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Originally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: Well that kida sucks. The semi auto trigger pull on the rare breed sucks, at least on mine. It's one of main reasons I never bought another one. Now that I have a ARC-fire and it works with G$ triggers, I will not go back to a shitty trigger pull. This thing does look a lot like the rare breed. I wonder how long before the get a C&D letter.  Hope that doesn't dissuade you too much @Jeeps-And-Guns. It would seem he somehow got a bad trigger, because reviews in the GD thread from those who say they've received this don't really jive with his impressions- the general consensus is much the opposite. Maybe @ELittlefield would like to ship his back for an exchange so we can test his and figure out what went wrong with it? |
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Originally Posted By Ben: Hope that doesn't dissuade you too much @Jeeps-And-Guns. It would seem he somehow got a bad trigger, because reviews in the GD thread from those who say they've received this don't really jive with his impressions- the general consensus is much the opposite. Maybe @ELittlefield would like to ship his back for an exchange so we can test his and figure out what went wrong with it? Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: Well that kida sucks. The semi auto trigger pull on the rare breed sucks, at least on mine. It's one of main reasons I never bought another one. Now that I have a ARC-fire and it works with G$ triggers, I will not go back to a shitty trigger pull. This thing does look a lot like the rare breed. I wonder how long before the get a C&D letter. Hope that doesn't dissuade you too much @Jeeps-And-Guns. It would seem he somehow got a bad trigger, because reviews in the GD thread from those who say they've received this don't really jive with his impressions- the general consensus is much the opposite. Maybe @ELittlefield would like to ship his back for an exchange so we can test his and figure out what went wrong with it? I think I'll give it some break in time. I don't want to give the impression that it's a bad device, I'm quite happy with its function and price point. At this point, the selector is the bigger annoyance than the trigger pull, so I think I'll just wait until those are available, and in the meantime put 500 or so rounds through the gun, and re-evaluate it as a whole when it has the better selector. Someone in this thread or the other mentioned special lubrication, and I checked the Partisan website and wasn't able to find a specific lube point. Is there anywhere I should be paying particular attention to? Or should I just splash some EWL down there and cycle it for a while? |
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Originally Posted By HKH: That selector though  Agreed. I hate it. You hate it. Everyone hates it. Everyone hates it except for the guy that thought unilaterally making a last minute change to the selector would be cool. The fix has already been put in for that, in regards to both the shape and the depth for detent engagement. |
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Originally Posted By Ben: Agreed. I hate it. You hate it. Everyone hates it. Everyone hates it except for the guy that thought unilaterally making a last minute change to the selector would be cool. The fix has already been put in for that, in regards to both the shape and the depth for detent engagement. But what do the letters mean?
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Originally Posted By Ben: This is 21st century America - they can mean whatever you want them to mean. Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By DFARM: But what do the letters mean? This is 21st century America - they can mean whatever you want them to mean. Is it like wearing an earring on the right side? |
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Originally Posted By Ben: Agreed. I hate it. You hate it. Everyone hates it. Everyone hates it except for the guy that thought unilaterally making a last minute change to the selector would be cool. The fix has already been put in for that, in regards to both the shape and the depth for detent engagement. This makes me wonder if I should cancel my unfulfilled order. Better selector coming, better pins coming… |
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Originally Posted By heavyduty: This makes me wonder if I should cancel my unfulfilled order. Better selector coming, better pins coming… Neither the new pins nor the new selector will be included as standard, because they both cost more to make- and a lot of folks won't care about the difference. |
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Yes. It's needed to reduce how much the bolt carrier bounces when it closes. Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By Nosler180: I see a H3 buffer is recommended for this FRT, does this hold true for shooting 300blk subsonics too? I have some solid 5.5 buffers (9mm I think) that I use in a couple lowers, will they work or does it need to be dead blow? |
