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Posted: 1/20/2023 2:06:25 AM EDT
Not much info yet, just stumbled across this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnkaG50y85M/?hl=en

Cant tell much about it other than its pretty slender.



Anyone have more info?

**Edit** its a 7.62x51 class bullpup, possibly with some type of recoil mitigation system; should begin 21m:

https://youtu.be/NgfsYjlZOkY?t=1272



**Edit 2** More info, may be called the 'commando'

Link Posted: 1/20/2023 2:42:17 AM EDT
[#1]
Looks slim and I think the designer likes rails. There’s 7’ of rail space on there.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 2:47:40 AM EDT
[#2]
I'd like one
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 3:00:29 AM EDT
[#3]
Almost has like a "EM-2 if Modern" kind of look to it. I like it for the most part.

Been interested in a .308 cal Bullpup, and this one looks like it has the potential to be lightish.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 3:04:58 AM EDT
[#4]
I like the small pad, it should play nicely with armor, however will pop length of pulls
usually don’t anyways
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 6:10:02 AM EDT
[#5]
NGSW-Beretta we have at home.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 8:12:03 AM EDT
[#6]
I'm curious about their recoil spring and feed mechanism; doesn't look to be a whole lot of space behind the mag.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 10:22:10 AM EDT
[#7]
I know BRO catches a lot of flak here, but mine is probably the AR I've been most impressed with, despite it being my cheapest AR.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 10:25:50 AM EDT
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Looks like only he hammer is behind the mag (like the keltecs) ..Not the standard trigger bar to trigger pack most bullpups use.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 11:00:58 AM EDT
[#9]
holy shit. A tiny 308 thin bullpup would be fantastic for HD and truck gun duty. If one wanted/needed a small cannon.... I want one.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 11:44:31 AM EDT
[#10]
Any bets how much it'll cost?  I have no real information but I'd bet $6k ish.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 11:57:01 AM EDT
[#11]
Want.  Interesting what sort of stuff grabs all the attention at shot.  This seems really cool to me, but nary a mention of it.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 4:14:03 PM EDT
[#12]
That looks slick. Looking forward to more info.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 4:32:47 PM EDT
[#13]
I like the slim profile. A lot of bullpups look like 8 inch planks.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 4:35:26 PM EDT
[#14]
Glad to see some cool new stuff, not just more AR doo-dads
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 6:39:52 PM EDT
[#15]
Lefties...no joy...
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 7:21:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Aesthetically pleasing gun designs have been dead for 25+ years. This just continues the trend
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 8:22:25 PM EDT
[#17]
I love my Tavor 7, but it is HEAVY. The guy claims it's an entirely new operating system, not DI or piston. Sounds cool if it actually works. My guess is they never hit the market, hopefully I'm wrong.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 9:25:32 PM EDT
[#18]
300 BO or 556 and I'm in.
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 10:59:55 PM EDT
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HARRUMPH!
Link Posted: 1/20/2023 11:56:25 PM EDT
[#20]
If this is legit - I'll be buying that.

My spec:

<$2k
6.5 CM
Reliable
1.5 MOA repeatedly and holds zero
Weights less than an AUG


Interesting that he went right up to .308+, and not 5.56.    Frankly, all I want is a light weight 6.5 Grendel at <1.5MOA.  If I can get a lightweight 6.5CM at <1.5, so much the better.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 12:15:10 AM EDT
[#21]
If it weighs less than an AUG, is reliable, and is 1.5 MOA consistent with good ammo, I'm all aboard for a .308 model. Might even be a worthwhile replacement for my AUG to make better use of the open spaces and high wind in my area.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 12:45:29 AM EDT
[#22]
I don't see how it could weigh less than the AUG.

AUG extended rail: 7.8lbs

SCAR 17: 8lbs

M17 .308: 8.2lbs

Tavor 7 weight: 9.04lbs



Link Posted: 1/21/2023 12:54:32 AM EDT
[#23]
Yeah, I doubt it will be, but it would be nice.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 1:39:19 AM EDT
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SCAR 17: 8lbs

M17 .308: 8.2lbs

Tavor 7 weight: 9.04lbs



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If they used a lithium-aluminum alloy for the body, maybe. Titanium carrier…
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 1:55:03 AM EDT
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SCAR 17: 8lbs

M17 .308: 8.2lbs

Tavor 7 weight: 9.04lbs



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RDB: 6.8 lb.   So with some thought, 1lb weight drop was achieved vs the AUG.  AUGs are heavy.

