy, but then again I suck at groups... Here's what I ended up with for real world dope with IMI and the Leupold: IMI Razor Core 77gr 5.56 OTM 100: Zero'd ~1/2-3/4 MOA high 250: 2 MOA 500: 8 MOA 600 YD: 11 MOA 600M: 15 MOA 750: 20 MOA Guys, this shit had to have been well north of 2800 FPS based on the temperature outside and impacts being higher than what Strelok gave me with 2775 and 2800 as MV values. I noticed the same with IMI, much hotter than BH or CBC. Mod1/Magnetospeed  |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 5:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori: This post better not shove me to the first post on the next page...think my last 2-3 posts did that. I've been looking at the S&B Short Dots, mainly the 1-8x24mm with the "dual" reticle that's 2nd focal plane. It's the version with Leupold MK4 type illumination (center crosshairs) but when going down to 1x, it turns into a true parallax free red dot sight. This model.... Schmidt & Bender 1-8x24 Short Dot "Dual" The only problem I have is the reticle is thin with hollow wider sections. I've used S&B scopes with similar reticles and it can be difficult to pick up sometimes. Now for some reason I've completely missed the 1.1-8x24 PM II High Power since it's not listed with the Short Dot scopes. It's very similar to a Leupold CQBSS 1.1-8 so I'm assuming this was S&B's attempt to win the mil contract. It's 1st focal plane like the CQBSS too. Schmidt & Bender 1.1-8x24 "High Power" This scope has an illuminated horseshoe setup similar to the CQBSS which to me is a winner. Plus it has ranging marks for what I assume is 7.62. http://www.schmidtundbender.de/images/stories/absehen/absehen-horseshoe.jpg I just can't find any info on this scope anywhere. No magazine reviews, forum reviews, no youtube reviews, nothing. I've sent emails off to S&B but never hear back. -Anyone have experience with the "1.1-8x24 High Power"? -If the reticle range marks are indeed for 7.62, will a 16" barrel firing heavier MK262 rounds even come close to those marks? I'm assuming the heavier bullets will be a decent match. -Anyone know the reasoning why S&B does 1.1x as the lowest setting on the High Power compared to 1x on the Dual model? Is it because the High Power is 1st Focal Plane and the Dual is 2nd Focal? I know the CQBSS stops at 1.1x too. Don't get me wrong, a 2nd focal plane 1-8x scope is perfectly fine..trying to use a reticle to range at lower power is almost impossible. Thanks |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 5:42:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Samson-Dogg]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 78Staff:
Stopped by the shop today for some pistol range time, and I was able to mount up my 12th on the Mod1 and take really mediocre cell phone pics of it :). First time I've mounted it, I was only able to get 2 1/2 turns, which kind threw me a bit. It's a High Caliber Sales upper with Douglas Barrel, so figured I would get plenty of turns. I don't have to worry about it for a few more months I suppose. Should I be looking at spacing out the brake a bit to get more turns? Also running out of clever ways to express my displeasure for having to leave my cans in the shop safe for months and months... Best I can come up with at the moment is "I went to the LGS and spent 2K and all I got was this lousy picture..."
http://i.imgur.com/thLQikZ.jpg NO SHIT!!! I have 2 AEM5,s an M110 can and an NT4 just sitting. Waiting to be abused. I won't bitch about the KAC shit. Even with the form 4 wait mine will be much shorter than most. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 5:55:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
NO SHIT!!! I have 2 AEM5,s an M110 can and an NT4 just sitting. Waiting to be abused. I won't bitch about the KAC shit. Even with the form 4 wait mine will be much shorter than most. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Stopped by the shop today for some pistol range time, and I was able to mount up my 12th on the Mod1 and take really mediocre cell phone pics of it :). First time I've mounted it, I was only able to get 2 1/2 turns, which kind threw me a bit. It's a High Caliber Sales upper with Douglas Barrel, so figured I would get plenty of turns. I don't have to worry about it for a few more months I suppose. Should I be looking at spacing out the brake a bit to get more turns? Also running out of clever ways to express my displeasure for having to leave my cans in the shop safe for months and months... Best I can come up with at the moment is "I went to the LGS and spent 2K and all I got was this lousy picture..."
