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Posted: 3/8/2023 7:26:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As for gloating, I was referring to myself. I love having a M500M MILS just like I used while I was in the service, and a contract overrun M500A rebuilt into a M500A2 MEK like what is currently used for breaching. But I feel the need to point out that what we the consumer often prefer is not what is actually best. I use the Beretta example to point out how the military considers the polymer guide rod a functional improvement, while most consumers see it as the company cheapening the product. Got it. I suppose I fit that category when it comes to black guns; such as polymer rails and trigger guard. Not for me. add: I need to learn the nomenclatures and what each represents. I'm clueless there. I did nukes in the service and rarely handled a weapon. We had MP's with infantry roaming when we were out. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 7:36:33 PM EST
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The M500 MILS and M500M MILS are both stamped 500MILS on the bottom of the receiver and have a serial number prefix of U.S.
  But there are plenty of Mossbergs in service without those markings. The contact overrun gun is just marked 500A on the bottom and has an extra stamping and QR code on the left side of the receiver. No serial number prefix. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 9:02:06 PM EST
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I'm looking at Mossberg website re: heat shields.
I may have discovered why I was told I cannot add a (Mossberg) heat shield to my gun. The product description states this: SKU 95066 Heat shield for your 12 Gauge 500, 590, or Maverick 88 plain barrel with parkerized finish. Note: Not compatible with 590 7-Shot models w/ +1 extension, 590 Shockwave, 590A1, 590M, breacher barrels, or ghost ring sight barrels. My gun has ghost ring sites. I ordered a heat shield from aftermarket company b/c as a post stated, the Mossberg shield is unobtainium presently. I ordered this: Mossberg 500 590 835 VAPOR EYE Heat Shield Tactical Shotgun 12 Gauge Shroud VE12M (Shotgunheatshield.com) |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 9:09:50 PM EST
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Weird. Might be due to the mount on it. Mossberg shows a ghost ring shotgun with heat shield on their site.
 They probably mean you can't use the shorter barrels with ghost rings and the heat shield. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 9:42:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird. Might be due to the mount on it. Mossberg shows a ghost ring shotgun with heat shield on their site. https://www.mossberg.com/media/catalog/product/cache/e481e64536a684f69707b47f11cbf51f/5/0/50693_590_hshield_gring_9shot_wf8lz5ws15c9afxg.jpg They probably mean you can't use the shorter barrels with ghost rings and the heat shield. Gun in the pic is near identical to mine (except the stock). I'm on their notify list. I'm liking that 930 Pro Tactical. That may become my semi-auto shotgun. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 2:03:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For what it's worth, the factory 590A1 heat shield is a different part number than the factory 500 heat shield. Might be that it's parkerized, might also be that the breech end of the barrel is slightly larger. But to order it, you have to actually call Mossberg with the part number (don't recall it offhand, found it online), as it's not in their e-store. It doesn't come up often. I had one on backorder with Brownells for several months before it came back in stock, but shortly after I made my order Brownells removed it from their website (so you can no longer order it that way). But you can absolutely add a heat shield to a non-vent rib barrel. correct. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 11:51:24 AM EST
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Can I ask; what purpose does a buffer tube serve on a 12ga??
I'm looking at this stock but wonder why there is a buffer tube on it. There is no moving parts like in an AR. Someone please clue me in. Thanks SKU 17827 Upgrade your Mossberg with this tactical stock with aluminum buffer tube. Compatible with 12 gauge 500, 590, 590A1, 590M, 535, and 835 models. Note: Not compatible with 590 Shockwave, 590M Shockwave, or FLEX models. Please note: This stock doesn't fit the Maverick 88. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 12:38:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I ask; what purpose does a buffer tube serve on a 12ga?? I'm looking at this stock but wonder why there is a buffer tube on it. There is no moving parts like in an AR. Someone please clue me in. Thanks SKU 17827 Upgrade your Mossberg with this tactical stock with aluminum buffer tube. Compatible with 12 gauge 500, 590, 590A1, 590M, 535, and 835 models. Note: Not compatible with 590 Shockwave, 590M Shockwave, or FLEX models. Please note: This stock doesn't fit the Maverick 88. That is a commercial version of the M4 stock. It adjusts length by sliding along that buffer tube. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 1:23:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a commercial version of the M4 stock. It adjusts length by sliding along that buffer tube. Thanks. I suspected that. I'm trying to educate myself on the different variations of Mossbergs to land on what I want to have around. I looked for (anything) aftermarket for that dam Benelli. NOTHING. seems only thing I can do with it is add a sling and red dot. I'm glad I wasn't able to respond to that (Benelli forum) guy selling his modified M1014. I would've bought right then. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 1:46:37 PM EST
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Is this the MEK stock??
