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Sig is taking so long to release the spear that the damn Magpul Massoud came out ! Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Toyz: Been keeping an eye on the Massoud for years. Fondled it at Shot. Exciting. Doesn’t look like it’s “out” out. Not seeing it on on their page. Do you have pricing info? I don’t have pricing, just have this one for testing. So far it’s been an awesome gun. |
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Originally Posted By uniquesnd: I don't have pricing, just have this one for testing. So far it's been an awesome gun. Originally Posted By uniquesnd: Originally Posted By Mr_Toyz: Been keeping an eye on the Massoud for years. Fondled it at Shot. Exciting. Doesn't look like it's "out" out. Not seeing it on on their page. Do you have pricing info? I don't have pricing, just have this one for testing. So far it's been an awesome gun. |
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Originally Posted By fettesbrotde: KRG Fox 42? Originally Posted By fettesbrotde: Originally Posted By uniquesnd: Originally Posted By Mr_Toyz: Been keeping an eye on the Massoud for years. Fondled it at Shot. Exciting. Doesn't look like it's "out" out. Not seeing it on on their page. Do you have pricing info? I don't have pricing, just have this one for testing. So far it's been an awesome gun. Yes sir! |
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Originally Posted By uniquesnd: Yes sir! Originally Posted By uniquesnd: Originally Posted By fettesbrotde: Originally Posted By uniquesnd: Originally Posted By Mr_Toyz: Been keeping an eye on the Massoud for years. Fondled it at Shot. Exciting. Doesn't look like it's "out" out. Not seeing it on on their page. Do you have pricing info? I don't have pricing, just have this one for testing. So far it's been an awesome gun. Yes sir! As an ACR owner I've been waiting a while for that to come out too. I started to migrate to the MCX since ACR stuffed dried up, then hit a wall. I hope Sig beats KRG to the market on the Spear... but who knows. |
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Originally Posted By elucidate: In terms of where it could compete, closest competition would be the LMT MWS. They are $3200 MSRP. Originally Posted By elucidate: Originally Posted By nizo_mizer: Prob. $2800 - $3000 I don't know about a MSRP of $3200, but the LMT MLK MWS has a MSRP of $2799 and a street price of in the low to mid $2k range.  
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I think I said this before, but that recoiling-barrel option would be awesome for instances like when SOFA agreements prohibit belt-feds. Or, if I'm leaving the wire on a patrol, but we're carrying two or three of those w/ multiple 50rd drums in our packs instead of rifles, and some terrorist asshole reports a "lightly armed squad" headed out. |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955: https://i.imgflip.com/3wdkj5.jpg LMFAO |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: I want this to work so bad...but in the end Sig will royally fuck it up and I’ll be sending yet another one of their trashy products back for trashy customer service. I’m 0/3 working Sig’s out of the box. Maybe 4th time will be a charm. Sig is one of the few innovators in the firearms community. Yes, sometimes their products are not 100% reliable right off the bat, but that is a consequence of having a new design. I am OK with rolling the dice on a new, forward thinking weapon, as long as Sig can help me out if it doesn't work within reasonable expectations of reliability. |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955: https://i.imgflip.com/3wdkj5.jpg I'd be in for one depending on how they get spec'd and priced. |
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Originally Posted By tranzformer: I'd be in for one depending on how they get spec'd and priced. Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By JAG2955: https://i.imgflip.com/3wdkj5.jpg I'd be in for one depending on how they get spec'd and priced. Tomorrow would be NRAAM, which would have been our next chance to see it. But, thanks to beer flu, it was cancelled. Maybe SHOT 2021 will have more info. |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955: That's kinda what we're all waiting for. Tomorrow would be NRAAM, which would have been our next chance to see it. But, thanks to beer flu, it was cancelled. Maybe SHOT 2021 will have more info. Originally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By JAG2955: https://i.imgflip.com/3wdkj5.jpg I'd be in for one depending on how they get spec'd and priced. Tomorrow would be NRAAM, which would have been our next chance to see it. But, thanks to beer flu, it was cancelled. Maybe SHOT 2021 will have more info. I am told beer flu might kill me before Shot Show 2021. So maybe @coregon could give us a little hint before we all die and don't get a chance to buy a MCX Spear. |
