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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:00:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they could just stuff a vcsel in the tlr vir2 for $799 that would be great. Just great.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m hedging my bets on Holosun or Streamlight to come out with a $1K VCSEL unit in the next year or two. I can wait. If they could just stuff a vcsel in the tlr vir2 for $799 that would be great. Just great. Have you heard rumors that Streamlight is developing a VCSEL? The only thing I've heard regarding Holosun is I believe from YouTuber "Hoplopfheil" who mentioned it almost in passing during one of his videos and that did stick out to me since he also works with TFB TV's YouTube channel and attends SHOT Show. |
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Posted: 1/6/2023 7:46:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they could just stuff a vcsel in the tlr vir2 for $799 that would be great. Just great. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m hedging my bets on Holosun or Streamlight to come out with a $1K VCSEL unit in the next year or two. I can wait. If they could just stuff a vcsel in the tlr vir2 for $799 that would be great. Just great. OMG that would be awesome. |
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Posted: 1/6/2023 8:50:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you heard rumors that Streamlight is developing a VCSEL? Streamlight has no really good IR solutions right now (VIR II excepted, perhaps), so this isn't surprising at all. A TLR HL-X with a powerful VCSEL IR illuminator and a decent IR laser pointer for $500 would blow the market wide open, and it's well within the realm of possibility. |
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Posted: 1/6/2023 12:05:37 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Streamlight has no really good IR solutions right now (VIR II excepted, perhaps), so this isn't surprising at all. A TLR HL-X with a powerful VCSEL IR illuminator and a decent IR laser pointer for $500 would blow the market wide open, and it's well within the realm of possibility. So, firmly in the realm of rumor right now along with a VCSEL Holosun. Hopefully, we learn more this SHOT Show, please anyone going to SHOT Show go to the booths and enquire about upcoming VCSEL releases. |
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Posted: 1/6/2023 1:40:34 PM EST
[#5]
I hate to make ambiguous posts like this without being able to expand, but I have it on good authority that it will be VCSEL and the quoted prices are ballpark accurate.
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Posted: 1/6/2023 1:55:08 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they could just stuff a vcsel in the tlr vir2 for $799 that would be great. Just great. Let's give our new fictitious Streamlight TLR wonder-LAM the 1000 lumen white light from their HL series while we're at it! Also, make it 100% match the exterior form factor of the TLR1 HL so it doesn't flop around in my Omnivore holster as much ?? I haven't bought Eotech anything in a long time, but I can see myself picking up one if it is for sure VCSEL and doesn't have garbage controls and shit battery life. |
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Posted: 1/6/2023 5:36:14 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they could just stuff a vcsel in the tlr vir2 for $799 that would be great. Just great. @AIWB If we are dreaming - They should also fix the battery compartment to 2 cell and make it so you don't have to remove it from the rail to change the batteries. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:14:43 PM EST
[#8]
Back on the website at $2199. Does note that this is the MIL/LE model - I wasn't sure if this was going to be offered in two versions like the ATPIAL/ATPIAL-C. Interestingly it includes a Modlite Modbutton Lite.
https://www.eotechinc.com/eotech-ogl   Overview The new EOTECH On-Gun Laser (OGL) is offered in a standard power (MIL/LE) model. Powered by a single CR123 lithium battery, the OGL offers up to 9 hours of continuous run time. The all aluminum housing offers extreme durabilty and its compact size is similar to a standard deck of playing cards. The IR and Visible lasers are optically aligned so zeroing is simple and easy. The OGL has a unique sliding lever that controls the beam divergence of the IR illuminator, making adjustments from spot to flood fast and easy, even under pressure. Features: Standard power (MIL/LE) mode All aluminum housing for extreme durability Similar in size to a deck of cards Enhanced ergonomics Shared optical bench for visible green and IR aiming lasers Illuminator variable beam divergence: ~5 mRAD to ~115 mRAD 0.2 mRAD windage and elevation adjustments, 50 mRAD total Crane Standard PTT receptacle Modlite ModButton Lite 7" switch included Tethered protective caps/patterne generators |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:31:09 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back on the website at $2199. Does note that this is the MIL/LE model - I wasn't sure if this was going to be offered in two versions like the ATPIAL/ATPIAL-C. Interestingly it includes a Modlite Modbutton Lite. https://www.eotechinc.com/eotech-ogl https://eadn-wc03-3448642.nxedge.io/cdn/media/catalog/product/cache/4c097f412a9e059cdee6ec491d7810b4/e/o/eotech_ogl-s_tan_b.png https://eadn-wc03-3448642.nxedge.io/cdn/media/catalog/product/cache/4c097f412a9e059cdee6ec491d7810b4/e/o/eotech_ogl-s_tan_a.png Overview The new EOTECH On-Gun Laser (OGL) is offered in a standard power (MIL/LE) model. Powered by a single CR123 lithium battery, the OGL offers up to 9 hours of continuous run time. The all aluminum housing offers extreme durabilty and its compact size is similar to a standard deck of playing cards. The IR and Visible lasers are optically aligned so zeroing is simple and easy. The OGL has a unique sliding lever that controls the beam divergence of the IR illuminator, making adjustments from spot to flood fast and easy, even under pressure. Features: Standard power (MIL/LE) mode All aluminum housing for extreme durability Similar in size to a deck of cards Enhanced ergonomics Shared optical bench for visible green and IR aiming lasers Illuminator variable beam divergence: ~5 mRAD to ~115 mRAD 0.2 mRAD windage and elevation adjustments, 50 mRAD total Crane Standard PTT receptacle Modlite ModButton Lite 7" switch included Tethered protective caps/patterne generators But when can i have one? |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:43:22 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But when can i have one? Probably find out this week once SHOT Show kicks off. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:46:20 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But when can i have one? Usually 3-6 months after a manufacturer says "we will start shipping these in June". That's usually when they actually start shipping a new product. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 4:45:20 PM EST
[#12]
No civilian version for now. Full power LE/MIL only.
