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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:03:47 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:30:44 PM EST
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Using 5.7 and they are not using mp7 mags. Dead to me.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:43:34 PM EST
[#2]
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Using 5.7 and they are not using mp7 mags. Dead to me. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:43:34 PM EST
[#3]
Cool
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:45:14 PM EST
[#4]
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Using 5.7 and they are not using mp7 mags. Dead to me. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:46:15 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It says its using all MP7 parts.. ETA: Reading comments it's a different magazine follower? New mag entirely just looks similar? I dunno. Judging by there instragram account and their copious use of caveman style marketing, I'm not getting my hopes up. Although they seem to be working with Tommybuilt who I know is legit so maybe it'll be alright. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see civi mp7s though. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 10:13:51 PM EST
[#6]
Yes please.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 10:36:07 PM EST
[#7]
I recognize 2 of the parties hashtagged....
Guess we will see if its quality, i could see myself owning one |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 11:48:24 PM EST
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The company reeks of Todd Bailey down to the dead website and no real contact info. Omega tried to separate themselves from Todd with Wade trying to separate himself from his family. They used hkparts as a intermediate but thanks to Adam from HKparts being a pile of shit we know they didn't buy Todd Bailey's operation like people originally thought. Todd wrote to the judge as independence parts explaining how hk parts buys his entire production from that company. That told us Todd is still in the game and Omega's claims of separation are not as they seem. I just wish the Bailey clan would be open with everyone. By many accounts Wade is making a good product. Looks like gsg9 is making their omega receivers and the parts for the g36 stuff for tommy built. They have said that the coharie arms ca-416 is there predecessor(which everyone knew the tooling was coharie/titan defense).
I'm guessing Todd Bailey is still involved in GSG9 due to everything else. Now this doesn't mean that the parts will be bad, some of the stuff he made was good. It does make me wonder if you will have any support if something does go wrong though. It sucks as I'd be kinda interested in this gun. Hell I even like the idea of it firing 5.7 ammo as it's more common(and I have a ps90). The questionable background makes a gun that expensive a no go for me. I'd rather not be burned for as much as that will cost when I could buy a really nice gun in the same range. Edit: Yep it is a Todd Bailey operation still. The corp info. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 8:58:05 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It says its using all MP7 parts.. So take the IG post with a grain of salt. If they claim all parts are interchangeable then say they are not using a major component like the magazine's I'd wonder what else won't be comparable. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:21:19 AM EST
[#10]
as much as owning an MP7 would be cool, this one doesnt look like its off to a good start.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:44:42 AM EST
[#11]
lol
Pass. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:56:45 AM EST
[#12]
If they are going to reinvent the wheel just to get it to market, I still would rather just have a Umarex 22LR clone.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:44:26 AM EST
[#13]
I still would love to have a MP7 clone chambered in .22 MAG.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:18:48 PM EST
[#14]
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I still would love to have a MP7 clone chambered in .22 MAG. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:44:49 PM EST
[#15]
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If they are going to reinvent the wheel just to get it to market, I still would rather just have a Umarex 22LR clone. Although, to be fair, 5.7 is more in line with the original purpose of the MP7 and more available than 4.6 |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:44:58 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, a SBR CMR-30? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:51:42 PM EST
[#17]
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I would also have preferred to see it in a 9/40/357 configuration. Although, to be fair, 5.7 is more in line with the original purpose of the MP7 and more available than 4.6 |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:53:06 PM EST
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The company reeks of Todd Bailey down to the dead website and no real contact info. Omega tried to separate themselves from Todd with Wade trying to separate himself from his family. They used hkparts as a intermediate but thanks to Adam from HKparts being a pile of shit we know they didn't buy Todd Bailey's operation like people originally thought. Todd wrote to the judge as independence parts explaining how hk parts buys his entire production from that company. That told us Todd is still in the game and Omega's claims of separation are not as they seem. I just wish the Bailey clan would be open with everyone. By many accounts Wade is making a good product. Looks like gsg9 is making their omega receivers and the parts for the g36 stuff for tommy built. They have said that the coharie arms ca-416 is there predecessor(which everyone knew the tooling was coharie/titan defense). I'm guessing Todd Bailey is still involved in GSG9 due to everything else. Now this doesn't mean that the parts will be bad, some of the stuff he made was good. It does make me wonder if you will have any support if something does go wrong though. It sucks as I'd be kinda interested in this gun. Hell I even like the idea of it firing 5.7 ammo as it's more common(and I have a ps90). The questionable background makes a gun that expensive a no go for me. I'd rather not be burned for as much as that will cost when I could buy a really nice gun in the same range. Edit: Yep it is a Todd Bailey operation still. The corp info. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:56:30 PM EST
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I would also have preferred to see it in a 9/40/357 configuration. Although, to be fair, 5.7 is more in line with the original purpose of the MP7 and more available than 4.6 |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:29:40 PM EST
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I would also have preferred to see it in a 9/40/357 configuration. Although, to be fair, 5.7 is more in line with the original purpose of the MP7 and more available than 4.6 This potential 5.7 clone offering will be a caliber shift clone that most likely ships as a feature-stripped pistol for $2500, which will then need the folding front grip and stock purchased separately (at who knows the availability or cost), possibly also not have the unique MP7 flip sights (again those HK sights are pretty rare and expensive), plus the NFA paperwork, plus extra frankenmags, putting you most likely well over 3 grand. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 2:08:09 PM EST
[#21]
While not 100%, the LWRC folding grip is pretty close in size/asthetic. I have one on my 7.5 SBR, I like it.