http://i.imgur.com/thLQikZ.jpg NO SHIT!!! I have 2 AEM5,s an M110 can and an NT4 just sitting. Waiting to be abused. I won't bitch about the KAC shit. Even with the form 4 wait mine will be much shorter than most. AFT "lost" mine. Took a year to get it back. Worth it though, closest thing to a paradigm shift I've had in shooting. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:29:25 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 78Staff: Stopped by the shop today for some pistol range time, and I was able to mount up my 12th on the Mod1 and take really mediocre cell phone pics of it :). First time I've mounted it, I was only able to get 2 1/2 turns, which kind threw me a bit. It's a High Caliber Sales upper with Douglas Barrel, so figured I would get plenty of turns. I don't have to worry about it for a few more months I suppose. Should I be looking at spacing out the brake a bit to get more turns? Also running out of clever ways to express my displeasure for having to leave my cans in the shop safe for months and months... Best I can come up with at the moment is "I went to the LGS and spent 2K and all I got was this lousy picture..." Next time you go, take your rattle cans and hit that sucker. You'll feel better. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 8:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Great post! Great guns!! I watched the video. Once you got dialed in you were nailing it consistently. Thanks for sharing. A couple of quesitons, you said you were "just holding" What was your zero on the gun that you were holding over with? And do you have a mil dot reticle? Or not. Also, sort of an off topic question, how do you like that Burris RDS? It looks like the old Tasco that used to be out there that some said was somewhat decent. I'm just curious for the budget minded. I don't even know what burris that is though. Looks like maybe you've had it a while? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Great post! Great guns!! I watched the video. Once you got dialed in you were nailing it consistently. Thanks for sharing. A couple of quesitons, you said you were "just holding" What was your zero on the gun that you were holding over with? And do you have a mil dot reticle? Or not. Also, sort of an off topic question, how do you like that Burris RDS? It looks like the old Tasco that used to be out there that some said was somewhat decent. I'm just curious for the budget minded. I don't even know what burris that is though. Looks like maybe you've had it a while? Thanks, to clarify I dialed the elevation, and used a hold for wind. This was a Mildot in the Leupold. It was basically going from zero wind to .5-.75 MIL hold, gusting on and off. Best of the West can be pretty tricky sometimes, where the wind was tougher to figure out at 600 than 750. I've had the Burris XTR-135 or whatever it is since 2009 or so. It basically was one of those "I just got a rifle and need a red dot" purchases at a gun show. Realistically I coulda/should just done an Aimpoint but it was affordable for the moment, and ended up working just fine. In the long run, it's not super awesome in bright daylight here in TX, and it has a hefty blue tint. Also not super clear to look through anymore, but maybe that's just my eyes (going to shit at 30 yrs old). If I can, I might try and score a Comp M2 used or something old and reliable. Originally Posted By 02Overlander:
I noticed the same with IMI, much hotter than BH or CBC. Mod1/Magnetospeed http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f160/HDHNTER/MWSnap279_zpsogabztxj.jpg Overlander, can you recall what the temp/air pressure/humidity/altitude etc was when you did those readings? It ended up being 90s+ yesterday, altitude here is about 1024 ft, 30.1 in/hg. I need to get on the WeatherUnderground and get the full weather log from a nearby station and compare it to when I shot that string at 750. Maybe I can reverse engineer my velocity based off the range results. But if you were getting like 2840+ that might be about also cover some of the difference between Strelok and results. What distance from muzzle do you use when using Magnetospeed for ballistics programs? JBM lets you pick the distance you want. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 8:17:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Regulatori]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
It sounds like you already have your mind made up and no matter what someone suggests you'll still seek out the "best" … but as someone who was in your shoes 6 months ago I'd really recommend staying away from the S&B 1-8 series. Their price just does not justify what they do. You probably haven't found anything about the High Power because probably nobody has it yet. And the reason they don't list it as 1x is because it probably lacks the "CC" switch that the short dot has to bring it over into 1x. I too was seeking out the best of the best low power variable a few months ago and ended up with the Kahles 1-6, mostly because they were available and even at $2200 still came in $1500 cheaper than the S&B. The field of view was quite a bit bigger than the S&B and it was crazy lighter. But even with all that, I was still disappointed. The 6x-8x range is just not quite there for what the Mk 12 can do and with he suppressor on, most people rarely ever shoot the Mk 12 "fast" 3 gun style where a low power variable would really shine. You're going to end up with a scope that's super heavy, pretty expensive and doesn't really offer anything over what other setups have. I ended up throwing a 3.5-10 Mk 4 on mine which has sufficiently quality glass and enough mag range to cover out to 800yd shots. Added a 45 degree offset red dot which is almost no weight addition and covers anything close that I would ever need to do. IMHO this combination far out performs the low power variable. And if you absolutely have to have a 1-8, why not go with a Leupold Mk8? You're going to be getting glass that's almost as good but a scope that's a bit cheaper and available everywhere. Anyway, either way, you're asking incredibly specific questions about non-clone optics in a clone thread. You're not going to get much help here. You'd be best starting a thread in the optics section. But even then, you're going to get limited responses because there's not a lot of people out there who have significant