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Posted: 5/10/2012 1:42:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By blackhawk400:
more pics! that's one sweet recon! Thanks, I will try to get some decent pics up with the spec's by this weekend when im at the range breaking it in. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2012 1:58:58 PM EDT
[#2]
Originally Posted By SRacer2000:
Originally Posted By mathecb:
Originally Posted By SRacer2000:
OK, Mr. Brown brought me a box from BCM today. Now I need optics ideas. I have an EOTech on my M4 and a Nikon 2.5-10 on my Mk12, What should I put on my Recce? I want keep it in the $500-600 range including mount. Vortex Viper PST 1-4X24 and ADM Recon mount. Might put you a little over budget but will be a very nice setup and well worth the extra money. Every time I look at scopes I do coming back to Vortex, but aren't they hard to find? You can find em used iffin you keep an eye out. |
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Posted: 5/11/2012 5:33:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shay_Ellafrits:
Originally Posted By SRacer2000:
Originally Posted By mathecb:
Originally Posted By SRacer2000:
OK, Mr. Brown brought me a box from BCM today. Now I need optics ideas. I have an EOTech on my M4 and a Nikon 2.5-10 on my Mk12, What should I put on my Recce? I want keep it in the $500-600 range including mount. Vortex Viper PST 1-4X24 and ADM Recon mount. Might put you a little over budget but will be a very nice setup and well worth the extra money. Every time I look at scopes I do coming back to Vortex, but aren't they hard to find? You can find em used iffin you keep an eye out. I got mine off ebay for 450. there is another on there new for 515 shipped. My Beowulf Recce Might go for the LT139 mount instead of the 104. But nose to charging handle doesnt really work with the Beowulf 
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2012 5:57:26 PM EDT
[#4]
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. 
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Posted: 5/11/2012 6:05:17 PM EDT
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It's a good thing you showed up here to tell us.
As it's been said over and over "recce" isn't really any defined set of equipment. An SDM-R is fairly well defined and although there are a few variations in service, they all have several common factors. "Recce" on the other hand, is really just a concept. As best I understand it, "recce" is a versatile rifle that can engage both close range and medium range targets. It is a balance of weight, accuracy, and speed. I'm sure that will make the OCD in some folks scream bloody murder but if you disagree, feel free to find the TM on "recce, rifle, 1 ea." |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2012 6:20:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
It's a good thing you showed up here to tell us. As it's been said over and over "recce" isn't really any defined set of equipment. An SDM-R is fairly well defined and although there are a few variations in service, they all have several common factors. "Recce" on the other hand, is really just a concept. As best I understand it, "recce" is a versatile rifle that can engage both close range and medium range targets. It is a balance of weight, accuracy, and speed. I'm sure that will make the OCD in some folks scream bloody murder but if you disagree, feel free to find the TM on "recce, rifle, 1 ea." He asked can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. so I did. He didn't ask "can you show me some interpretations of what the recce concept is by arf.com members?'. It is my understanding the "recce", "sniper M4", Mk12 or whatever all originated within the Navy SEALs. I simply pointed him to a picture of a rifle from a SEAL that seems to fit the criteria you set "recce" is a versatile rifle that can engage both close range and medium range targets. It is a balance of weight, accuracy, and speed.
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USA
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Posted: 5/11/2012 9:15:39 PM EDT
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2012 3:28:20 PM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg Not that it is a bad rifle,but a true RECCE rifle has a 12th model suppressor and a Douglas stainless 1 in 7 twist barrel and built by Crane Nav/Sea in southern Indiana. 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2012 3:39:32 PM EDT
[#9]
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg Not that it is a bad rifle,but a true RECCE rifle has a 12th model suppressor and a Douglas stainless 1 in 7 twist barrel and built by Crane Nav/Sea in southern Indiana. Nope.. Way off. Already been posted in this thread what Parts are on a true ST6 Reece. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2012 12:12:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: foxj66]
[#10]
My take on the concept in 300BLK, which I have found works perfect for me as a rifle. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:05:30 AM EDT
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http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg What bipod/attachment is on this rifle? |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:08:01 AM EDT
[#12]
Originally Posted By beenaround:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg What bipod/attachment is on this rifle? Atlas Bipod |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:56:53 AM EDT
[#13]
Thanks!