6-POSITION ADJUSTABLE STOCK WITH ALUMINUM BUFFER TUBE, 12 GAUGE Will it fit my gun fer sure??  I realize the stock that's on it now is gradifing in that it holds extra slugs. I think Mossberg calls it a speed feed stock from what I gather. But, it already has a 9rd mag on it. I want it to handle better is my goal. add: Done. Here's hoping for the best SKUPriceQtySubtotal 6-Position Adjustable Stock with Aluminum Buffer Tube, 12 Gauge 17827 $119.99 Ordered1 |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 2:10:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I ask; what purpose does a buffer tube serve on a 12ga?? I'm looking at this stock but wonder why there is a buffer tube on it. There is no moving parts like in an AR. Someone please clue me in. Thanks SKU 17827 Upgrade your Mossberg with this tactical stock with aluminum buffer tube. Compatible with 12 gauge 500, 590, 590A1, 590M, 535, and 835 models. Note: Not compatible with 590 Shockwave, 590M Shockwave, or FLEX models. Please note: This stock doesn't fit the Maverick 88. Designed to look cool but it makes it difficult to reach the safety MAGPUL stock is the way to go in my opinion  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 2:12:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Designed to look cool but it makes it difficult to reach the safety MAGPUL stock is the way to go in my opinion https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2275/19B54105-5DF9-45FB-BF27-5AB2688255EE_jpe-2741851.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2275/4BC1B297-0FF2-4223-AB52-CC571470618C_jpe-2741852.JPG Dam. I do like that. I just hit the buy now button. I'll do one of those on the next one. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 3:31:33 PM EST
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The MEK uses the Mossberg FLEX system. If you are not needing to rapidly and toolessly switch stocks, you are better off skipping it.
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Posted: 3/11/2023 9:47:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The MEK uses the Mossberg FLEX system. If you are not needing to rapidly and toolessly switch stocks, you are better off skipping it. TY sir. I'll now have yet more parts on hand. (My life story with AR's). Yeah, after see'ing the pic and thinking more about it, I began thinking more about it. Even though I bought that stock, doesn't mean it's a 'must use' situation. I'm now thinking it's a better choice for semi-auto. Since my knowledge base is limited, I'm only gonna focus on pump action. I'll move on soon enough to semi-auto. I remember I started this way with AR-15 platforms and then AR-10 platforms. At least I have a butt load of parts on hand. LOTS OF LAUGHS. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 10:15:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm looking at Mossberg website re: heat shields. I may have discovered why I was told I cannot add a (Mossberg) heat shield to my gun. The product description states this: SKU 95066 Heat shield for your 12 Gauge 500, 590, or Maverick 88 plain barrel with parkerized finish. Note: Not compatible with 590 7-Shot models w/ +1 extension, 590 Shockwave, 590A1, 590M, breacher barrels, or ghost ring sight barrels. My gun has ghost ring sites. I ordered a heat shield from aftermarket company b/c as a post stated, the Mossberg shield is unobtainium presently. I ordered this: Mossberg 500 590 835 VAPOR EYE Heat Shield Tactical Shotgun 12 Gauge Shroud VE12M (Shotgunheatshield.com) That's what I had to do, and it worked fine. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 10:27:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Designed to look cool but it makes it difficult to reach the safety MAGPUL stock is the way to go in my opinion https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2275/19B54105-5DF9-45FB-BF27-5AB2688255EE_jpe-2741851.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2275/4BC1B297-0FF2-4223-AB52-CC571470618C_jpe-2741852.JPG I like the Magpul stock and the Surefire forend combo. Put a MI forward side sling loop and a Choate +2 mag extension on the 18.5" barrel. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 11:38:23 PM EST
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Posted: 3/12/2023 12:07:27 AM EST
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Because of the safety location (on the receiver top rear) Mossbergs are somewhat harder to use with pistol grip stocks than Remington or Benelli shotguns (safety on trigger guard)