I've always wanted an mp7, I'll be keeping an eye out |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 2:18:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The main reason I want an Umarex 22LR clone is because it would most likely be a simple blowback 22 clone gun like all their others, a simple action inside a plastic shell. And it would most likely come with most of the features of the real gun intact (folding grip, collapsing stock, flip up sights, etc.) but it would come in at like $500 out the door like all their clones, and most likely use Umarex' common long barrel system which would mean a really long pencil barrel under a fake can that you could disassemble and easily cut down for SBR use (or Umarex or another aftermarket company could sell conversion barrel kits)... giving you a decent enough plinker clone for well under a grand that would check enough of the boxes to satisfy me. This potential 5.7 clone offering will be a caliber shift clone that most likely ships as a feature-stripped pistol for $2500, which will then need the folding front grip and stock purchased separately (at who knows the availability or cost), possibly also not have the unique MP7 flip sights (again those HK sights are pretty rare and expensive), plus the NFA paperwork, plus extra frankenmags, putting you most likely well over 3 grand. I, personally, really don't have any interest in just buying the form factor. If I did I'd just buy airsoft guns instead. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 4:10:51 PM EST
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I completely understand that. I, personally, really don't have any interest in just buying the form factor. If I did I'd just buy airsoft guns instead. As a self appointed SMG / PDW douchebag collector fanatic, it is all about the minutia. I'd rather have a very close to form cheap clone in 22LR than an expensive kitbash clone in some other caliber. At least the Umarex is a firearm and not an airsoft... lord knows there are tons of SMGs I'll never have a chance to own that are available as airsoft that I have to restrain myself from purchasing. -Ideally- I want a real HK made semi auto MP7 in 4.6mm... but the odds of that are between impossible and improbable. In my mind the next logical step is a licensed Umarex clone that has the correct dimensions, functions and markings. Very very low on my list of wants is a feature-neutered domestic pistol clone kitbashed into a different caliber by a company many have never heard of who may or may not be a front for a company I personally will never do business with again. Plus I imagine HK will defend their intellectual property on a modern design in court... it isn't like these are half century old MP5 designs or multiple decades old UMPs. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 6:47:14 PM EST
[#24]
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Meh to all that, if the gun gets good reviews im interested. Very little contact info is usually a bad sign. What happens if you need warranty support? Whats parts support going to be like? It seems like every few years people start defending Todd again with his new business saying stuff has changed and then we hear about people getting screwed by him again. It sucks because he is at least trying to get clone parts/systems out. I just wish it was someone else doing it that isn't scum like him. Don't get me wrong, I want this to be good. I'd love to have a semi auto mp7 sbr in 5.7 as I have a ps90 and that ammo is easier to get than the ammo a real mp7 takes. History tells us that this probability isn't going to happen. I can think of like 8 companies off the top of my head he has hid behind. I've also seen a bolt carrier of his from hk parts and its nothing like the rcm or real hk ones. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 8:06:12 PM EST
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My problem is it seems like business as usual for them. Make a new company to escape the bad name of the old. Claim your stuff is better and everything else is junk(saw them claim they have tested their barrels on the hk416 clone to like 90k rounds saying how others will fail at 20k) collect everyones money and run and hide when their shoddy product doesn't meet expectations. Make a new company and start again. Very little contact info is usually a bad sign. What happens if you need warranty support? Whats parts support going to be like? It seems like every few years people start defending Todd again with his new business saying stuff has changed and then we hear about people getting screwed by him again. It sucks because he is at least trying to get clone parts/systems out. I just wish it was someone else doing it that isn't scum like him. Don't get me