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2012 12:16:33 PM EDT
[#14]
Originally Posted By scarnar:
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg Not that it is a bad rifle,but a true RECCE rifle has a 12th model suppressor and a Douglas stainless 1 in 7 twist barrel and built by Crane Nav/Sea in southern Indiana. Nope.. Way off. Already been posted in this thread what Parts are on a true ST6 Reece. I've seen what opinions were posted and they were not bad,but also not accurate as to the original development of a RECCE rifle at the request of SOCOM to Crane Nav/Sea,along with the development of the Mk 262 77gr OTM ammo for it,that only Black Hills produces for the military. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 12:34:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: beenaround]
[#15]
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By scarnar:
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg Not that it is a bad rifle,but a true RECCE rifle has a 12th model suppressor and a Douglas stainless 1 in 7 twist barrel and built by Crane Nav/Sea in southern Indiana. Nope.. Way off. Already been posted in this thread what Parts are on a true ST6 Reece. I've seen what opinions were posted and they were not bad,but also not accurate as to the original development of a RECCE rifle at the request of SOCOM to Crane Nav/Sea,along with the development of the Mk 262 77gr OTM ammo for it,that only Black Hills produces for the military. I just read an article that said the MK 262 77gr OTM ammo is available to civilians. It's just a bit expensive. *edit* I think I read what you wrote wrong sorry, I thought you were saying BH only produces that ammo for the military. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:56:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By scarnar:
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg Not that it is a bad rifle,but a true RECCE rifle has a 12th model suppressor and a Douglas stainless 1 in 7 twist barrel and built by Crane Nav/Sea in southern Indiana. Nope.. Way off. Already been posted in this thread what Parts are on a true ST6 Reece. I've seen what opinions were posted and they were not bad,but also not accurate as to the original development of a RECCE rifle at the request of SOCOM to Crane Nav/Sea,along with the development of the Mk 262 77gr OTM ammo for it,that only Black Hills produces for the military. Still wrong. The ST6 rifle was not developed or even requisted to be developed by or for SOCOM. Also the Mk 262 was developed for the MK12 progrom not the ST6 Recce rifle. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:09:20 PM EDT
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:41:41 AM EDT
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I obtained this B&W picture identified as a Team rifle probably 10+ years ago. The information at that time was 16" heavy barrel, free float forearm, optic and stock of the operators choice. That is what I based my build on which was done a couple of years after I found the picture. Forgive the SP1, half of my AR's are old.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:12:16 AM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg Not that it is a bad rifle,but a true RECCE rifle has a 12th model suppressor and a Douglas stainless 1 in 7 twist barrel and built by Crane Nav/Sea in southern Indiana. Rev1, if you have some bonafide info which can be backed up with actual identifiable sources, believe me.... we are all ears. However, without that, it makes you appear as if you are just another Internet expert claiming to know something. This is especially true when you say the pictures rifle isn't proper, when in fact, I do believe the pictured rifle is a Naval Special Warfare rifle. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2012 4:14:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Am I anywhere close?
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:46:05 PM EDT
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Looks good to me. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:00:40 PM EDT
[#22]
Might be close, not really caring though, has a 14.5", not a 16" barrel. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:28:16 PM EDT
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NH, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:49:09 PM EDT
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My interpretation:
Stag upper & BCG YHM FF carbine tube RRA 16" 1/8 Hbar w/ A2 [from a coyote carbine] Matech BUIS & a MI HK style front. Glass is a bit overpowered for a "Recce", Bushnell Elite 3200 10xMildot Superior Arms lower w/ PSA kit. Magpul grip CAA stock w/ Adj. cheek riser. 