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Originally Posted By Nosler180: I have some solid 5.5 buffers (9mm I think) that I use in a couple lowers, will they work or does it need to be dead blow? Originally Posted By Nosler180: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By Nosler180: I see a H3 buffer is recommended for this FRT, does this hold true for shooting 300blk subsonics too? I have some solid 5.5 buffers (9mm I think) that I use in a couple lowers, will they work or does it need to be dead blow? They need to be dead blow. Your standard AR carbine buffer has 3 sliding weights inside it made of steel. That's not good enough for FRTs. An H1 replaces one of those steel weights with Tungsten. An H2, replaces 2 with Tungsten. An H3, all 3 are Tungsten. Most carbines with FRTs need an H2 or H3 to run properly. Solid buffer weights do not work. |
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Originally Posted By Nosler180: I have some solid 5.5 buffers (9mm I think) that I use in a couple lowers, will they work or does it need to be dead blow? |
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost: I would not expect them to work. I tried a 9mm buffer (Colt style with a pinned on moving rear section) and it had occasional issues. H3 is the fastest path to ensuring it works. Joeboboutfitters.com has some in stock. Good to know, will order a couple of H3 to replace these solid buffers. I got time til the LAT comes out. |
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Originally Posted By Ben: Neither the new pins nor the new selector will be included as standard, because they both cost more to make- and a lot of folks won't care about the difference. Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By heavyduty: This makes me wonder if I should cancel my unfulfilled order. Better selector coming, better pins coming… Neither the new pins nor the new selector will be included as standard, because they both cost more to make- and a lot of folks won't care about the difference. Ok, that makes sense. Hopefully Partisan will have some kind of upgrade discount for the early adopters. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: In a few weeks, hopefully, Partisan is releasing a version that takes standard trigger pins. It has internal clips to hold the grooves on the pins. HOPEFULLY it's available as an upgrade to existing triggers, and not a different model of trigger altogether. Hopefully it comes out at the same time as their mil spec looking selector, and USGI profile trigger. I thought they had all bugs worked out. |
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Originally Posted By Ben: Agreed. I hate it. You hate it. Everyone hates it. Everyone hates it except for the guy that thought unilaterally making a last minute change to the selector would be cool. The fix has already been put in for that, in regards to both the shape and the depth for detent engagement. Maybe that guy should have to buy new selectors for all of us. |
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I made a "well no shit Sherlock" discovery today. I have my disruptor installed in my only SBR lower and I switched the upper out for my 4.5" 22 upper to do a little bit of plinking and realized that the trigger requires an m16 carrier even in regular semi auto. Looks like I'll have to get the trip kit and figure out how to get the 22 working with the frt sooner than later. |
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Originally Posted By DFARM: I made a "well no shit Sherlock" discovery today. I have my disruptor installed in my only SBR lower and I switched the upper out for my 4.5" 22 upper to do a little bit of plinking and realized that the trigger requires an m16 carrier even in regular semi auto. Looks like I'll have to get the trip kit and figure out how to get the 22 working with the frt sooner than later. Yessir, that lever at the top rear is a safety that needs to be depressed by a full auto BCG tail or a trip. |
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Originally Posted By DFARM: I made a "well no shit Sherlock" discovery today. I have my disruptor installed in my only SBR lower and I switched the upper out for my 4.5" 22 upper to do a little bit of plinking and realized that the trigger requires an m16 carrier even in regular semi auto. Looks like I'll have to get the trip kit and figure out how to get the 22 working with the frt sooner than later. You're headed down a deep rabbit hole getting 22lr running FRT. At minimum you'll need an FA trip as you know. I'd reccomend the bore buddy FA trip as it's adjustable and worked better for me than the CMMG in my RR. Once the trip/timing issue is solved bolt bounce will be your next likely hurdle, Bore buddy's adjustable weight has worked best for me. You'll likely need more stuff Recoil Spring tuning kit was also helpful to me. Better extractor is a plus as are stronger extractor springs. Since you're already placing an order, get a spare firing pin or two and springs, for me stock firing pin springs worked best. You may need a buffer pressure plug, even if you don't it hurts nothing to have in place. Same with the charging handle insert unless your using a dedicated 22lr CH. Getting cases stuck in a regular CH is a PIA and the insert stops this. Lube is also important, I did run mine wet with oil but man the dirty 22lr powder turns any oil into a slurry quick when brrrting! I've since moved to dry lube, hornady