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Originally Posted By mban2: Sig is one of the few innovators in the firearms community. Yes, sometimes their products are not 100% reliable right off the bat, but that is a consequence of having a new design. I am OK with rolling the dice on a new, forward thinking weapon, as long as Sig can help me out if it doesn't work within reasonable expectations of reliability. Originally Posted By mban2: Originally Posted By cms81586: I want this to work so bad...but in the end Sig will royally fuck it up and I’ll be sending yet another one of their trashy products back for trashy customer service. I’m 0/3 working Sig’s out of the box. Maybe 4th time will be a charm. Sig is one of the few innovators in the firearms community. Yes, sometimes their products are not 100% reliable right off the bat, but that is a consequence of having a new design. I am OK with rolling the dice on a new, forward thinking weapon, as long as Sig can help me out if it doesn't work within reasonable expectations of reliability. I don't se how they could f this up, hasn't it been through mil trials and 3-4 years of tweaks? |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955: https://i.imgflip.com/3y8zgk.jpg Hopefully the true street reward ends up being closer to $2500. |
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Originally Posted By BLKY: I don't think there's any way this will end up at $ 2,500.00 if the tiny Rattler's street price is $ 2,299.00 all over the internet right now. The 716 is going for about $2,700.00. I'd say this gun is going to be $ 3,000.00 to 3,250.00 Sig Rattler street price is high $1800s to $1900s depending who your dealer is. The 716 Gen 2 is $1700s to $1800s depending on who your dealer is.   |
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Originally Posted By tranzformer: Sig Rattler street price is high $1800s to $1900s depending who your dealer is. The 716 Gen 2 is $1700s to $1800s depending on who your dealer is. https://i.ibb.co/kBy1yNh/Screenshot-20200429-102702-01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yBDQ5qC/Screenshot-20200429-102424-01.jpg Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By BLKY: I don't think there's any way this will end up at $ 2,500.00 if the tiny Rattler's street price is $ 2,299.00 all over the internet right now. The 716 is going for about $2,700.00. I'd say this gun is going to be $ 3,000.00 to 3,250.00 Sig Rattler street price is high $1800s to $1900s depending who your dealer is. The 716 Gen 2 is $1700s to $1800s depending on who your dealer is. https://i.ibb.co/kBy1yNh/Screenshot-20200429-102702-01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yBDQ5qC/Screenshot-20200429-102424-01.jpg The 716 you posted is a discontinued SKU, so pricing will fluctuate. The DMR is still active and MAP is $2749 The Rattler you posted.....all i'll say is whoever posted that price is mistaken. That's not a realistic price and I would highly suggest anyone looking for a Rattler (or anyone looking for a deal) go and buy all of his inventory right now. I dont think he has any inventory, though - which makes this price irrelevant, IMO. ETA: TSS doesnt even have any MCX's listed on his website currently - so, I think that screen grab is more than outdated. Do you have to login to see inventory on some items? |
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Originally Posted By coregon: The 716 you posted is a discontinued SKU, so pricing will fluctuate. The DMR is still active and MAP is $2749 The Rattler you posted.....all i'll say is whoever posted that price is mistaken. That's not a realistic price and I would highly suggest anyone looking for a Rattler (or anyone looking for a deal) go and buy all of his inventory right now. I dont think he has any inventory, though - which makes this price irrelevant, IMO. ETA: TSS doesnt even have any MCX's listed on his website currently - so, I think that screen grab is more than outdated. Do you have to login to see inventory on some items? Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By BLKY: I don't think there's any way this will end up at $ 2,500.00 if the tiny Rattler's street price is $ 2,299.00 all over the internet right now. The 716 is going for about $2,700.00. I'd say this gun is going to be $ 3,000.00 to 3,250.00 Sig Rattler street price is high $1800s to $1900s depending who your dealer is. The 716 Gen 2 is $1700s to $1800s depending on who your dealer is. https://i.ibb.co/kBy1yNh/Screenshot-20200429-102702-01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yBDQ5qC/Screenshot-20200429-102424-01.jpg The 716 you posted is a discontinued SKU, so pricing will fluctuate. The DMR is still active and MAP is $2749 The Rattler you posted.....all i'll say is whoever posted that price is mistaken. That's not a realistic price and I would highly suggest anyone looking for a Rattler (or anyone looking for a deal) go and buy all of his inventory right now. I dont think he has any inventory, though - which makes this price irrelevant, IMO. ETA: TSS doesnt even have any MCX's listed on his website currently - so, I think that screen grab is more than outdated. Do you have to login to see inventory on some items? MAP for the 716 Gen 2 DMR might be $2749, but the street price is $2200-2300. I am looking at a dealer that has it for under $2200. So again, street price can be significantly less than MSRP or MAP depending where the Spear ends up. Street price of $2500-2700 for a Spear makes sense if the 716 Gen 2 DMR is in the $2200-2300 range with a MAP of $2749. Give the Spear a MSRP/MAP of $3000-3100 and a street price of $2500-2700. 