 That stock allows you to fit different AR carbine rear stocks and pistol grips and most importantly it allows the shooter to adjust the length of pull depending on such factors as winter coat, body armor, life preserver, or for various ages, sexes, & body size (small young lady vs. large adult male) As others mentioned - the MagPaul stock set is excellent for the Mossberg pumps because it keeps the safety in easy reach, while also giving a secure grip and feeling like it is softer shooting. One often overlooked factor for the Mossberg pumps is the plastic safety button can crack or shatter. If yours doesn't already have an upgraded steel safety, I'd very highly recommend it. It's a simple swap and well worth doing! Mossberg certainly makes a rugged & durable shotgun that can get the job done! @NTXGlocker |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 12:45:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because of the safety location (on the receiver top rear) Mossbergs are somewhat harder to use with pistol grip stocks than Remington or Benelli shotguns (safety on trigger guard) https://www.mossberg.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3574f3e697855268dfec7263e7054813/6/p/6position_stock_700x700.png That stock allows you to fit different AR carbine rear stocks and pistol grips and most importantly it allows the shooter to adjust the length of pull depending on such factors as winter coat, body armor, life preserver, or for various ages, sexes, & body size (small young lady vs. large adult male) As others mentioned - the MagPaul stock set is excellent for the Mossberg pumps because it keeps the safety in easy reach, while also giving a secure grip and feeling like it is softer shooting. One often overlooked factor for the Mossberg pumps is the plastic safety button can crack or shatter. If yours doesn't already have an upgraded steel safety, I'd very highly recommend it. It's a simple swap and well worth doing! Mossberg certainly makes a rugged & durable shotgun that can get the job done! @NTXGlocker Never heard of a safety "shattering", source? Unless you dropped the gun right on the safety, I don't even see how it could break. The polymer isn't exactly fragile. I'd be more interested in replacing the polymer trigger guard, but metal ones are hard to come by since Mossberg won't sell them. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 8:27:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never heard of a safety "shattering", source? Unless you dropped the gun right on the safety, I don't even see how it could break. The polymer isn't exactly fragile. I'd be more interested in replacing the polymer trigger guard, but metal ones are hard to come by since Mossberg won't sell them. Probably from 18 yr old sailors slamming them into steel hatchways, same reason the 590 bbl is thicker, the Navy was tired of shotgun downtime while the armorers pounded out the dents. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 10:41:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most heat shield installations don't include "smack real hard to make it slip around your barrel", which is what I had to do to install my heat shield on my ghost ring sights barrel. Most instructions include "slip on from muzzle end after unscrewing bead". That's what I had to do, and it worked fine. Ty. When their back in stock I do plan to pick one up. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 11:14:58 AM EST
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 These fit fine and are 13 dollarshttps://www.cdnnsports.com/mossberg-500-12ga-vent-heat-shield-black-warrior.html |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 1:35:38 PM EST
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 I like the idea of the FLEX system being used on a military shotgun as you could easily mount a stock if you are using the shotgun as a primary weapon, and quickly and easily switch it to just a pistol grip for breaching. However: As others have pointed out, the AR style stock makes using the safety and slide release difficult. The buffer tube is held in place by a friction set screw. It really does not seem heavy duty. The fixed stock is almost awesome, but the ability to quickly remove the buttpad is makes it much too easy to accidently detach the buttpad. As for just the pistol grip, I thought it would be uncomfortable to use, but I have been very impressed by it. I wouldn't want to shoot with it all day long, but it is perfectly comfortable for low volume shooting. I had to use a longer bolt to mount the FLEX system with the sling mount. I don't like how much father the sling mount moves the grips back from the trigger. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 2:29:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because of the safety location (on the receiver top rear) Mossbergs are somewhat harder to use with pistol grip stocks than Remington or Benelli shotguns (safety on trigger guard) https://www.mossberg.