MDRx is 8.3lb.  Drop a lb off of that (not hard to do), and you're at 7.3lb.  His sample he's handling, assuming not a bullshit prop (it happens), looks considerably lighter and sleeker.  Which is lighter than an AUG.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 2:14:52 AM EDT
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RDB: 6.8 lb.   So with some thought, 1lb weight drop was achieved vs the AUG.  AUGs are heavy.

MDRx is 8.3lb.  Drop a lb off of that (not hard to do), and you're at 7.3lb.  His sample he's handling, assuming not a bullshit prop (it happens), looks considerably lighter and sleeker.  Which is lighter than an AUG.
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I don't see how it could weigh less than the AUG.

AUG extended rail: 7.8lbs

SCAR 17: 8lbs

M17 .308: 8.2lbs

Tavor 7 weight: 9.04lbs





RDB: 6.8 lb.   So with some thought, 1lb weight drop was achieved vs the AUG.  AUGs are heavy.

MDRx is 8.3lb.  Drop a lb off of that (not hard to do), and you're at 7.3lb.  His sample he's handling, assuming not a bullshit prop (it happens), looks considerably lighter and sleeker.  Which is lighter than an AUG.


Keltec's are consistently among the lightest rifles/pistols in the world though.

And even their RFB .308 is 8.1-8.7lbs (conflicting specs are published.)

Heres a master list of 5.56 rifle weights I've compiled. For piston driven military rifles, theres nearly as many heavier rifles than the AUG as there are lighter ones.

LE6920: 6.29LBS
M4A1 FN: 6.36LBS
S+T BR18 14.5”: 6.39bs
M4A2 416 barrel: 6.5lbs
KAK SR15 Mod 2: 6.55lbs
LWRC IC DI: 6.6lbs
KelTec RDB: 6.7lbs
ARX 100: 6.8LBS
T91 16”: 6.99lbs
ST BR18 20”: 7.05lbs
Thales F90: 7.17lbs
SCAR 16S: 7.25lbs
LWRC IC-A5: 7.3lbs
ACR: 7.3lbs
Arsenal SLR-106: 7.3lbs
CZ Bren 2 MS: 7.3lbs
K17 Bullpup: 7.4lbs
LMT CQB16: 7.45lbs
F2000 Tactical: 7.47lbs
Thales F90 20”: 7.47lbs
SG 551: 7.48
SIG Spear LT: 7.5lbs
HK416A5 14.5” - 7.69lbs
HOWA T98: 7.7lbs
HK 433 16”: 7.72LBS
AK-12: 7.72lbs
Aug A3 M1 High Rail: 7.8lbs
HK 416 a5 16” : 7.85lbs
Tavor X95 16: 7.9lbs
Tavor SAR 16: 7.9lbs
SIG MCX Virtus: 7.9lbs
Haenel MK556: 7.94lbs
AK-101 5.56: 7.94lbs
ACE 23 18”: 7.94lbs
VHS Hellion: 8lbs
HK G36V 18”:; 8lbs
MSBS GROT: 8.05lbs
M96 Beryl: 8.05lbs
IWI Carmel: 8.125lbs
Steyr STM556: 8.15lbs
VHS-K2: 8.17lbs
MSBS Bullpup: 8.27lbs
L85A2 20” - 8.4lbs

I'd say if BRO is able to hit 8lbs with their new 7.62 Bullpup that would be a huge success.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 2:23:21 AM EDT
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Keltec's are consistently among the lightest rifles/pistols in the world though.

And even their RFB .308 is 8.1-8.7lbs (conflicting specs are published.)

Heres a master list of 5.56 rifle weights I've compiled. For piston driven military rifles, theres nearly as many heavier rifles than the AUG as there are lighter ones.