"We are working on it" Eotech pissed a lot of people off if the comments are any indication. Sorry for those who don't have Instagram. ?????????? https://www.instagram.com/p/CnfbzCBOQnz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 4:46:44 PM EST
[#13]
Probably an issue with the variance from the FDA.
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Posted: 1/16/2023 4:58:36 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No civilian version for now. Full power LE/MIL only. "We are working on it" Eotech pissed a lot of people off if the comments are any indication. Sorry for those who don't have Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/p/CnfbzCBOQnz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= What a nothingburger...sigh. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:11:07 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So even more unobtanium than what's currently available in FP or watered down form What a nothingburger...sigh. No wonder dudes are buying Somogear lasers at this rate.  This seems like a huge FU to civilian NV users. Gonna go out on a limb and say the MIL ain't touching the OGL, and that agencies with NV are probably using stuff that's more proven. Like PEQs or NGALs. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:46:45 PM EST
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:13:17 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryThat’s fine… if it’s ever released. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:17:10 PM EST
[#18]
So disappointed. Just gonna un-OST
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:27:55 PM EST
[#19]
Sealed in the bag from L3 gray market full power PEQ-15s for $2300 are back on the menu, boiz!
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:31:45 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No civilian version for now. Full power LE/MIL only. "We are working on it" Eotech pissed a lot of people off if the comments are any indication. Sorry for those who don't have Instagram. ?????????? https://www.instagram.com/p/CnfbzCBOQnz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= That's a bummer. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:35:37 PM EST
[#21]
Do wonder what the grey market pricing on these units will be.
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Posted: 1/16/2023 7:23:06 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do wonder what the grey market pricing on these units will be. More than an NGAL.  I should buy some with my creds and scalp the fuck out of them, but I'm also not a douchebag (most of the time) so there's that. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 8:13:03 PM EST
[#23]
The original video I posted on page 1 the guy says they will be for the commercial market and compared it to the Atpial-C with a price of around $1200.
What the fuck happened? |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 8:19:14 PM EST
[#24]
Peeps remember this - a VCSEL pill costs no more than $50 at full commercial rates.
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Posted: 1/16/2023 8:51:53 PM EST
[#25]
What an absolute flop. Disappointing.
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Posted: 1/16/2023 9:27:22 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What an absolute flop. Disappointing. The flexxxxx bois on the Facebook NV groups are ecstatic about it which is gross. I want everyone to enjoy NV fully regardless of price points. $2500 for a lot of peeps for a basic PVS-14 is a chunk. I hate seeing GOOD lasers being so cost prohibitive. Steiner products are not good, before anyone says get one of those. Sorry. Seen 6 break personally. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 10:14:48 PM EST
[#27]
Not worth the BS.....
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Posted: 1/17/2023 7:39:11 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What an absolute flop. Disappointing. Call it what you want but if the civilian version comes out at the same or cheaper price than the FP its still over $1k cheaper than a MAWL and Raid Xe. If it delivers on being durable and holding Zero it will be the go to laser more than likely since Steiner keeps making their products more expensive. As long as the civilian version still uses Vcsel. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:23:28 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Call it what you want but if the civilian version comes out at the same or cheaper price than the FP its still over $1k cheaper than a MAWL and Raid Xe. If it delivers on being durable and holding Zero it will the go to laser more than likely since Steiner keeps making their products more expensive. As long as the civilian version still uses Vcsel. Agreed. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:32:33 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Call it what you want but if the civilian version comes out at the same or cheaper price than the FP its still over $1k cheaper than a MAWL and Raid Xe. If it delivers on being durable and holding Zero it will the go to laser more than likely since Steiner keeps making their products more expensive. As long as the civilian version still uses Vcsel. Eotech has a long track record of making robust optics. I am sure it will be amazing. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:12:05 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The flexxxxx bois on the Facebook NV groups are ecstatic about it which is gross. I want everyone to enjoy NV fully regardless of price points. $2500 for a lot of peeps for a basic PVS-14 is a chunk. I hate seeing GOOD lasers being so cost prohibitive. Steiner products are not good, before anyone says get one of those. Sorry. Seen 6 break personally. They did mention in the original video that the MSRP on the LE/MIL version was higher. I think it was quoted like $17-1800?. I assume the civilian version will be less, still. People are excited because its a VCSEL laser, with assumed high build quality, and doesn't cost $3600+ like the Raid Xe or MAWL. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:28:32 AM EST
[#32]
Maybe we should just all start a letter writing campaign to EoTech. Wasn't that the recommended course of action in a situation like this?
