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Posted: 8/14/2023 5:12:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davidb1982: 18” and 20” models inbound from Springfield armory. Details? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 7:05:48 AM EDT
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Well. That would be interesting if true. Considering HS Produkt only makes 16.1 and 19.6, so 16 and 20 in guns for military use.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 8:53:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davidb1982: 18” and 20” models inbound from Springfield armory. Damn. I'd be in for a 20 for sure. |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 9:42:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Stonia]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: Details? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: Originally Posted By davidb1982: 18” and 20” models inbound from Springfield armory. Details? There was a reddit post claiming such, but the link went to a Springfield page requiring a log-in.  Attached File |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 10:19:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Scrapple]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stonia: There was a reddit post claiming such, but the link went to a Springfield page requiring a log-in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230814_084756_Reddit_jpg-2919253.JPG I think the interesting part is that the claim was made that the rifles would include an updated safety. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 10:22:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack_Flag]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: I think the interesting part is that the claim was made that the rifles would include an updated safety. There is already a slightly redesigned safety on recently imported/made rifles. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpringfieldArmory/comments/14viku0/picked_up_a_hellion_with_the_new_safety_initial/ |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 11:03:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stonia: There was a reddit post claiming such, but the link went to a Springfield page requiring a log-in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230814_084756_Reddit_jpg-2919253.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stonia: Originally Posted By Scrapple: Originally Posted By davidb1982: 18” and 20” models inbound from Springfield armory. Details? There was a reddit post claiming such, but the link went to a Springfield page requiring a log-in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230814_084756_Reddit_jpg-2919253.JPG Making links hot outside of screenshot... https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-18-inch-rifle/ https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-20-inch-rifle/ Hopefully the pages will go live before long. I'm absolutely interested in the 20" version. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 11:12:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Scrapple]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Flag: There is already a slightly redesigned safety on recently imported/made rifles. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpringfieldArmory/comments/14viku0/picked_up_a_hellion_with_the_new_safety_initial/ Well sonofabitch. Still like the Manticore one though. Just interested to see what options there are. Edit: Springfield told me that they are not retrofitting Hellion rifles at this time. The customer service rep agreed with my stance on that, and hopes that it will be offered as either a retrofit kit, or as a service in the future. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 2:36:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: Well sonofabitch. Still like the Manticore one though. Just interested to see what options there are. Edit: Springfield told me that they are not retrofitting Hellion rifles at this time. The customer service rep agreed with my stance on that, and hopes that it will be offered as either a retrofit kit, or as a service in the future. Maybe I'm in the minority here but I've never had much of an issue with the safety. Do people just not like that it's different from the AR or is it out of reach with different sized hands or something? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 3:30:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Maybe I'm in the minority here but I've never had much of an issue with the safety. Do people just not like that it's different from the AR or is it out of reach with different sized hands or something? It's awkwardly angled and hard to reach quickly. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 6:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Maybe I'm in the minority here but I've never had much of an issue with the safety. Do people just not like that it's different from the AR or is it out of reach with different sized hands or something? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Originally Posted By Scrapple: Well sonofabitch. Still like the Manticore one though. Just interested to see what options there are. Edit: Springfield told me that they are not retrofitting Hellion rifles at this time. The customer service rep agreed with my stance on that, and hopes that it will be offered as either a retrofit kit, or as a service in the future. Maybe I'm in the minority here but I've never had much of an issue with the safety. Do people just not like that it's different from the AR or is it out of reach with different sized hands or something? I am in the same boat ... now the rifle could use a magfunnel baaaaad but the safety is 100% workable. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 7:20:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: I am in the same boat ... now the rifle could use a magfunnel baaaaad but the safety is 100% workable. A magwell, better trigger, and maybe a lengthened or more versatile handguard would be perfect. |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 8:47:32 PM EDT
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I can't complain about the safety much. It's not as ideally placed as the AR, but it's not bad. That said, the "AK Style" (trigger finger) aftermarket safety levers made for the CZ Scorpion would work well on the VHS and are by far the best I've used.
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USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 10:44:19 PM EDT
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Can we now say the ‘Gen 1’s’ safety is a collector and thus I’m going to put it up for $2200 in order to get the 20” spice delivery mobile?
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USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 11:19:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: Making links hot outside of screenshot... https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-18-inch-rifle/ https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-20-inch-rifle/ Hopefully the pages will go live before long. I'm absolutely interested in the 20" version. They are live now, 20” comes with a bayonet lug! 20”   18” 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 7:55:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47: They are live now, 20” comes with a bayonet lug! 20” https://files.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/HL920556B_LA.jpg https://files.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/HL920556B-fb2-1200x1200-1-1024x1024.jpg 18” https://files.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/HL918556B_R.jpg The 20" looks great. The 18" should have a bayonet lug also, for those who want to use a longer muzzle device for suppressor mounting, but also want the ability to mount a bayonet. |
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Posted: 8/15/2023 8:03:58 AM EDT
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I really want that 20" with the bayonet lug. It has the military-style finned barrel, too.