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3574f3e697855268dfec7263e7054813/6/p/6position_stock_700x700.png That stock allows you to fit different AR carbine rear stocks and pistol grips and most importantly it allows the shooter to adjust the length of pull depending on such factors as winter coat, body armor, life preserver, or for various ages, sexes, & body size (small young lady vs. large adult male) As others mentioned - the MagPaul stock set is excellent for the Mossberg pumps because it keeps the safety in easy reach, while also giving a secure grip and feeling like it is softer shooting. One often overlooked factor for the Mossberg pumps is the plastic safety button can crack or shatter. If yours doesn't already have an upgraded steel safety, I'd very highly recommend it. It's a simple swap and well worth doing! Mossberg certainly makes a rugged & durable shotgun that can get the job done! @NTXGlocker @Ming_The_Merciless Thanks. This one has a metal safety. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 2:53:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58648/20230312_134703-2743285.jpg I like the idea of the FLEX system being used on a military shotgun as you could easily mount a stock if you are using the shotgun as a primary weapon, and quickly and easily switch it to just a pistol grip for breaching. However: As others have pointed out, the AR style stock makes using the safety and slide release difficult. The buffer tube is held in place by a friction set screw. It really does not seem heavy duty. The fixed stock is almost awesome, but the ability to quickly remove the buttpad is makes it much too easy to accidently detach the buttpad. As for just the pistol grip, I thought it would be uncomfortable to use, but I have been very impressed by it. I wouldn't want to shoot with it all day long, but it is perfectly comfortable for low volume shooting. I had to use a longer bolt to mount the FLEX system with the sling mount. I don't like how much father the sling mount moves the grips back from the trigger. Thanks I received the fiberglas heat shield and installed it this afternoon.  I want to install this as well. I bought this back when I bought the gun. I got it from Mossberg.  Are these difficult to install?? @Postal0311 |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 3:31:11 PM EST
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No and yes.
The forend is held on by a nut a tube. There are tools specifically for it which makes it easy to replace, but with out the tool, if the nut is on tight it might be hard to remove. Also the forends come in different lengths, and you may need a spacer or different tube with the twin action bars. It looks like the second picture shows the railed handguard already being on a tube, so you might just need to fieldstrip the gun and swap out entire assemblies. This video shows it well.  Mossberg 590 500 forend removal & new install |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 3:44:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never heard of a safety "shattering", source? Unless you dropped the gun right on the safety, I don't even see how it could break. The polymer isn't exactly fragile. I'd be more interested in replacing the polymer trigger guard, but metal ones are hard to come by since Mossberg won't sell them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because of the safety location (on the receiver top rear) Mossbergs are somewhat harder to use with pistol grip stocks than Remington or Benelli shotguns (safety on trigger guard) https://www.mossberg.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3574f3e697855268dfec7263e7054813/6/p/6position_stock_700x700.png That stock allows you to fit different AR carbine rear stocks and pistol grips and most importantly it allows the shooter to adjust the length of pull depending on such factors as winter coat, body armor, life preserver, or for various ages, sexes, & body size (small young lady vs. large adult male) As others mentioned - the MagPaul stock set is excellent for the Mossberg pumps because it keeps the safety in easy reach, while also giving a secure grip and feeling like it is softer shooting. One often overlooked factor for the Mossberg pumps is the plastic safety button can crack or shatter. If yours doesn't already have an upgraded steel safety, I'd very highly recommend it. It's a simple swap and well worth doing! Mossberg certainly makes a rugged & durable shotgun that can get the job done! @NTXGlocker Never heard of a safety "shattering", source? Unless you dropped the gun right on the safety, I don't even see how it could break. The polymer isn't exactly fragile. I'd be more interested in replacing the polymer trigger guard, but metal ones are hard to come by since Mossberg won't sell them. Had the safety on my 500 crack in half were the screw hole is. It could have been because I was shooting 3 in magnums or it could have been over tightened from the factory. This was a late 90’s manufactured one. I replaced it with a metal one |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 4:37:40 PM EST