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2012 9:03:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: REV1]
[#25]
Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Originally Posted By REV1:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Redrum746:
Ok, with all the interpretations and different tastes of what is or isn't a Recce rifle can someone post pics of true Recce rifles. Here you go. From page 53, as far as I know the only true "recce" in this whole thread. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Lawdog734/utf-8BSU1BRzAwMjMuanBn-1.jpg Not that it is a bad rifle,but a true RECCE rifle has a 12th model suppressor and a Douglas stainless 1 in 7 twist barrel and built by Crane Nav/Sea in southern Indiana. Rev1, if you have some bonafide info which can be backed up with actual identifiable sources, believe me.... we are all ears. However, without that, it makes you appear as if you are just another Internet expert claiming to know something. This is especially true when you say the pictures rifle isn't proper, when in fact, I do believe the pictured rifle is a Naval Special Warfare rifle. Other than relatives with first hand experience,I Can't quote any text writings about it.The closest I have come across is from Highcaliber sales.com.I believe he has people there that were R&D at Crane at the time.Don't get me wrong (I can't type everything out that I want to say,one finger at a time LOL), The configuration of the rifle from the original plan to the users needs, made it not very specific except for it to be an accurized 16" free floated barrel with optics and the rest to be configured by the end user as needed and changed when needed to be a versatile platform to make it mission specific.The rifles here all seam to fit the bill of what they should be, except for the suppressor that not all ,but most had as per the orig. plan. But living in the Socialist Republic of Liberal New Jersey Mine can't have that option.  PS.yes that rifle does look the part.It also looks close to mine ,at the top of page 62. What I don't know is that I've heard it should have a rifle length gas system not a mid-length system.But I've seen both offered for sale claiming it to be a RECCE build.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 9:48:17 PM EDT
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And we are back to the long standing point that this thread has hammered home for as long as it been active. Without a "spec", and there surely does not seem to be one, all we have is people puitting togeter rifles to serve a purpose. For example, you say you hear it was a rifle length gas system, while everything that I have heard and seen says that it was Lilja barrels with carbine length gas systems. Again, without a spec, we could both be right, although a 16" or 16.5" barrel with a rifle length gas system does seem odd.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:06:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut003]
[#27]
Picture dump from the Mk12 thread (courtesy of Glass1)
Originally Posted By Glass1:
Here are the specs on the gun: - 16" barrel with mid length gas system (barrels are from a variety of mfg; one of them in the above photo is Noveske marked) - PRI low pro gas block - PRI Gen III handguard - standard Ops Inc collar and muzzle brake - PRI flip up front sight (while I've only seen a handful of these uppers, the one in the above pic is the only sample I've seen with the BUIS installed) - rear BUIS was typically the retained ARMS #40, to my understanding. - some used the PRI Recce Rail, others used the Larue SPR mount (samples of both above) - PRI Gas Buster charging handles - it is unclear whether these were built on the original Mod 0 upper recievers or whether new ones were used. The few I have seen are Colt "C" marked, which could suggest either. - they originally used the ACE SOCOM buttstock, but my understanding is that most have been replaced with other stocks. I've only seen one photo with the ACE stock in use. Most have either Magpul PRS, ACS, or SOPMOD stocks. The one above obviously has a Vltor installed. Obviously operator preference. - lowers were the retained Mod 0 lowers. See below for picture posts of carbines with the KAC MRE Fore end, with FSB cut out. From a youtube video. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:43:13 PM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By new-arguy:
And we are back to the long standing point that this thread has hammered home for as long as it been active. Without a "spec", and there surely does not seem to be one, all we have is people puitting togeter rifles to serve a purpose. For example, you say you hear it was a rifle length gas system, while everything that I have heard and seen says that it was Lilja barrels with carbine length gas systems. Again, without a spec, we could both be right, although a 16" or 16.5" barrel with a rifle length gas system does seem odd. While I will agree that the "specs" seem to be a lot more open-ended than say a Mk18 mod0, for example, there are several that are certain. IE: -16" SS barrel -free float handguard -1-4x variable powered optic I would venture to say that the optic is less important to the true nature of a recce as an acog, 1-6x, etc. could work just as well (or better in some instances). But the SS barrel and FF hg are pretty much the standard and there are folks posting m4 contour barrels and drop in rails here. Just pointing out that some of those saying "your rifle doesn't belong" DO have a little bit of a point. With that being said, I personally don't get all tore up over it and don't mind, as I like seeing everyone's iterations of what they think a "recce" should be. The Mk18 thread is more strict as there are more defined parameters (although it does say VARIANTS in the title ). My personal "mk18 mod0" certainly wasn't built with those exact specs and was done so because 1) I don't care for exact clones 2) I like to tailor a weapon to my specific needs (just as most end users are doing that are allowed to). With that same sentiment, if there were exact specs to a recce, mine likely wouldn't be an exact clone.