wrong, I want this to be good. I'd love to have a semi auto mp7 sbr in 5.7 as I have a ps90 and that ammo is easier to get than the ammo a real mp7 takes. History tells us that this probability isn't going to happen. I can think of like 8 companies off the top of my head he has hid behind. I've also seen a bolt carrier of his from hk parts and its nothing like the rcm or real hk ones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh to all that, if the gun gets good reviews im interested. Very little contact info is usually a bad sign. What happens if you need warranty support? Whats parts support going to be like? It seems like every few years people start defending Todd again with his new business saying stuff has changed and then we hear about people getting screwed by him again. It sucks because he is at least trying to get clone parts/systems out. I just wish it was someone else doing it that isn't scum like him. Don't get me wrong, I want this to be good. I'd love to have a semi auto mp7 sbr in 5.7 as I have a ps90 and that ammo is easier to get than the ammo a real mp7 takes. History tells us that this probability isn't going to happen. I can think of like 8 companies off the top of my head he has hid behind. I've also seen a bolt carrier of his from hk parts and its nothing like the rcm or real hk ones. Its nice to see competition building in a race to rip off old HK designs....maybe it will light a fire under their ass to find loopholes in goofy german gun laws and bring more to market. not holding my breath though. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:11:09 PM EST
[#26]
Pass.
But this will be a hit with the Call of Duty guys (paging Jack G.) if it makes it to market. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:15:36 PM EST
[#27]
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Yes. In a MP7 formfactor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So, a SBR CMR-30? It you are looking for a fun SBR that is something different than another AR, the CMR is a great little host. That said, if the new MP7 clone gets decent review I would be tempted. At first pass I think I would actually prefer FN 5.7 as it is a common caliber to my P90 SBR. My CMR30 SBR  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:19:14 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The company reeks of Todd Bailey down to the dead website and no real contact info. Omega tried to separate themselves from Todd with Wade trying to separate himself from his family. They used hkparts as a intermediate but thanks to Adam from HKparts being a pile of shit we know they didn't buy Todd Bailey's operation like people originally thought. Todd wrote to the judge as independence parts explaining how hk parts buys his entire production from that company. That told us Todd is still in the game and Omega's claims of separation are not as they seem. I just wish the Bailey clan would be open with everyone. By many accounts Wade is making a good product. Looks like gsg9 is making their omega receivers and the parts for the g36 stuff for tommy built. They have said that the coharie arms ca-416 is there predecessor(which everyone knew the tooling was coharie/titan defense). I'm guessing Todd Bailey is still involved in GSG9 due to everything else. Now this doesn't mean that the parts will be bad, some of the stuff he made was good. It does make me wonder if you will have any support if something does go wrong though. It sucks as I'd be kinda interested in this gun. Hell I even like the idea of it firing 5.7 ammo as it's more common(and I have a ps90). The questionable background makes a gun that expensive a no go for me. I'd rather not be burned for as much as that will cost when I could buy a really nice gun in the same range. Edit: Yep it is a Todd Bailey operation still. The corp info. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 5:18:57 PM EST
[#29]
I don’t mind it in 5.7, ive already got that for my five seven and PS90 SBR. I’m not privy to all the company drama. If they can make an MP7 clone that works well, and street prices in the teens, I’d probably jump.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 6:46:02 PM EST
[#30]
Who would actually perform armorer services for a MP7 ??? It would be an enormous investment in equipment IF HK sold you the admirers tools.
How much is a parts kit going for? Is HK shipping demo post-samples to departments only? Working with an airsoft manufacturer on a .22lr seems like a mass market option. The KWA MP7 is an airsoft gun I'm not ashamed of owning because there is zero chance I'll have a chance to ever buy a real one. Same thing with the Tokyo Marui Type 89 |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 7:35:16 PM EST
[#31]
This photo killed the MP7 for me.