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Posted: 8/15/2023 8:18:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47: They are live now, 20” comes with a bayonet lug! 20” https://files.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/HL920556B_LA.jpg https://files.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/HL920556B-fb2-1200x1200-1-1024x1024.jpg 18” https://files.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/HL918556B_R.jpg Oh yeah, that 20" is perfect. My credit card is screaming in terror. 
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Posted: 8/15/2023 9:03:15 AM EDT
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The 20" looks like it's also setup for launching rifle grenades.
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USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 9:12:39 AM EDT
[#20]
Dang you Springfield ... now I need a 20" ... hope that barrel becomes available as an option down the road ...
Hellion is honestly one of the best rifles on this planet ... |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 10:32:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BSJ]
[#21]
It's official...
https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/?utm_campaign=Hellcat&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=270337005&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8AGj9Mhn1Wv-eTtdOp4eTcy8vhLgvlYsRqqRDYvhk6mLtUdK4Zh0ZF9sAM_9vexv0JDLBjG1aKwPYMHPu2m5PvBlVvtA&utm_content=270337005&utm_source=hs_email |
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USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 11:34:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chris_1522: The 20" looks like it's also setup for launching rifle grenades. I have a feeling that the gas block doesn’t have a shut off setting for launching rifle grenades |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 12:11:37 PM EDT
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ARGGHHH.. I want that 20".. Why do yall do this to me :/
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 12:11:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSJ: It's official... https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/?utm_campaign=Hellcat&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=270337005&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8AGj9Mhn1Wv-eTtdOp4eTcy8vhLgvlYsRqqRDYvhk6mLtUdK4Zh0ZF9sAM_9vexv0JDLBjG1aKwPYMHPu2m5PvBlVvtA&utm_content=270337005&utm_source=hs_email That 20" with an over the barrel can would be a hell of a package. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 12:17:33 PM EDT
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Oh boy... I am getting that 20 incher before year's end.
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Posted: 8/15/2023 12:31:00 PM EDT
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Would love the 20” version myself. Sadly, Washington doesn’t allow it anymore.
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USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 1:11:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davidb1982: Would love the 20” version myself. Sadly, Washington doesn’t allow it anymore. Sounds like its time to move out of the commie state ... |
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Posted: 8/15/2023 1:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: That 20" with an over the barrel can would be a hell of a package. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Originally Posted By BSJ: It's official... https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/?utm_campaign=Hellcat&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=270337005&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8AGj9Mhn1Wv-eTtdOp4eTcy8vhLgvlYsRqqRDYvhk6mLtUdK4Zh0ZF9sAM_9vexv0JDLBjG1aKwPYMHPu2m5PvBlVvtA&utm_content=270337005&utm_source=hs_email That 20" with an over the barrel can would be a hell of a package. This is what I'm thinking. I want that 20 inch....but a reflex can would seal the deal. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 1:28:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stonia: This is what I'm thinking. I want that 20 inch....but a reflex can would seal the deal. AMTAC has OTB cans and I believe Griffin does or have offered OTB cans ... |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 1:40:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: AMTAC has OTB cans and I believe Griffin does or have offered OTB cans ... Yep griffin has the PSR series and it definitely looks like that 20 would have room for the muzzle device. |
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Posted: 8/15/2023 4:24:52 PM EDT
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Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping!
 Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks  Hellion Enhanced Safety System install Sven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 7:39:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Damn. I'd be in for a 20 for sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karter14171: Originally Posted By davidb1982: 18” and 20” models inbound from Springfield armory. Damn. I'd be in for a 20 for sure. Same. If I can get one around $1.8k out the door I'll be all over it. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/15/2023 10:34:17 PM EDT
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It'd be nice to be able to buy the 20 inch barrel assembly and install it.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2023 12:11:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uys: It'd be nice to be able to buy the 20 inch barrel assembly and install it. It'd be nice just to be able to get some parts for the thing. It's a very reliable rifle as it stands but still, I like to have some stuff on hand in the rare case it were to go down. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2023 1:01:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_safety_3_edit-2884423.jpg Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0e3Bc2otESven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. Looks great, Sven! Since the levers are screwed onto the axle, any chance of making a delete lever for the side you aren’t using? |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2023 9:30:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_safety_3_edit-2884423.jpg Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0e3Bc2otESven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. I can see the advantage of your kit over installing the VHS MkII lever. Getting their roll pin started and fully seated would be a nightmare! |
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USA
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Posted: 8/16/2023 9:42:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_safety_3_edit-2884423.jpg Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0e3Bc2otESven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. Very well designed kit ... well done! Time to save up! I'd prefer torx screws ... ;) |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 10:43:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Looks great, Sven! Since the levers are screwed onto the axle, any chance of making a delete lever for the side you aren’t using? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_safety_3_edit-2884423.jpg Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0e3Bc2otESven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. Looks great, Sven! Since the levers are screwed onto the axle, any chance of making a delete lever for the side you aren’t using? @willi3d It had not occurred to me that some people may want a delete for on side, but we can certainly look into it! Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 10:44:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Very well designed kit ... well done! Time to save up! I'd prefer torx screws ... ;) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_safety_3_edit-2884423.jpg Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0e3Bc2otESven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. Very well designed kit ... well done! Time to save up! I'd prefer torx screws ... ;) @thehun06 We went with torx screws.  Sven Manticore Arms |
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USA
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Posted: 8/16/2023 10:45:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @thehun06 We went with torx screws. Sven Manticore Arms Solid! |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 6:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @willi3d It had not occurred to me that some people may want a delete for on side, but we can certainly look into it! Sven Manticore Arms Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Originally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_safety_3_edit-2884423.jpg Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0e3Bc2otESven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. Looks great, Sven! Since the levers are screwed onto the axle, any chance of making a delete lever for the side you aren’t using? @willi3d It had not occurred to me that some people may want a delete for on side, but we can certainly look into it! Sven Manticore Arms Include a Dremel cut-off wheel in the packaging?