All in all, I do think that there should be a little tighter control over what weapons are posted in here because some of them are simply off-the-shelf rifles with a scope, which I think we can all agree, is not a recce. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2012 12:25:12 AM EDT
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I pulled this off of tacticalforums prior to '05. It was written by screen name "frogman". I do not know who that is and have no idea of the veracity of the information, I only post it for interest.
"Well before 9/11 a new M4 upper was built "in-house" to allow certain SEAL snipers the ability to have a lightweight and portable weapon that was also more lethal. So, a few uppers were made with 16" barrels. The uppers had to fire any of the 5.56mm ammo in our inventory to include the (at that time "new") 77 gr. Sierra/Black Hills Match cartridge. The weapon retained the KAC QD Suppressor. The operator could decide for himself, basically, whether he wanted a collapsing or fixed stock (as SEALs have done for quite a long time). When the "recipe" was turned over to Crane for them to make enough for the rest of the Teams' snipers the person who was handling the project got distracted. Instead he funneled Army money into the project and Army ideas. Basically, he shelved a simple construction project in favor of designing a whole new thing- and thus the Mk 12 (which the world loves to call the "SPR") was unfortunately born (perhaps stillborn). Mk 12's were issued to the Navy (myself included)and they were not what one might have expected once they got to the range. Since the Teams considered the whole "SPR"/Mk 12 thing a waste of time, the project manager at Crane (finally) got his pee-pee slapped a little and construction of some more of the original Recon rifles is now progressing. It is simply a 16" barrel (current manufacturer eludes me as I write but it is not that fancy) with the KAC flash-hider on a flattop upper. I believe it still has a fixed front sight post. SEALs have a host of BUIS options to choose from. The favorite, by far, is the KAC 600m BUIS. SEAL snipers have a wide range of optics to select for their weapons. My personal favorite(and that of my Teammates) is the 4X SOF ACOG. It has good optics, is waterproof and extremely durable. Many of us have recently shifted them onto A.R.M.S. throw lever bases for quick detach purposes." |
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Posted: 5/15/2012 12:40:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut003]
[#30]
Originally Posted By cmutka:
I pulled this off of tacticalforums prior to '05. It was written by screen name "frogman". I do not know who that is and have no idea of the veracity of the information, I only post it for interest. "Well before 9/11 a new M4 upper was built "in-house" to allow certain SEAL snipers the ability to have a lightweight and portable weapon that was also more lethal. So, a few uppers were made with 16" barrels. The uppers had to fire any of the 5.56mm ammo in our inventory to include the (at that time "new") 77 gr. Sierra/Black Hills Match cartridge. The weapon retained the KAC QD Suppressor. The operator could decide for himself, basically, whether he wanted a collapsing or fixed stock (as SEALs have done for quite a long time). When the "recipe" was turned over to Crane for them to make enough for the rest of the Teams' snipers the person who was handling the project got distracted. Instead he funneled Army money into the project and Army ideas. Basically, he shelved a simple construction project in favor of designing a whole new thing- and thus the Mk 12 (which the world loves to call the "SPR") was unfortunately born (perhaps stillborn). Mk 12's were issued to the Navy (myself included)and they were not what one might have expected once they got to the range. Since the Teams considered the whole "SPR"/Mk 12 thing a waste of time, the project manager at Crane (finally) got his pee-pee slapped a little and construction of some more of the original Recon rifles is now progressing. It is simply a 16" barrel (current manufacturer eludes me as I write but it is not that fancy) with the KAC flash-hider on a flattop upper. I believe it still has a fixed front sight post. SEALs have a host of BUIS options to choose from. The favorite, by far, is the KAC 600m BUIS. SEAL snipers have a wide range of optics to select for their weapons. My personal favorite(and that of my Teammates) is the 4X SOF ACOG. It has good optics, is waterproof and extremely durable. Many of us have recently shifted them onto A.R.M.S. throw lever bases for quick detach purposes." Probably the same member on this site that goes by "FROGMAN". These are probably 14.5" though, 
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Posted: 5/15/2012 5:55:31 AM EDT
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2012 7:57:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Geohans]
[#32]
Updated pic of my Sprecce: 17in Krieger
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2012 5:10:52 PM EDT
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would it be blasphemy to put an eotech xps + fts magnifier on a recce?