one shot clean and lube(NOT the case lube!) Or WD40 branded dry lube works very well and works longer than oil in my experience. Added bonus, most of the carbon just wipes off when using a healthy coat of dry lube. Not sure if this will be an issue with the Partisan. When I was using an SS, just a little too much finger pressure on the trigger would result in a dead trigger. I'm using a MARC now and it's much less sensitive to this. Bottom line, treat the trigger like a lady and be gently until you know she likes it rough  Use good ammo to get it functioning. CCI mini mag is probably best for this. Once you get the big bugs worked out, you can fine tune the bolt weight/recoil spring and run pretty much any ammo. I mostly use federal bulk in my 4.5". I've also shot blazer, auto match, aguila in various flavors, Norma tac22, CCI sv, quite semi auto and mini mags of course. I'm probably forgetting a few... some were easier to tune then others, CCI quite was a real PIA starting out with good quality HV ammo will help avoid tuning frustrations.Good luck! |
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Originally Posted By shultz: No clue if the Partisan will work for 22lr, it should but we're talking 22lr You're headed down a deep rabbit hole getting 22lr running FRT. At minimum you'll need an FA trip as you know. I'd reccomend the bore buddy FA trip as it's adjustable and worked better for me than the CMMG in my RR. Once the trip/timing issue is solved bolt bounce will be your next likely hurdle, Bore buddy's adjustable weight has worked best for me. You'll likely need more stuff Recoil Spring tuning kit was also helpful to me. Better extractor is a plus as are stronger extractor springs. Since you're already placing an order, get a spare firing pin or two and springs, for me stock firing pin springs worked best. You may need a buffer pressure plug, even if you don't it hurts nothing to have in place. Same with the charging handle insert unless your using a dedicated 22lr CH. Getting cases stuck in a regular CH is a PIA and the insert stops this. Lube is also important, I did run mine wet with oil but man the dirty 22lr powder turns any oil into a slurry quick when brrrting! I've since moved to dry lube, hornady one shot clean and lube(NOT the case lube!) Or WD40 branded dry lube works very well and works longer than oil in my experience. Added bonus, most of the carbon just wipes off when using a healthy coat of dry lube. Not sure if this will be an issue with the Partisan. When I was using an SS, just a little too much finger pressure on the trigger would result in a dead trigger. I'm using a MARC now and it's much less sensitive to this. Bottom line, treat the trigger like a lady and be gently until you know she likes it rough Use good ammo to get it functioning. CCI mini mag is probably best for this. Once you get the big bugs worked out, you can fine tune the bolt weight/recoil spring and run pretty much any ammo. I mostly use federal bulk in my 4.5". I've also shot blazer, auto match, aguila in various flavors, Norma tac22, CCI sv, quite semi auto and mini mags of course. I'm probably forgetting a few... some were easier to tune then others, CCI quite was a real PIA starting out with good quality HV ammo will help avoid tuning frustrations.Good luck! Originally Posted By shultz: Originally Posted By DFARM: I made a "well no shit Sherlock" discovery today. I have my disruptor installed in my only SBR lower and I switched the upper out for my 4.5" 22 upper to do a little bit of plinking and realized that the trigger requires an m16 carrier even in regular semi auto. Looks like I'll have to get the trip kit and figure out how to get the 22 working with the frt sooner than later. You're headed down a deep rabbit hole getting 22lr running FRT. At minimum you'll need an FA trip as you know. I'd reccomend the bore buddy FA trip as it's adjustable and worked better for me than the CMMG in my RR. Once the trip/timing issue is solved bolt bounce will be your next likely hurdle, Bore buddy's adjustable weight has worked best for me. You'll likely need more stuff Recoil Spring tuning kit was also helpful to me. Better extractor is a plus as are stronger extractor springs. Since you're already placing an order, get a spare firing pin or two and springs, for me stock firing pin springs worked best. You may need a buffer pressure plug, even if you don't it hurts nothing to have in place. Same with the charging handle insert unless your using a dedicated 22lr CH. Getting cases stuck in a regular CH is a PIA and the insert stops this. Lube is also important, I did run mine wet with oil but man the dirty 22lr powder turns any oil into a slurry quick when brrrting! I've since moved to dry lube, hornady one shot clean and lube(NOT the case lube!) Or WD40 branded dry lube works very well and works longer than oil in my experience. Added bonus, most of the carbon just wipes off when using a healthy coat of dry lube. Not sure if this will be an issue with the Partisan. When I was using an SS, just a little too much finger pressure on the trigger would result in a dead trigger. I'm using a MARC now and it's much less sensitive to this. Bottom line, treat the trigger like a lady and be gently until you know she likes it rough Use good ammo to get it functioning. CCI mini mag is probably best for this. Once you get the big bugs worked out, you can fine tune the bolt weight/recoil spring and run pretty much any ammo. I mostly use federal bulk in my 4.5". I've also shot blazer, auto match, aguila in various flavors, Norma tac22, CCI sv, quite semi auto and mini mags of course. I'm probably forgetting a few... some were easier to tune then others, CCI quite was a real PIA starting out with good quality HV ammo will help avoid tuning frustrations.Good luck! Yeah. Getting a 22 running FRT is a chore and a half.  The solution that eventually did it for me is the Atrius with a Rise Armament Rave 140 trigger, and a Bore Buddy Super Safety trip. |