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Off topic, but since the 716 came up... The 716 Tread seems like an amazing value for a DI AR10. Labradar just showed up for some velocity testing. Review will be up shortly. 
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Originally Posted By tranzformer: MAP for the 716 Gen 2 DMR might be $2749, but the street price is $2200-2300. I am looking at a dealer that has it for under $2200. So again, street price can be significantly less than MSRP or MAP depending where the Spear ends up. Street price of $2500-2700 for a Spear makes sense if the 716 Gen 2 DMR is in the $2200-2300 range with a MAP of $2749. Give the Spear a MSRP/MAP of $3000-3100 and a street price of $2500-2700. https://i.ibb.co/zr70pLN/Screenshot-20200429-112541-01.jpg Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By BLKY: I don't think there's any way this will end up at $ 2,500.00 if the tiny Rattler's street price is $ 2,299.00 all over the internet right now. The 716 is going for about $2,700.00. I'd say this gun is going to be $ 3,000.00 to 3,250.00 Sig Rattler street price is high $1800s to $1900s depending who your dealer is. The 716 Gen 2 is $1700s to $1800s depending on who your dealer is. https://i.ibb.co/kBy1yNh/Screenshot-20200429-102702-01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yBDQ5qC/Screenshot-20200429-102424-01.jpg The 716 you posted is a discontinued SKU, so pricing will fluctuate. The DMR is still active and MAP is $2749 The Rattler you posted.....all i'll say is whoever posted that price is mistaken. That's not a realistic price and I would highly suggest anyone looking for a Rattler (or anyone looking for a deal) go and buy all of his inventory right now. I dont think he has any inventory, though - which makes this price irrelevant, IMO. ETA: TSS doesnt even have any MCX's listed on his website currently - so, I think that screen grab is more than outdated. Do you have to login to see inventory on some items? MAP for the 716 Gen 2 DMR might be $2749, but the street price is $2200-2300. I am looking at a dealer that has it for under $2200. So again, street price can be significantly less than MSRP or MAP depending where the Spear ends up. Street price of $2500-2700 for a Spear makes sense if the 716 Gen 2 DMR is in the $2200-2300 range with a MAP of $2749. Give the Spear a MSRP/MAP of $3000-3100 and a street price of $2500-2700. https://i.ibb.co/zr70pLN/Screenshot-20200429-112541-01.jpg I wasn't clear on what I was referencing. 6.5CM DMR is the only active 716 (besides the 716 Tread, which is a totally different config/situation). So, the DMR you referenced is a discontinued SKU - which will, obviously, affect "street price". Our MAP policy is very strict and anyone violating that risks losing their dealer status - discontinued items have MAP removed. Street price can definitely be less than MSRP (by design), but, technically, not less than MAP. Now, if you have a relationship with a dealer and you get less than MAP, that's understandable. However, "advertised" pricing, will rarely been seen below MAP. I'm not trying to measure dicks with you, just trying to set a reasonable expectation for others watching this thread on what they can expect to pay for an active, in-line product. |
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So we're at almost 5 years since we first saw the MCX-MR. Recoil Magazine May 2015 |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955: So we're at almost 5 years since we first saw the MCX-MR. Recoil Magazine May 2015 Longer than that - this was on the line for Range Day at SHOT 2015... Attached File And in one of the meeting rooms during SHOT of 2015... Attached File |