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Posted: 5/15/2012 6:42:57 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By JDMBabaganoosh:
would it be blasphemy to put an eotech xps + fts magnifier on a recce? Would it fit your needs as opposed to one's desire to senselessly replicate a military weapon? If it fits your needs, there is NOTHING wrong with it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2012 7:58:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Originally Posted By JDMBabaganoosh:
would it be blasphemy to put an eotech xps + fts magnifier on a recce? Would it fit your needs as opposed to one's desire to senselessly replicate a military weapon? If it fits your needs, there is NOTHING wrong with it. +1 I dont get all the clone crap lately. AR's are too expensive to play dress up. IMO, the best setup is the one that is designed around the individual shooter and his or her shooting environment. Go for what fits your needs. |
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Posted: 5/15/2012 7:58:16 PM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Originally Posted By JDMBabaganoosh:
would it be blasphemy to put an eotech xps + fts magnifier on a recce? Would it fit your needs as opposed to one's desire to senselessly replicate a military weapon? If it fits your needs, there is NOTHING wrong with it. Agreed. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2012 9:01:56 AM EDT
[#37]
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Originally Posted By JDMBabaganoosh:
would it be blasphemy to put an eotech xps + fts magnifier on a recce? Would it fit your needs as opposed to one's desire to senselessly replicate a military weapon? If it fits your needs, there is NOTHING wrong with it. not trying to replicate, just noticing my build mimics this style pretty close. still going with xps 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2012 9:34:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BeelzeBob]
[#38]
What i threw together is kinda recce(ish)
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Posted: 5/16/2012 7:23:37 PM EDT
[#39]
My recce
SPRecce mode 
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Posted: 5/16/2012 8:40:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By cowboy: My recce http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m281/cowboy7242001/0d455bd3.jpg SPRecce mode http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m281/cowboy7242001/138d2ecb.jpg Barrel length, rail model and length, and suppressor model please? Nice looking stick. |
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Posted: 5/16/2012 9:07:15 PM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By Cavalry99:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
My recce http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m281/cowboy7242001/0d455bd3.jpg SPRecce mode http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m281/cowboy7242001/138d2ecb.jpg Barrel length, rail model and length, and suppressor model please? Nice looking stick. 16" Recon from Denny/Global Tactical. 13" Troy VTAC rail. AAC M4/SPR suppressor. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2012 9:24:32 PM EDT
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Getting there...
Bad pic but you get the idea |
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Posted: 5/16/2012 10:11:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RyanH]
[#43]
Edit: BTW, I absolutely love this thread. Thanks everyone for posting up their builds.
Not sure if this one counts but I thought I'd throw it up here anyway. Mods can delete if it's an issue. 
I have 2800 rounds (and a class) through this rifle and it's never had a hiccup. I feed it Wolf WPA to Black Hills ammo and everything in between and it happily eats it all. Sometimes I'll set it on a Harris bipod and plink at 100 meters. It shoots better than I do. It's been a good reliable and versatile rifle. 