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Quote History@doc_Zox Thanks. I picked up a fiberglas option from (shotgunshields.com). It fits great. I will get a Mossberg one when their in stock again. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 4:44:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No and yes. The forend is held on by a nut a tube. There are tools specifically for it which makes it easy to replace, but with out the tool, if the nut is on tight it might be hard to remove. Also the forends come in different lengths, and you may need a spacer or different tube with the twin action bars. It looks like the second picture shows the railed handguard already being on a tube, so you might just need to fieldstrip the gun and swap out entire assemblies. This video shows it well.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOlH-_Ky2oU@Postal0311 Thanks again. It seems field strip only. I've only done that once (field strip) back when I got it to lube it before I shot it first time. Many moons have passed since then and I don't remember 'how-to'. YouTube is my friend!! lots of laughs |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 5:20:20 PM EST
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@Postal0311
I have the complete forend.  So, it seems as field strip should enable the install. You agree??e. add: Mossberg sold it to me. I do remember they said it was direct install. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 8:19:12 PM EST
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Yes, should be pretty straightforward. During disassembly the old forend with action bars will slide off the mag tube, and then you will be able to slide the new on one in its place.
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Posted: 3/12/2023 8:39:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never heard of a safety "shattering", source? Unless you dropped the gun right on the safety, I don't even see how it could break. The polymer isn't exactly fragile. I'd be more interested in replacing the polymer trigger guard, but metal ones are hard to come by since Mossberg won't sell them. Quoted: Had the safety on my 500 crack in half were the screw hole is. It could have been because I was shooting 3 in magnums or it could have been over tightened from the factory. This was a late 90’s manufactured one. I replaced it with a metal one Have seen several plastic Mossberg safeties that broken (split) at the mounting hole. Usually in high use - rough use guns. The metal replacement button is both inexpensive and easy to install. It's pretty much a "no brainer" to strengthen a weak spot on the otherwise rugged 500 / 590. |
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Posted: 3/13/2023 5:43:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, should be pretty straightforward. During disassembly the old forend with action bars will slide off the mag tube, and then you will be able to slide the new on one in its place. Thanks. I'm gonna wait now till next weekend. I got a Magpul stock and hopefully will be here by then. |
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Posted: 3/13/2023 7:00:03 AM EST
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My 590A1 came with a metal safety, and trigger guard
https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/MOSSBERG-590A1-18-5-MLOK-Ghost-ring-50765/1-541859/ https://www.mossberg.com/590a1-m-lok-50765.html "The Mossberg 590A1 is the most durable of our pump action shotguns, meeting MIL-SPEC 3443G, with its heavy-walled barrel, metal trigger guard and safety, clean out mag tube, and Parkerized finish. Its hearty construction and proven endurance make it a prime choice for home defense applications." |
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Posted: 3/13/2023 7:15:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 590A1 came with a metal safety, and trigger guard https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/MOSSBERG-590A1-18-5-MLOK-Ghost-ring-50765/1-541859/ https://www.mossberg.com/590a1-m-lok-50765.html "The Mossberg 590A1 is the most durable of our pump action shotguns, meeting MIL-SPEC 3443G, with its heavy-walled barrel, metal trigger guard and safety, clean out mag tube, and Parkerized finish. Its hearty construction and proven endurance make it a prime choice for home defense applications." mine did as well. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:46:01 PM EST
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@Postal0311
I recd both the stocks (Mossberg and MagPul).  Looks easy to change the stock. But, I want the action changed. I watched a YouTube vid. Looks like I have to disassemble the entire gun. Is this correct?? If so, I have to go to lake place to my big shop to gather the tools. Freaking 50 miles round trip. This is the Mossberg action I got when I bought the gun way back. So, is this the correct way, to disassemble the whole gun?? TIA, I appreciate your help. Add: MagPul sent me a return label as well. Makes me worried it's not gonna work. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:49:06 PM EST
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You don't have to disassemble the "whole" gun. Just field strip it.