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Originally Posted By shultz: No clue if the Partisan will work for 22lr, it should but we're talking 22lr You're headed down a deep rabbit hole getting 22lr running FRT. At minimum you'll need an FA trip as you know. I'd reccomend the bore buddy FA trip as it's adjustable and worked better for me than the CMMG in my RR. Once the trip/timing issue is solved bolt bounce will be your next likely hurdle, Bore buddy's adjustable weight has worked best for me. You'll likely need more stuff Recoil Spring tuning kit was also helpful to me. Better extractor is a plus as are stronger extractor springs. Since you're already placing an order, get a spare firing pin or two and springs, for me stock firing pin springs worked best. You may need a buffer pressure plug, even if you don't it hurts nothing to have in place. Same with the charging handle insert unless your using a dedicated 22lr CH. Getting cases stuck in a regular CH is a PIA and the insert stops this. Lube is also important, I did run mine wet with oil but man the dirty 22lr powder turns any oil into a slurry quick when brrrting! I've since moved to dry lube, hornady one shot clean and lube(NOT the case lube!) Or WD40 branded dry lube works very well and works longer than oil in my experience. Added bonus, most of the carbon just wipes off when using a healthy coat of dry lube. Not sure if this will be an issue with the Partisan. When I was using an SS, just a little too much finger pressure on the trigger would result in a dead trigger. I'm using a MARC now and it's much less sensitive to this. Bottom line, treat the trigger like a lady and be gently until you know she likes it rough Use good ammo to get it functioning. CCI mini mag is probably best for this. Once you get the big bugs worked out, you can fine tune the bolt weight/recoil spring and run pretty much any ammo. I mostly use federal bulk in my 4.5". I've also shot blazer, auto match, aguila in various flavors, Norma tac22, CCI sv, quite semi auto and mini mags of course. I'm probably forgetting a few... some were easier to tune then others, CCI quite was a real PIA starting out with good quality HV ammo will help avoid tuning frustrations.Good luck! My upper hasn't been great from the get go. Before I built the upper, it was a cmmg conversion. It ran like a top with federal bulk packs in every upper I used it in. Once I bought the barrel and collar, it short strokes on the same ammo unless I keep it sloppy wet. I was actually going to see if it had the same issue with mini mags today when I discovered that it wasn't going to work on that lower. |
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@Ben posted this in the other Partisan threads: Originally Posted By Ben: If you received a trigger with a selector barrel that wasn't drilled deep enough, resulting in a "soft"/"mushy"/not distinct selector when moving between positions, please email me at Ben (a) PartisanTriggers.com with your name, shipping address, and receipt from your purchase. When our next batch of selector barrels comes in I'll make sure you receive a replacement. At the end of January I'll purge that list along with other temporary records. |
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Originally Posted By DFARM: My upper hasn't been great from the get go. Before I built the upper, it was a cmmg conversion. It ran like a top with federal bulk packs in every upper I used it in. Once I bought the barrel and collar, it short strokes on the same ammo unless I keep it sloppy wet. I was actually going to see if it had the same issue with mini mags today when I discovered that it wasn't going to work on that lower. |
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Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga: I wish they gave me a tracking number instead of requiring me to download the fucking Shopify app. I'm with you. I have enough apps. Too many apps. No more @#$%ing apps. But does that mean you got yours (or at least was able to verify yours was shipped)? |
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Originally Posted By lugnutwrench2: I'm with you. I have enough apps. Too many apps. No more @#$%ing apps. But does that mean you got yours (or at least was able to verify yours was shipped)? I think it was supposed to be delivered by today, but I can’t be sure as I don’t have a tracking number 
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Still no shipping from Cloak for me. I guess if I'm lucky it will be early next week, but at this point I'm not expecting anything until after New Years. 