Specs for those who care to know: BCM 16" middy upper BCM bolt & carrier Daniel Defense Omega rail Trijicon TR24-3 in a LT104 mount Pentagon light Magpul/Larue furniture Mega Machine lower RRA lower parts Geissele SSA Battle Arms ambi safety |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2012 10:15:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By cmutka:
When the "recipe" was turned over to Crane for them to make enough for the rest of the Teams' snipers the person who was handling the project got distracted. Instead he funneled Army money into the project and Army ideas. Basically, he shelved a simple construction project in favor of designing a whole new thing- and thus the Mk 12 (which the world loves to call the "SPR") was unfortunately born (perhaps stillborn). Mk 12's were issued to the Navy (myself included)and they were not what one might have expected once they got to the range. Since the Teams considered the whole "SPR"/Mk 12 thing a waste of time, the project manager at Crane (finally) got his pee-pee slapped a little and construction of some more of the original Recon rifles is now progressing. " Sounds to me like some guy has a serious case of sour grapes, from this rant you'd think he was talking about two completely different weapons platforms instead of two inches of barrel length. |
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Posted: 5/16/2012 11:24:26 PM EDT
[#45]
MK12 Mod0
KAC/LMT MRP Recce 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2012 1:04:51 AM EDT
[#46]
My latest revision of my reece.
I'll try to get some better pictures later because honestly, this one sucks... |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 7:31:15 AM EDT
[#47]
Originally Posted By locobob68:
Originally Posted By cmutka:
When the "recipe" was turned over to Crane for them to make enough for the rest of the Teams' snipers the person who was handling the project got distracted. Instead he funneled Army money into the project and Army ideas. Basically, he shelved a simple construction project in favor of designing a whole new thing- and thus the Mk 12 (which the world loves to call the "SPR") was unfortunately born (perhaps stillborn). Mk 12's were issued to the Navy (myself included)and they were not what one might have expected once they got to the range. Since the Teams considered the whole "SPR"/Mk 12 thing a waste of time, the project manager at Crane (finally) got his pee-pee slapped a little and construction of some more of the original Recon rifles is now progressing. " Sounds to me like some guy has a serious case of sour grapes, from this rant you'd think he was talking about two completely different weapons platforms instead of two inches of barrel length. it's a lot more than just a couple inches of barrel. Believe me, I love the Mod0 configuration, but if you asked for the above ad they handed you a Mod0 (which is the configuration he is talking about) I might be "WTF" myself. Mod0s are quite heavy and have about 752 screws that hold the hole thing together. There's a full size 3.5-10x40 optic on it and they generally had an A1/A2 stock. Big gun. The Mod1 was better, less bulky, less heavy, far fewer parts and pieces, many used the new (at the time) Leupold TS30 which was a much smaller optic. Anyway, I'm just saying, the Mod0 is a big honkin gun, not much at all like an accurized carbine. |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 4:14:10 PM EDT
[#48]
Not sure if this was posted before.
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Posted: 5/18/2012 5:22:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Seems the consensus leads us to just a couple key elements:
1. Accurized barrel, generally stainless and not lightweight; 2. Magnified optic. 3. Around 16 inches or so. Probably throw in a target style trigger. |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 6:19:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: blackhawk400]
[#50]
so what dictates an accurized barrel? does hammer forged count? button rifling? hand lapped? medium-heavy contour?
does any barrel count so long as it outperforms the standard m4 in fast-paced benchrest group tests? if my palmetto state or spikes tactical barrel can shoot 1.5-2 moa consistently with a 3 or 4x scope (not saying it can or can't because i haven't bothered to test) would it work in a recon build? i think it should be allowed in if it can shoot decently. don't mind my bad lighting and cheapo scope and mount. edit: i personally don't think a heavy barrel is required for a recon-styled gun. not like i've got any way to go full auto anyways... 
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