trigger time behind these $3500+ AR scopes. You could also try Sniper's Hide. From someone who spent months on the same chase you're doing now, and eventually bought something, I can't stress enough that I think you're headed in the wrong direction and will end up pretty unhappy with it after you get it. But sometimes you just have to try it and no amount of online advice will make up for it. http://i.imgur.com/Tq725Ls.jpg Thanks I haven't made up my mind. I'm getting the S&B scope for significantly less than retail...I'm not anywhere near the ridiculous $4000 asking price. It's closer to what you paid for your Khales. It's really between MK8 CQBSS (waiting to hear back on mil/leo pricing), S&B, or Nightforce. I've used Leupold's a lot and used to own an original 3.5-10x M3 back in the 90s...it was great glass but figured this time I wanted something a bit different/exotic. I've used friend's high end scopes and used a few in the military but never got a chance to own one myself...so I'm a kind of excited. I tried posting a random question about a S&B reticle in the scope section and got zero replies....then after hanging around here a bit, I notice a lot of Mk12 owners have an assortment of other rifles with S&B optics that are quite a bit expensive. Figured I would ask here instead of making another thread over in the optics forum. Plus this is where I do 99% of my reading/posting. Not sure if I want to venture outside of here. haha I really don't care about weight. It's mostly going to be a range gun or something to shoot all weekend when camping. I see the project as more of a high smile/fun factor combined with an interesting military history rather than anything too serious. If that makes sense. Nice thing about all 3 of these scopes is they all have a decent resale market...so it won't be too big of a hit if I decide to try something different. I sent you a PM with a bit more details. EDIT: I do apologize for asking so many questions...I've also instant messaged a few of you too with questions and got a lot of great info there too. I really appreciate all of the help here. So many times in the past I've rushed into projects and regretted some of the decisions...this time I'm being more methodical. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:44:50 PM EDT
[#34]
I know this has been beat to death, but to avoid having to sort through this entire thread, what are the go to companies for complete mod1 uppers? Thanks
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:51:03 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I know this has been beat to death, but to avoid having to sort through this entire thread, what are the go to companies for complete mod1 uppers? Thanks High Caliber Sales is the main one (ran by the guys that built them at Crane) BCM but I'm not sure how clone-kosher they are. They pass a visual test though. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:26:57 PM EDT
[#36]
Anyone seen this before? Was searching for Recce pics and stumbled across this, tagged as ODA 585. What do I spy in the foreground?:
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:43:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Anyone seen this before? Was searching for Recce pics and stumbled across this, tagged as ODA 585. What do I spy in the foreground?: https://i.imgur.com/Jxhdnde.jpg Yeah I posted it a while back; never knew which ODA it was though. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:51:04 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Yeah I posted it a while back; never knew which ODA it was though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: Anyone seen this before? Was searching for Recce pics and stumbled across this, tagged as ODA 585. What do I spy in the foreground?: https://i.imgur.com/Jxhdnde.jpg Yeah I posted it a while back; never knew which ODA it was though. MSgt Kevin Morehead |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:09:27 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Anyone seen this before? Was searching for Recce pics and stumbled across this, tagged as ODA 585. What do I spy in the foreground?: https://i.imgur.com/Jxhdnde.jpg |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:10:03 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I know this has been beat to death, but to avoid having to sort through this entire thread, what are the go to companies for complete mod1 uppers? Thanks High Caliber's right in your back yard. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 9:39:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: plante74]
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:49:15 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
High Caliber's right in your back yard. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I know this has been beat to death, but to avoid having to sort through this entire thread, what are the go to companies for complete mod1 uppers? Thanks High Caliber's right in your back yard. This |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:57:03 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By plante74: Hey I don't have a pelican but I have two really expensive things who's seats hold a rifle perfectly. Finally going to put some rounds down range. It's been a while. http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a567/plante74/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsjgbn5juq.jpeg LOL send to the wifey for maximum lolz |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 2:35:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2016 4:53:41 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iluvmy86: Got new turret caps from Leupold http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y302/Silent_Shooter/MK12%20Top%20View.jpg http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y302/Silent_Shooter/MK12.jpg I had a hard on 'til I saw the #40L.  |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:52:19 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Very nice. I had a hard on 'til I saw the #40L.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By iluvmy86:
Got new turret caps from Leupold http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y302/Silent_Shooter/MK12%20Top%20View.jpg http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y302/Silent_Shooter/MK12.jpg I had a hard on 'til I saw the #40L.