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Posted: 1/17/2023 1:07:59 PM EST
[#33]
Ya know I'll say this...It hasn't been that long since we brought the VERY fist IR laser to market with LDI around 15 years ago. Remember, at that time ALL IR laser were restricted for sale no matter what the power level!
Since then there has been a multitude of devices out there. Give it some time on this and others coming out. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:05:56 PM EST
[#34]
The Civilian Version is coming, but it has to be approved by the FDA and so there is a layer of bureaucracy that the civilian version is subjected to that the MIL/LEO version is not, hence the delay.
I mean honestly, blaming EOTech for not having the civilian version ready to release at the same time as the MIL/LEO is really just ignorant. We will see what the street price is for the civilian version after the hype/rush dies down a bit. If it is VCSEL it will be very popular, if it is only on par with the Civilian ATPIAL than I don't see it staying above $2K for very long. It is very possible that this laser will NOT be VCSEL, the EOTech CEO said in that podcast that a Gen 2 is already working its way through the development process. I'm hopeful that the GEN 2 is just going smaller and lighter, but it's possible that the OGL is simply a straight replacement for the ATPIAL C and that we may have to wait for the VCSEL. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:56:05 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Civilian Version is coming, but it has to be approved by the FDA and so there is a layer of bureaucracy that the civilian version is subjected to that the MIL/LEO version is not, hence the delay. I mean honestly, blaming EOTech for not having the civilian version ready to release at the same time as the MIL/LEO is really just ignorant. We will see what the street price is for the civilian version after the hype/rush dies down a bit. If it is VCSEL it will be very popular, if it is only on par with the Civilian ATPIAL than I don't see it staying above $2K for very long. It is very possible that this laser will NOT be VCSEL, the EOTech CEO said in that podcast that a Gen 2 is already working its way through the development process. I'm hopeful that the GEN 2 is just going smaller and lighter, but it's possible that the OGL is simply a straight replacement for the ATPIAL C and that we may have to wait for the VCSEL. The problem was the hype they created around it. Saying more info at SHOT then delivering this nonsense. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:08:28 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem was the hype they created around it. Saying more info at SHOT then delivering this nonsense. This. They said either on IG or FB that it ain't coming for at least 6+ months, if even this year. Hard to keep track due to the shitstorm. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:13:51 PM EST
[#37]
Maybe it will come out soon enough to reduce pressure on Phantom Hill so I can finally buy one.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:27:36 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe we should just all start a letter writing campaign to EoTech. Wasn't that the recommended course of action in a situation like this? I thought it was a big bulk buy to rival .mil contracts, that will make them take us seriously! |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:11:46 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Peeps remember this - a VCSEL pill costs no more than $50 at full commercial rates. How many in a device? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:45:36 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. They said either on IG or FB that it ain't coming for at least 6+ months, if even this year. Hard to keep track due to the shitstorm. This. The info I'm hearing is that its not slated to begin production until October of 23 for the mil/le variant. IF there is going to be a civilian variant that doesn't suck assballs, its probably not coming until some time in 2024. That's pretty disappointing considering how much hype (at least in our small circle) was generated from that video that essentially promised the world and at this moment, is literally delivering nothing. Bit of a cock tease, no? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:29:21 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. The info I'm hearing is that its not slated to begin production until October of 23 for the mil/le variant. IF there is going to be a civilian variant that doesn't suck assballs, its probably not coming until some time in 2024. That's pretty disappointing considering how much hype (at least in our small circle) was generated from that video that essentially promised the world and at this moment, is literally delivering nothing. Bit of a cock tease, no? I said eff it and bought another MAWL last night lmao. FDE this time. Stoked. Will be here Thursday along with my new binos from @Lowdown3
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Posted: 1/17/2023 7:57:28 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was a big bulk buy to rival .mil contracts, that will make them take us seriously! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe we should just all start a letter writing campaign to EoTech. Wasn't that the recommended course of action in a situation like this? I thought it was a big bulk buy to rival .mil contracts, that will make them take us seriously! Well, that’s what we put in the letters. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:16:05 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem was the hype they created around it. Saying more info at SHOT then delivering this nonsense. Well, Villain Weapon Systems is going to do an update on his Instagram tonight with some more information on it. He actually knows his stuff and should give us a pretty comprehensive run down on it as opposed to so many who are on Instagram and are just like "durr, here is the OGL isn't it cool." If it looks like they're not making any noise about a 2023 release for the OGL Civilian, that will be disappointing. I want to know if anyone is asking Holosun about their rumored VCSEL or making enquiries with Streamlight and ZBolt? |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:49:00 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do wonder what the grey market pricing on these units will be. There is a fucking field army worth of "guns are my personality and taking glamor shots of them are my lifestyle" folks out there who will take a loan against their house to fund whatever is new and rare |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:54:49 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem was the hype they created around it. Saying more info at SHOT then delivering this nonsense. Exactly. Many of us figured the price and availability was BS, just meant to hype, and we're still irritated at how much BS it was. I expected $1899 retail with flimsy excuses about supply. But 2300 and no civ version? Fail. US Night Vision is doing us better than that.... |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 3:25:04 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Many of us figured the price and availability was BS, just meant to hype, and we're still irritated at how much BS it was. I expected $1899 retail with flimsy excuses about supply. But 2300 and no civ version? Fail. US Night Vision is doing us better than that.... They have said via Instagram there will be a Civilian Version. MSRP is always higher than "street value" unless they do MAP pricing. USNV DesignateIR-V was listed at $1,999.00 at release and it is a polymer body. So, an initial list of $2,300 for an all metal body (presumably more robust) laser isn't that bad and is competitively priced when you consider the MAWL is going for around, what, $3,600 for a brand new MAWL right now? It may not be right away at the rock bottom price we were told, but at least we have another VCSEL option. For many the $500 savings for the USNV DesignateIR-V may make that a more attractive option, but for those who may not like the polymer body of the USNV the OGL's added $500 price tag might be worth it and that difference could be reduced once the OGL has been on the market for awhile. Would I pay $300 more for an all metal body OGL? Yup, granted $500 is in the territory where I'm going to start questioning my choice, but I doubt that the price gap will stay that wide for long. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 5:04:01 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have said via Instagram there will be a Civilian Version. MSRP is always higher than "street value" unless they do MAP pricing. USNV DesignateIR-V was listed at $1,999.00 at release and it is a polymer body. So, an initial list of $2,300 for an all metal body (presumably more robust) laser isn't that bad and is competitively priced when you consider the MAWL is going for around, what, $3,600 for a brand new MAWL right now? It may not be right away at the rock bottom price we were told, but at least we have another VCSEL option. For many the $500 savings for the USNV DesignateIR-V may make that a more attractive option, but for those who may not like the polymer body of the USNV the OGL's added $500 price tag might be worth it and that difference could be reduced once the OGL has been on the market for awhile. Would I pay $300 more for an all metal body OGL? Yup, granted $500 is in the territory where I'm going to start questioning my choice, but I doubt that the price gap will stay that wide for long. Let’s be real, at best you are looking at a year minimum. If you want the price to drop probably a year and a half to two years. It’s basically vaporware for the civilian market. I think I stated that a while back. I remember when the PSA MP5 was announced and they said “this year” lol. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 6:44:13 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have said via Instagram there will be a Civilian Version. MSRP is always higher than "street value" unless they do MAP pricing. USNV DesignateIR-V was listed at $1,999.00 at release and it is a polymer body. So, an initial list of $2,300 for an all metal body (presumably more robust) laser isn't that bad and is competitively priced when you consider the MAWL is going for around, what, $3,600 for a brand new MAWL right now? It may not be right away at the rock bottom price we were told, but at least we have another VCSEL option. For many the $500 savings for the USNV DesignateIR-V may make that a more attractive option, but for those who may not like the polymer body of the USNV the OGL's added $500 price tag might be worth it and that difference could be reduced once the OGL has been on the market for awhile. Would I pay $300 more for an all metal body OGL? Yup, granted $500 is in the territory where I'm going to start questioning my choice, but I doubt that the price gap will stay that wide for long. Anyone waiting on the civilian OGL to buy a laser is  .Either pony up and get a MAWL or RAID-Xe, get a brand new full power PEQ-15 (mid price option) or get a DBAL-D2 (cheapest option) |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:31:38 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone waiting on the civilian OGL to buy a laser is .Either pony up and get a MAWL or RAID-Xe, get a brand new full power PEQ-15 (mid price option) or get a DBAL-D2 (cheapest option) Designate IRV > FP PEQ any day of the week. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:21:57 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Designate IRV > FP PEQ any day of the week. Not for me till they address the issue with their rail clamp. But it does look promising. |
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