LE6920: 6.29LBS
M4A1 FN: 6.36LBS
S+T BR18 14.5”: 6.39bs
M4A2 416 barrel: 6.5lbs
KAK SR15 Mod 2: 6.55lbs
LWRC IC DI: 6.6lbs
KelTec RDB: 6.7lbs
ARX 100: 6.8LBS
T91 16”: 6.99lbs
ST BR18 20”: 7.05lbs
Thales F90: 7.17lbs
SCAR 16S: 7.25lbs
LWRC IC-A5: 7.3lbs
ACR: 7.3lbs
Arsenal SLR-106: 7.3lbs
CZ Bren 2 MS: 7.3lbs
K17 Bullpup: 7.4lbs
LMT CQB16: 7.45lbs
F2000 Tactical: 7.47lbs
Thales F90 20”: 7.47lbs
SG 551: 7.48
SIG Spear LT: 7.5lbs
HK416A5 14.5” - 7.69lbs
HOWA T98: 7.7lbs
HK 433 16”: 7.72LBS
AK-12: 7.72lbs
Aug A3 M1 High Rail: 7.8lbs
HK 416 a5 16” : 7.85lbs
Tavor X95 16: 7.9lbs
Tavor SAR 16: 7.9lbs
SIG MCX Virtus: 7.9lbs
Haenel MK556: 7.94lbs
AK-101 5.56: 7.94lbs
ACE 23 18”: 7.94lbs
VHS Hellion: 8lbs
HK G36V 18”:; 8lbs
MSBS GROT: 8.05lbs
M96 Beryl: 8.05lbs
IWI Carmel: 8.125lbs
Steyr STM556: 8.15lbs
VHS-K2: 8.17lbs
MSBS Bullpup: 8.27lbs
L85A2 20” - 8.4lbs

I'd say if BRO is able to hit 8lbs with their new 7.62 Bullpup that would be a huge success.
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I don't see how it could weigh less than the AUG.

AUG extended rail: 7.8lbs

SCAR 17: 8lbs

M17 .308: 8.2lbs

Tavor 7 weight: 9.04lbs





RDB: 6.8 lb.   So with some thought, 1lb weight drop was achieved vs the AUG.  AUGs are heavy.

MDRx is 8.3lb.  Drop a lb off of that (not hard to do), and you're at 7.3lb.  His sample he's handling, assuming not a bullshit prop (it happens), looks considerably lighter and sleeker.  Which is lighter than an AUG.


Keltec's are consistently among the lightest rifles/pistols in the world though.

And even their RFB .308 is 8.1-8.7lbs (conflicting specs are published.)

Heres a master list of 5.56 rifle weights I've compiled. For piston driven military rifles, theres nearly as many heavier rifles than the AUG as there are lighter ones.

LE6920: 6.29LBS
M4A1 FN: 6.36LBS
S+T BR18 14.5”: 6.39bs
M4A2 416 barrel: 6.5lbs
KAK SR15 Mod 2: 6.55lbs
LWRC IC DI: 6.6lbs
KelTec RDB: 6.7lbs
ARX 100: 6.8LBS
T91 16”: 6.99lbs
ST BR18 20”: 7.05lbs
Thales F90: 7.17lbs
SCAR 16S: 7.25lbs
LWRC IC-A5: 7.3lbs
ACR: 7.3lbs
Arsenal SLR-106: 7.3lbs
CZ Bren 2 MS: 7.3lbs
K17 Bullpup: 7.4lbs
LMT CQB16: 7.45lbs
F2000 Tactical: 7.47lbs
Thales F90 20”: 7.47lbs
SG 551: 7.48
SIG Spear LT: 7.5lbs
HK416A5 14.5” - 7.69lbs
HOWA T98: 7.7lbs
HK 433 16”: 7.72LBS
AK-12: 7.72lbs
Aug A3 M1 High Rail: 7.8lbs
HK 416 a5 16” : 7.85lbs
Tavor X95 16: 7.9lbs
Tavor SAR 16: 7.9lbs
SIG MCX Virtus: 7.9lbs
Haenel MK556: 7.94lbs
AK-101 5.56: 7.94lbs
ACE 23 18”: 7.94lbs
VHS Hellion: 8lbs
HK G36V 18”:; 8lbs
MSBS GROT: 8.05lbs
M96 Beryl: 8.05lbs
IWI Carmel: 8.125lbs
Steyr STM556: 8.15lbs
VHS-K2: 8.17lbs
MSBS Bullpup: 8.27lbs
L85A2 20” - 8.4lbs

I'd say if BRO is able to hit 8lbs with their new 7.62 Bullpup that would be a huge success.