I liked it because it was small, compact and lightweight. It seems smaller and lighter than anything else out there due to the magazine pistol grip arrangement. I always liked the idea of a "1 handed gun" sub gun. Something I can shoot or keep on target while my other hand is doing something else. But seeing this, I look at mp7s and go "meh" now. Maybe it balances slightly better than some other options but that's about it.  Attached FileAt this point I'd rather have a TP9-N. Smaller, lighter and cheaper to shoot than a MP7 clone. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 10:08:08 AM EST
[#32]
AH!!!!! My wiener!!! I hope this is true...
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Posted: 2/24/2018 8:23:58 PM EST
[#33]
I’m excited and disappointed at the same time. I just wish it was true clone, using the same mags, parts, and caliber. Ignore I really want a 5.7, I’ll buy a PS90. The appeal is the caliber and the cool factor. Wihout it being the correct caliber, some of the appeal is lessened imo.
I’d still love to get my hands on one though |
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Posted: 2/25/2018 6:25:52 AM EST
[#34]
Any new info on this????
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Posted: 2/25/2018 7:04:55 AM EST
[#35]
I think it's a great idea that is uses 5.7x28, and I'm very interested in snagging one.
There's way, way more ammo and projectile options for 5.7 then there is for 4.6. |
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Posted: 2/25/2018 7:04:31 PM EST
[#36]
Eh. Not interested as it stands now. May change depending on how this shapes up. If I already had 5.7 stuff I'd be more accepting of the caliber change, but I don't, so I'm not. 4.6 is pretty much the defining feature of the MP7.
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Posted: 2/25/2018 10:12:22 PM EST
[#37]
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Eh. Not interested as it stands now. May change depending on how this shapes up. If I already had 5.7 stuff I'd be more accepting of the caliber change, but I don't, so I'm not. 4.6 is pretty much the defining feature of the MP7. Screw 4.6. Not saying I'm a buyer but I understand making it in 5.7 |
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Posted: 2/25/2018 11:29:38 PM EST
[#38]
The people bitching about it not being 4.6 wouldn't buy it in 4.6 as a clone anyways.
5.7 is similar enough and makes way more sense. One small company making 4.6 guns isn't going to drive any ammo manufacturers to tool up for the round. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 12:43:19 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You wouldn't take a MP5 in 10mm or SCAR in 6.5creedmoor or an AR in 300blk? Screw 4.6. Not saying I'm a buyer but I understand making it in 5.7 |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 1:16:56 AM EST
[#40]
Got to play with a MP7 just last week this looks identical and would perfectly pair up with my FN 5.7!
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:55:12 AM EST
[#41]
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Got to play with a MP7 just last week this looks identical and would perfectly pair up with my FN 5.7! Not their production clone. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 2:48:47 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You wouldn't take a MP5 in 10mm or SCAR in 6.5creedmoor or an AR in 300blk? Screw 4.6. Not saying I'm a buyer but I understand making it in 5.7 |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 3:26:45 PM EST
[#43]
I hope Todd makes an appearance.
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Posted: 2/26/2018 3:55:42 PM EST
[#44]
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Is take it in 5.7 over 4.6. Who even makes 4.6 ammo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You wouldn't take a MP5 in 10mm or SCAR in 6.5creedmoor or an AR in 300blk? Screw 4.6. Not saying I'm a buyer but I understand making it in 5.7 |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 8:11:14 PM EST
[#45]
I'm sorry. But what an ugly, ugly gun.
ETA: it looks like it has the ergonomics of an uzi. 
ETA II: oh man, the projectile is barely larger in diameter than a .177 pellet?! 
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:08:41 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You wouldn't take a MP5 in 10mm or SCAR in 6.5creedmoor or an AR in 300blk? Screw 4.6. Not saying I'm a buyer but I understand making it in 5.7 Again, if I already had 5.7 stuff I wouldn't write it off. But if I'm getting myself into a new caliber anyway, I want the one the gun was built around. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:36:06 PM EST
[#47]
Oh nice. I’d be in for one.
I’m already vested in reloading 5.7 & have a shit ton of brass. Would really like to see this come to market wether HK or a very close clone. To be fair it would fill a niche role for me and I’m ok with that. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:55:14 PM EST
[#48]
When does 4.7mm get fun? Seriously.
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:01:16 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When does 4.7mm get fun? Seriously. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:11:54 AM EST
[#50]
One of the Tailhook braces could be fitted to this, and still have the same basic stock functions, couldn't it?
I'm talking of just the end of the Tailhook, not the entire thing, by the way. |
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