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USA
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Posted: 8/16/2023 11:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Sorry for the delay, but the Hellion Enhanced Safety System is now in stock and shipping! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/Hellion_safety_3_edit-2884423.jpg Here is the installation video which covers all the procedure, tips, and tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0e3Bc2otESven Manticore Arms P.S. We had A LOT of people sign up for in stock notification, and have not put all of the inventory on the webstore, so if it says "out of stock" overnight, don't worry, more will be listed by tomorrow (wednesday 8/16) morning. Awesome work gents! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/17/2023 12:32:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 1:19:00 PM EDT
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With how accurate the Hellion is I may buy the 20" and set it up as an SPR/DMR.
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USA
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Posted: 8/17/2023 1:27:46 PM EDT
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Just bought mine last week as previously noted. Today I purchased both a Magpul front vertical foregrip (first time using one of those for a rifle), and the Manticore safety lever. Let's see which I receive first...
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NV, USA
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Posted: 8/17/2023 2:16:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spydercomonkey]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: Making links hot outside of screenshot... https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-18-inch-rifle/ https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-20-inch-rifle/ Hopefully the pages will go live before long. I'm absolutely interested in the 20" version. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: Originally Posted By Stonia: Originally Posted By Scrapple: Originally Posted By davidb1982: 18” and 20” models inbound from Springfield armory. Details? There was a reddit post claiming such, but the link went to a Springfield page requiring a log-in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230814_084756_Reddit_jpg-2919253.JPG Making links hot outside of screenshot... https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-18-inch-rifle/ https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-20-inch-rifle/ Hopefully the pages will go live before long. I'm absolutely interested in the 20" version. They bayonet lug may have sold me on the 20" as well. Anyone know if these will work with regular US bayonets? Or does it need a special bayonet?  Also are the 20" barrels Cold Hammer Forged? I recall reading the 16" ones were? But it's not listed in the ad copy. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:21:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:05:58 AM EDT
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How much of POI shift did you see after putting everything back together?
Also, what torque value do you recommend for the screws? |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 1:49:05 AM EDT
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I don't get it. Isn't the reason for owning a bullpup is to have the most compact weapon with rifle caliber performance? The compact size makes it suitable for vehicle operations, urban warfare, truck gun, home defense gun, etc. 16" bullpups are very compact for their bbl length and adding a suppressor will still keep it a more compact rifle than most other rifle platforms without a suppressor. Yet, a lot of members here are very excited about going to the bigger 20 inch Hellion bbl. Now you're entering 32-34 inches OAL territory which in my opinion negates the major benefit of the bullpup platform and puts you back in to 16" AR territory.
I was very happy to have my 16" X95 but ecstatic when my shorter, 13 inch, X95 factory SBR was approved. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:06:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kenzo: I don't get it. Isn't the reason for owning a bullpup is to have the most compact weapon with rifle caliber performance? The compact size makes it suitable for vehicle operations, urban warfare, truck gun, home defense gun, etc. 16" bullpups are very compact for their bbl length and adding a suppressor will still keep it a more compact rifle than most other rifle platforms without a suppressor. Yet, a lot of members here are very excited about going to the bigger 20 inch Hellion bbl. Now you're entering 32-34 inches OAL territory which in my opinion negates the major benefit of the bullpup platform and puts you back in to 16" AR territory. I was very happy to have my 16" X95 but ecstatic when my shorter, 13 inch, X95 factory SBR was approved. I still have and use 20inch AR uppers. I like that I can have 20 inch barrel performance in a 16 inch AR package. Don't get me wrong, I like the 16 inch bullpup for the reasons you stated. I shoot mine more than my SBR AR. |
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