Sure I'll agree.  And I think he's going to do even better then that.  I can't wait to see this.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 2:54:19 AM EDT
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Sure I'll agree.  And I think he's going to do even better then that.  I can't wait to see this.
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I don't see how it could weigh less than the AUG.

AUG extended rail: 7.8lbs

SCAR 17: 8lbs

M17 .308: 8.2lbs

Tavor 7 weight: 9.04lbs





RDB: 6.8 lb.   So with some thought, 1lb weight drop was achieved vs the AUG.  AUGs are heavy.

MDRx is 8.3lb.  Drop a lb off of that (not hard to do), and you're at 7.3lb.  His sample he's handling, assuming not a bullshit prop (it happens), looks considerably lighter and sleeker.  Which is lighter than an AUG.


Keltec's are consistently among the lightest rifles/pistols in the world though.

And even their RFB .308 is 8.1-8.7lbs (conflicting specs are published.)

Heres a master list of 5.56 rifle weights I've compiled. For piston driven military rifles, theres nearly as many heavier rifles than the AUG as there are lighter ones.

LE6920: 6.29LBS
M4A1 FN: 6.36LBS
S+T BR18 14.5”: 6.39bs
M4A2 416 barrel: 6.5lbs
KAK SR15 Mod 2: 6.55lbs
LWRC IC DI: 6.6lbs
KelTec RDB: 6.7lbs
ARX 100: 6.8LBS
T91 16”: 6.99lbs
ST BR18 20”: 7.05lbs
Thales F90: 7.17lbs
SCAR 16S: 7.25lbs
LWRC IC-A5: 7.3lbs
ACR: 7.3lbs
Arsenal SLR-106: 7.3lbs
CZ Bren 2 MS: 7.3lbs
K17 Bullpup: 7.4lbs
LMT CQB16: 7.45lbs
F2000 Tactical: 7.47lbs
Thales F90 20”: 7.47lbs
SG 551: 7.48
SIG Spear LT: 7.5lbs
HK416A5 14.5” - 7.69lbs
HOWA T98: 7.7lbs
HK 433 16”: 7.72LBS
AK-12: 7.72lbs
Aug A3 M1 High Rail: 7.8lbs
HK 416 a5 16” : 7.85lbs
Tavor X95 16: 7.9lbs
Tavor SAR 16: 7.9lbs
SIG MCX Virtus: 7.9lbs
Haenel MK556: 7.94lbs
AK-101 5.56: 7.94lbs
ACE 23 18”: 7.94lbs
VHS Hellion: 8lbs
HK G36V 18”:; 8lbs
MSBS GROT: 8.05lbs
M96 Beryl: 8.05lbs
IWI Carmel: 8.125lbs
Steyr STM556: 8.15lbs
VHS-K2: 8.17lbs
MSBS Bullpup: 8.27lbs
L85A2 20” - 8.4lbs

I'd say if BRO is able to hit 8lbs with their new 7.62 Bullpup that would be a huge success.

Sure I'll agree.  And I think he's going to do even better then that.  I can't wait to see this.