Don't forget the A2 stock
Just kidding thats a nice looking Mod 0 iluvmy86. I need some help finding a couple things for my Mod H from the Mk 12 folks. I am trying to find a 45* rail mount for my Docter, ideally 2 of them. I know the "clone correct" on on the Mod-H is the old style Matt Burkett mount but even the newer ones are impossible to find. I'd be happy to find something similar at this point. The other thing I am looking for is an ACE SOCOM stock. Ideally it would be one of the older ones but I'd settle for a good deal on a new one. Let me know if you have one for sale or know where one can be had for a discount. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:28:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By plante74:
Hey I don't have a pelican but I have two really expensive things who's seats hold a rifle perfectly. Finally going to put some rounds down range. It's been a while. <a href="http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/plante74/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsjgbn5juq.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a567/plante74/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsjgbn5juq.jpeg</a> I was never a germaphobe until I had kids. The amount of crap that leaks out of them all over the place gives me the willies now. I'd be wiping that rifle down with clorox wipes before shooting it.
But otherwise it fits perfectly. That would be illegal in WI though. lucky |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:14:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Don't forget the A2 stock
Just kidding thats a nice looking Mod 0 iluvmy86. I need some help finding a couple things for my Mod H from the Mk 12 folks. I am trying to find a 45* rail mount for my Docter, ideally 2 of them. I know the "clone correct" on on the Mod-H is the old style Matt Burkett mount but even the newer ones are impossible to find. I'd be happy to find something similar at this point. The other thing I am looking for is an ACE SOCOM stock. Ideally it would be one of the older ones but I'd settle for a good deal on a new one. Let me know if you have one for sale or know where one can be had for a discount. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By iluvmy86:
Got new turret caps from Leupold http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y302/Silent_Shooter/MK12%20Top%20View.jpg http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y302/Silent_Shooter/MK12.jpg I had a hard on 'til I saw the #40L.
Don't forget the A2 stock
Just kidding thats a nice looking Mod 0 iluvmy86. I need some help finding a couple things for my Mod H from the Mk 12 folks. I am trying to find a 45* rail mount for my Docter, ideally 2 of them. I know the "clone correct" on on the Mod-H is the old style Matt Burkett mount but even the newer ones are impossible to find. I'd be happy to find something similar at this point. The other thing I am looking for is an ACE SOCOM stock. Ideally it would be one of the older ones but I'd settle for a good deal on a new one. Let me know if you have one for sale or know where one can be had for a discount. There is an ace socom gen 4 on gunbroker I think right now. It took me 6-7 months to find a gen 1. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:43:07 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Anyone seen this before? Was searching for Recce pics and stumbled across this, tagged as ODA 585. What do I spy in the foreground?: https://i.imgur.com/Jxhdnde.jpg There is something about this picture that hits me every time I see it. I recognize a few of the guys from other pictures and books, but dont know the context behind it. I would love to know more. It also makes me need an OG MOD 0 upper (or whole gun...) more than my wallet is okay with... |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:12:08 PM EDT
[#50]
Just stumbled across this thread in the Operation Parts industry forum and thought it may be of interest to someone here.
Mk12 Mod1 build list I'm not affiliated with Operation Parts except for the occasional order. Everything I've picked up there has been shipped that or the next day. |
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