You will probably need a punch (or a pen/pencil, etc) for the first pin. Past that, should be tool-less. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/05/29/tfb-field-strip-mossberg-500/ |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 12:11:58 AM EST
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Thanks.
I saw reference to compressed trigger spring. Innuendo made to springs in Mossbergs 'compressed' unreliable. Is it true with Mossbergs that a compressed spring affects reliability???? That is not true with a Glock or AR AFAIK??? Spring action causes wear, AFAIK. I read many forum passages re: Glocks/compressed springs, especially mags. Decades have passed and those guns are reliable AFAIF. Your opinion?? Now I'm off topic replacing the action/forend but comments grabbed my attention. Seeking opinion @Postal0311 |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 4:30:30 PM EST
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I have continued to read about Mossberg springs.
It seems their not for me. I cannot get over if a Mossberg spring is compressed over 'a period' of time it becomes unreliable. Not for me. My opinion: I've owned Glocks for decades. First gen to present day. I've had/have mags loaded in ammo cans for over a decade. The corresponding guns sitting in the safe. I get them out, shoot them "without hiccups". AR's. I have my original Colts. NOTHING changed in them. No hiccups. AR mags stored loaded. No hiccups. Seems Mossbergs are not for me. I called my LGS awhile ago. I've NEVER sold a gun I bought, but, that gonna change. It's going to consignment. I WILL seek Benelli instead. Add: I also own Browning auto loaders I inherited. RELIABLE TODAY |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 5:01:24 PM EST
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Don't believe
Mossbergs are fine People leave the mag loaded for years |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 5:24:20 PM EST
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Wolff Gunsprings (gunsprings.com) makes an excellent magazine spring for the Remington 870; I'm sure that they make one for the Mossberg as well...
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Posted: 3/18/2023 5:59:03 PM EST
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@NTXGlocker If you don't trust a piece of equipment, you shouldn't use it.
Even if it is completely reliable, if you don't believe in that piece of kit, that doubt in your mind will prevent you from employing it to its potential. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 6:09:45 PM EST
[#43]
Nice boomsticks!
@ban-hater |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 6:37:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @NTXGlocker If you don't trust a piece of equipment, you shouldn't use it. Even if it is completely reliable, if you don't believe in that piece of kit, that doubt in your mind will prevent you from employing it to its potential. @Postal0311 Yep. Indeed, your correct. I've had this gun for many years but never used it beyond the first time I fired it. It bruised my shoulder first time I fired it, I put it away and it sat loaded in my safe. (the first time I fired it was ammo that belonged to my dad-have a lot of it). Recently, I fired it to compare it. It DID fire without issue after having been loaded for many years. But, I'm definitely left wondering after reading what others describe as a failure after having been loaded. I most CERTAINLY find that strange. It's NOT my experience. Springs wear with use, not extended nor compressed in my experience. A gun stored properly in a controlled environment lasts indefinitely AFAIK and I have experience including the inherited guns I have that are older than me. My question is: do I invest in this?? Only have the one Mossberg now. What I want: (2) 'reliable, rock solid' pumps w/one semi-auto (I don't even have space for that and will have to dis-assemble AR's to have space-but, I have lots of them). It's a thing 'reading': making me more critical what i read without direct experience to back up what I know about Mossberg. I have this Mossberg. I seek to continue it's modification to improve it. Why is it I find negative re: springs?? Is that real?? I do NOT know. What I do know is that what I own now, it's not true 'IF' I compare it to what I do/have owned in the long term. It's false. Add: I've 'not' read hyperably with any other gun I was interested in |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 6:57:22 PM EST
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The Wolff extra power extended magazine springs are easy to get, inexpensive and super easy to install.