I'm rooting for you to be right

I just don't want us throwing tomatoes at this guy if he doesn't manage to make his .308 bullpup lighter then a 5.56 bullpup.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 4:17:52 AM EDT
[#29]
Love the external look. But I'm skeptical.
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Firstly bullpups are bulky. Sure they're shorter but the bulk is rough to deal with sometimes especially in a 5.56. I sold a Tavor in favor of a 11.5" AR SBR build a few years back and it was like one of the best decisions ever. Shorty 5.56" ars or so sleek and handy these days they're hard to beat in any bullpup even with the longer barrel length.  But that changes a lot in 308. 308 being a bigger platform already the bullpup idea starts to shine through some more, couple that with the sleekness of this particular design I think this could be very very handy. But the fact it's a "new hybrid" system and rep makes these claims that seem a bit overzealous makes me a bit skeptical. It's like we've seen so many bullpups come and go and they couldn't do the things they said they would in 5.56 alone and from big manufacturers....seems odd that this rifle from this smaller company is going to make one in 50bmg, 338 lapua, 308...etc, in a new system is going to work out better than say the Desert Tech debacle.
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That being said I want this rifle to be greatest 308 bullpup ever. Hell I want it to be the greatest bullpup ever, lol.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 12:22:39 PM EDT
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I am actually uncertain if BRO is a smaller company that Desert Tech.  Their website has 34 product lines, they were able to outsource the design of their Rifle in less than a year including a functional prototype at shot show.

The signs I am seeing is that BRO may be significantly larger than DT.

I found this article from 4 years ago.

https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/local_news/black-rain-ordnance-hits-10-year-mark/article_db15d246-4cc8-5568-b4db-7b9a6f4db40a.html#:~:text=From%20those%20humble%20beginnings%2C%20their,shop%2C%20offices%20and%20retail%20space.

If it is true it would most most likely be out producing Desert Tech by at least a factor of 10:1 as current estimates of MDRx's are about 1000 per year based on serial numbers.  On top of thay they sell in big box stores.

I think Desert Tech is sweating.

As far as operating system goes, he said it was a hybrid system in the shot show video.  So I am guessing it operates like the Perun.

https://youtu.be/zFR2zHfLZqc
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 3:58:56 PM EDT
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I am actually uncertain if BRO is a smaller company that Desert Tech.  Their website has 34 product lines, they were able to outsource the design of their Rifle in less than a year including a functional prototype at shot show.

The signs I am seeing is that BRO may he significantly larger than DT.

I found this article from 4 years ago.

https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/local_news/black-rain-ordnance-hits-10-year-mark/article_db15d246-4cc8-5568-b4db-7b9a6f4db40a.html#:~:text=From%20those%20humble%20beginnings%2C%20their,shop%2C%20offices%20and%20retail%20space.

If it is true it would most most likely be out producing Desert Tech by at least a factor of 10:1 as current estimates of MDRx's are about 1000 per year based on serial numbers.  On top of thay they sell in big box stores.

I think Desert Tech is sweating.

As far as operating system goes, he said it was a hybrid system in the shot show video.  So I am guessing it operates like the Perun.

https://youtu.be/zFR2zHfLZqc
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Wow thanks for posting that. That Perun is a really cool system, smart. Hopefully your suspicion is correct and this bull pup uses something similar.
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 6:18:01 PM EDT
[#32]
It looks like a metal pipe but if it delivers what they are saying I’m on board!
Link Posted: 1/21/2023 6:24:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Notice there is a video/PowerPoint running in the background of the Classic Firearms footage. Unfortunately much of it is obscured by the presenter.

I think it's called the Commando Series.

EDIT: Yep. https://www.instagram.com/p/CnsCwmlP3R_/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Link Posted: 1/22/2023 12:48:08 AM EDT
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Notice there is a video/PowerPoint running in the background of the Classic Firearms footage. Unfortunately much of it is obscured by the presenter.

I think it's called the Commando Series.

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Great find.

I've added the image to the OP.

Link Posted: 1/22/2023 12:55:01 AM EDT
[#35]
This fellow 'Sawman' seems to be the inventor or spokesman:



Super long bullpup configuration looks awesome:

Link Posted: 1/22/2023 12:59:15 AM EDT
[#36]
I'm not really digging his way of marketing it, hoping the rifle isn't as snakeoil feeling as his way of hyping it up.
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 1:05:27 AM EDT
[#37]
I want one.

But I want everything
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 1:15:45 AM EDT
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The guy is pretty excited, but if I would be too if someone built one of my firearms ideas.