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Originally Posted By coregon: Longer than that - this was on the line for Range Day at SHOT 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/CC5DC4A8-AD75-4DF4-B4C5-2D21EEF3054D_jpe-1399689.JPG And this was in one of the meeting rooms during SHOT of 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/EC87BB26-8968-47F9-B8FD-8E5805F2F6A4_jpe-1399686.JPG Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By JAG2955: So we're at almost 5 years since we first saw the MCX-MR. Recoil Magazine May 2015 Longer than that - this was on the line for Range Day at SHOT 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/CC5DC4A8-AD75-4DF4-B4C5-2D21EEF3054D_jpe-1399689.JPG And this was in one of the meeting rooms during SHOT of 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/EC87BB26-8968-47F9-B8FD-8E5805F2F6A4_jpe-1399686.JPG You cheeky bastard!  
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Originally Posted By coregon: Longer than that - this was on the line for Range Day at SHOT 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/CC5DC4A8-AD75-4DF4-B4C5-2D21EEF3054D_jpe-1399689.JPG And in one of the meeting rooms during SHOT of 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/EC87BB26-8968-47F9-B8FD-8E5805F2F6A4_jpe-1399686.JPG And what is taking so long? |
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Originally Posted By coregon: I wasn't clear on what I was referencing. 6.5CM DMR is the only active 716 (besides the 716 Tread, which is a totally different config/situation). So, the DMR you referenced is a discontinued SKU - which will, obviously, affect "street price". Our MAP policy is very strict and anyone violating that risks losing their dealer status - discontinued items have MAP removed. Street price can definitely be less than MSRP (by design), but, technically, not less than MAP. Now, if you have a relationship with a dealer and you get less than MAP, that's understandable. However, "advertised" pricing, will rarely been seen below MAP. I'm not trying to measure dicks with you, just trying to set a reasonable expectation for others watching this thread on what they can expect to pay for an active, in-line product. I appreciate that. I was just pointing out to other members that regardless of what MSRP/MAP is listed at, you can find Sig products for less than that if you know where to look and where to shop. I just went through that whole ordeal recently when ordering a MPX K and a Virtus. Just that when/if a MCX Spear is released, those willing to wait for the initial demand to die down could get one for less than the MSRP/MAP. Originally Posted By JAG2955: So we're at almost 5 years since we first saw the MCX-MR. Recoil Magazine May 2015  I have money set aside for a Tacops or for a good portion of the Spear. Hope I don't have to hold out for another 5 years. |
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Originally Posted By coregon: Longer than that - this was on the line for Range Day at SHOT 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/CC5DC4A8-AD75-4DF4-B4C5-2D21EEF3054D_jpe-1399689.JPG And in one of the meeting rooms during SHOT of 2015... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/EC87BB26-8968-47F9-B8FD-8E5805F2F6A4_jpe-1399686.JPG God Sig’s tanodizing is gorgeous. |
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He's been terribly silent about the whole thing, but he said this in another thread: SPEAR is still tracking. It's a progressive release, starting with some "unveilings" at some MIL/GOV type events that have been pushed back some, due to the CV19 stuff, but it's right around the corner. |
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Originally Posted By tranzformer: @coregon, I have money set aside for either a MCX Tacops or a MCX Spear. Which one will I have an easier and quicker time in getting?  Bird in your bush is worth two hand jobs...or something like that. Buy the TACOPS. The spear is coming, but I wouldn't let that interfere with me getting a TACOPS, especially since some are available right now. TACOPS is a hard value to beat in the MCX family right now and you dont want to miss that. |
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