I'd swap out the magazine spring out of any shotgun left loaded for several years. Also check the condition of those shells, as some shells will start to deform or have issues with their end seal after long periods under pressure. Having a spare spring or two to rotate is mere Pennies for Peace of Mind & Protection = a pretty good deal.  And that applies to ANY tube magazine fed shotgun kept loaded - Mossberg, Remington, Winchester, Ithaca and Benelii too. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 8:30:17 PM EST
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My 20 ga 870 extended mag springs always took a set, would have to replace them every so often.
I was using them in a configuration they weren't designed for, so I can hardly hold that against Remington. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 10:09:16 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have continued to read about Mossberg springs. It seems their not for me. I cannot get over if a Mossberg spring is compressed over 'a period' of time it becomes unreliable. Not for me. My opinion: I've owned Glocks for decades. First gen to present day. I've had/have mags loaded in ammo cans for over a decade. The corresponding guns sitting in the safe. I get them out, shoot them "without hiccups". AR's. I have my original Colts. NOTHING changed in them. No hiccups. AR mags stored loaded. No hiccups. Seems Mossbergs are not for me. I called my LGS awhile ago. I've NEVER sold a gun I bought, but, that gonna change. It's going to consignment. I WILL seek Benelli instead. Add: I also own Browning auto loaders I inherited. RELIABLE TODAY ALL tube fed shotguns will have their mag tube springs weaken over time if you keep them fully loaded. They are NOT the same as handgun and rifle box mag springs, which can usually remain loaded for decades (they are designed that way). Shotgun tubes are designed to function with the highest capacity they can fit while not extending past the length of the barrel, so they can't be optimally designed for longevity. IE you only have a 18" long tube, and you want it to be able to hold 7 shells like every other 18" tube, you have to create a spring to function within the capacity and size constraints you have. It is NOT "the Mossberg", it is ALL tube fed shotguns. If you want to leave a tube fed shotgun fully loaded, you can swap out the mag spring once a year to ensure reliability. You may not need to, it could be fine for several years but people (myself included) have also had some go bad. Either way, a yearly mag tube spring change is easy and cheap insurance. If you don't want to do that for whatever reason, you can also download the shotgun by one or two rounds, putting less pressure on the spring. That will increase the life of the spring substantially and allow it to last much longer by being partially loaded. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 11:41:17 PM EST
[#48]
I need to look what Benelli requires?
What's up with shotguns needing springs so often?? Am I clueless here?? Legacy SG's are not this away AFAIK... Is it only Mossberg/Remington?? Ameri made |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:41:21 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to look what Benelli requires? What's up with shotguns needing springs so often?? Am I clueless here?? Legacy SG's are not this away AFAIK... Is it only Mossberg/Remington?? Ameri made  Again, reread what I just posted above. ANY TUBE FED SHOTGUN for the reasons I again described above. Benelli is no different. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:23:49 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to look what Benelli requires? What's up with shotguns needing springs so often?? Am I clueless here?? Legacy SG's are not this away AFAIK... Is it only Mossberg/Remington?? Ameri made No, double bbl shotguns won't have this problem. Tube fed shotguns from the Spencer onwards will. You're asking a spring to sit completely compressed, for months, then slide close to a pound of shells more than two inches in the magazine to feed one round. And it has to be not impossible to feed, nor so tight as to crush plastic or paper shells stacked in the mag for months. ETA: Most hunting shotguns have plugs in the mags - which keep the spring from being completely compressed - which is perhaps why you've not noticed this on yer old Brownings. Throw an extended mag on those and leave em topped up w/ buckshot or slugs, you'll have the same problem. |
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