(btw if anyone would like to invest in a single stack, ultra thin longslide pistol in 32NAA +p+ that will be marketed as 'The Stiletto' please DM me )
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 2:20:34 AM EDT
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His style of writing reminds me a lot of this kooky guy who used to be on bullpupforum hyping 6.5g in every thread. He claimed he had a bullpup design that was better than anything else, but wouldn't share details and he had a very difficult time communicating his thoughts without coming across as abrasive. If it really is him, I'll have a good laugh.
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 2:35:01 AM EDT
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His style of writing reminds me a lot of this kooky guy who used to be on bullpupforum hyping 6.5g in every thread. He claimed he had a bullpup design that was better than anything else, but wouldn't share details and he had a very difficult time communicating his thoughts without coming across as abrasive. If it really is him, I'll have a good laugh.
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I remember seeing those posts on BPF, got the same feeling as this guy's marketing. Hit the nail on the head as to why it rubbed me the wrong way.
If it is him, I'd have expected one in 6.5 Grendel with how he was.
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 3:17:43 AM EDT
[#41]
first things i notice:
carrier travels a similar distance to conventional rifles, unlike most bullpups which have unusually long travel

designed by people who understand what's going on with AR and bolt gun trends based on the slimness

the "totally new bolt" is probably a square 4 lug design. in a way it's very obvious to make 4 lug bolts from a manufacturing perspective, always curious why nobody did it

i suspect the "hybrid" between long stroke and DI is similar to what the tavor does

the gas tube is the top rail, which is what allows the height over bore to be so low. this can be seen on the TV in the background

the handguard does not contact the trunnion. good for accuracy

length of pull still unusually long like all bullpups. that trigger could be quite a bit farther back


i like it. senex is gonna have to move over if this thing is worth a shit
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 9:40:28 AM EDT
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first things i notice:
carrier travels a similar distance to conventional rifles, unlike most bullpups which have unusually long travel

designed by people who understand what's going on with AR and bolt gun trends based on the slimness

the "totally new bolt" is probably a square 4 lug design. in a way it's very obvious to make 4 lug bolts from a manufacturing perspective, always curious why nobody did it

i suspect the "hybrid" between long stroke and DI is similar to what the tavor does

the gas tube is the top rail, which is what allows the height over bore to be so low. this can be seen on the TV in the background

the handguard does not contact the trunnion. good for accuracy

length of pull still unusually long like all bullpups. that trigger could be quite a bit farther back


i like it. senex is gonna have to move over if this thing is worth a shit
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100% Agree. I'm still excited about Senex, but this is more a step forward, whereas Senex brings best of breed compatibility.

I would say I want to get both, but truth is I will probably only be able to afford one.

One thing I'll add, Sawyer does have a good reputation. So even if he is a little bit over the top on the "SEAL sniper" thing, I think he's the real deal and does know a thing or two about how to run a gun.

Link Posted: 1/22/2023 11:37:01 AM EDT
[#43]
First glance I thought he's knocking off the K&M rifle, appearance-wise at least!
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 2:21:36 PM EDT
[#44]
The key advantage to a bullpup is a full length barrel in an SBR size. 16" barrel and shorter than a 10.5" AR.And getting better ballistics out of the longer barrel.
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 3:11:08 PM EDT
[#45]
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First glance I thought he's knocking off the K&M rifle, appearance-wise at least!
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I mean..They all look similar..But with that rather short rear end, there def is no trigger pack back there.Just the hammer.

And the K&N was originally a bushmaster m17.
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 5:11:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Looks pretty cool. Hope it works out. We need more bullpup players out there. Wish it would have been at range day
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 5:18:15 PM EDT
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Looks pretty cool. Hope it works out. We need more bullpup players out there. Wish it would have been at range day
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Yea,  that's a bit of a tell
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 8:24:09 PM EDT
[#48]
I'll echo the sentiment that it's nice to finally see a slim new bullpup design, although the LOP looks rather long.
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 10:22:46 PM EDT
[#49]
Tfb covers the rifle..still light on details
A Sci-Fi Bullpup Battle Rifle from Black Rain Ordnance?
Link Posted: 1/22/2023 10:44:51 PM EDT
[#50]
Holy Cow.

1.  Multi cal
2.  Optics rail is bolted to barrel
3.  Quick change barrel (presumably)
4.  Composite chassis
5.  Aluminum option
6.  2023 for sale
7.  $1000 to $3000 price depending on features
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