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Originally Posted By DFARM: My upper hasn't been great from the get go. Before I built the upper, it was a cmmg conversion. It ran like a top with federal bulk packs in every upper I used it in. Once I bought the barrel and collar, it short strokes on the same ammo unless I keep it sloppy wet. I was actually going to see if it had the same issue with mini mags today when I discovered that it wasn't going to work on that lower. I had similar issues with my dedicated 22lr upper being less reliable than my conversion bolt. Eventually I realized it was the mags! Different mags will feed at different angles. Charge the weapon and see if the bullet hits the feed ramp too low or is shaving lead. If that is the issue try a few different types of mags, cmmg has different generations and there are a few aftermarket options. |
| My issue is usually double taps when I don't want it. I'm 99% sure it's the bolt not resetting the hammer, then the hammer following the bolt back forward. |
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Fixed the mushy selector by just hitting the detent stops with a small burr to deepen them. Much more positive clicks now. Still going to pick up a Griffin 60/120 as a replacement. I'm sure this is 100% frowned upon by Partisan but if it works it works. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Battle Hawk came through! It arrived today. My first impressions on installation and dry fire function testing: It's not as good as the Rare Breed. The trigger pull is very long, not single stage at all. It feels almost like a light double action revolver trigger. I strongly prefer the trigger pull of the Rare Breed. The selector definitely needs deeper detents. Flipping from safe to semi to FRT is gritty, and does not lock in place sharply like other high quality selectors. The right side of the selector does not have an indicator pointing to the marking on the receiver. It dry fires correctly. Racking the action in semi auto bumps the trigger forward, just like the Rare Breed, and unlike other designs like the ARC-Fire and Atrius. I'm looking forward to live firing, but my initial impressions do not say "best FRT on the market." For 66% of the price of a Rare Breed, it seems to be pretty much as good, and of course if you hate Rare Breed for their patent lawsuits you'll be delighted with this one. I'm looking forward to the mil spec clone version. https://i.imgur.com/hpNo20h.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/hpNo20h.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/H9IH7VC.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/H9IH7VC.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/2pJxC8J.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/2pJxC8J.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/ULUZGgJ.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/ULUZGgJ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/TVcJ4hr.jpeg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/TVcJ4hr.jpeg |
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Originally Posted By lugnutwrench2: Anyone heard anything from artakedowntool.com? They seem MIA. Originally Posted By lugnutwrench2: Anyone heard anything from artakedowntool.com? They seem MIA. Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga: I wish they gave me a tracking number instead of requiring me to download the fucking Shopify app  Update: I emailed them and they responded quickly. Apparently, it was a pre-order only (which wasn’t at all clear to me when I placed the order). They don’t expect receive the triggers from Partisan until after Christmas and hope to ship by the end of the year. They will send out tracking numbers when they do ship. They sound like good people doing the best they can. Oh well, it is what it is at this point. I’m less and less impressed with Partisan. They seem to have over promised and under delivered with this product. I cancelled a second order I had pending with another vendor as the initial feedback from paying customers seems to be less than stellar. |
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Yeah, I don't remember anything about a pre-order with takedowntool. Edit: I see it now. Towards the bottom of the page. "JUST LIKE THE AD READS ON ALL SOCIALS WHERE IT IS POSTED. THESE ARE PRESALES Shipping out right around the end of the year." What's with the all caps? |
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Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga: Update: I emailed them and they responded quickly. Apparently, it was a pre-order only (which wasn't at all clear to me when I placed the order). They don't expect receive the triggers from Partisan until after Christmas and hope to ship by the end of the year. They will send out tracking numbers when they do ship. They sound like good people doing the best they can. Oh well, it is what it is at this point. I'm less and less impressed with Partisan. They seem to have over promised and under delivered with this product. I cancelled a second order I had pending with another vendor as the initial feedback from paying customers seems to be less than stellar. I mean whatever nothing happens the last few weeks of the year anyway so im not shocked or upset about it. In the original big thread they (partisan) definitely oversold the availability of these. Drop date 10 days before Christmas was kind of foolish IMO and then to have them only available from places nobody has ever heard of... |
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Originally Posted By Gorton87: If someone wants to see if it works, with Ben’s approval, I’ll send one out to try. Originally Posted By Gorton87: Originally Posted By heavyduty: I was planning on using a Gorton87 selector anyway, it’s the pins I care about. If someone wants to see if it works, with Ben’s approval, I’ll send one out to try. I tested one of yours out. It works in the Partisan. 
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With that said any of the big names could possibly be modified to work. FCD, Griffin, Radian, KAC, Badger, etc. Just a heads up as I have noted in other threads, selectors are hardened steel. Regular files don’t like them. Abrasives, carbide, and diamond are going to be your friends here. |
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