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Posted: 5/31/2013 11:46:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thompsondd]
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Thanks for all the pics and informative posts. I have learned a lot. I will get pics of my setup soon for review/feedback. Running an large HSGI Sure Grip (I have a med that I sorta 'outgrew'  - not sure to sell it or build for the wife).I am still struggling with proper ammo pouches (I have single pistol and rifle HSGI Tacos as well as some stacked double Tacos as well as some Emdom and TT pouches) as well as holster, IFAK, dump pouch, tools, water, knives, etc. Needless to say, I have tons of extra stuff that I need to figure out what to do with once I finalize my setup). What should be REQUIRED vs optional on the war belt? I keep trying to put everything but the kitchen sink on mine. I'm thinking REQUIRED two (2) pistol mags two (2) AR mags holster IFAK water???? OPTIONAL water?? dump pouch (I have noticed some use dump pouches and others don't - curious as to why? They seem to take up a lot of room) multitool/flashligh small knife (ESSE Izula or ESSE 3) Curious to see a verbal breakdown of REQUIRED/OPTIONAL items. I saw a post earlier in the thread where someone mention another users belt was looking more like LBE rather than a warbelt. What constitutes a warbelt vs when does it become LBE? |
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Posted: 5/31/2013 12:06:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Page 73 OWNAGE Thanks for all the pics and informative posts. I have learned a lot. I will get pics of my setup soon for review/feedback. Running an large HSGI Sure Grip (I have a med that I sorta 'outgrew' - not sure to sell it or build for the wife).I am still struggling with proper ammo pouches (I have single pistol and rifle HSGI Tacos as well as some stacked double Tacos as well as some Emdom and TT pouches) as well as holster, IFAK, dump pouch, tools, water, knives, etc. Needless to say, I have tons of extra stuff that I need to figure out what to do with once I finalize my setup). What should be REQUIRED vs optional on the war belt? I keep trying to put everything but the kitchen sink on mine. I'm thinking REQUIRED two (2) pistol mags two (2) AR mags holster IFAK water???? OPTIONAL water?? dump pouch multitool/flashligh small knife (ESSE Izula or ESSE 3) Curious to see a verbal breakdown of REQUIRED/OPTIONAL items. I saw a post earlier in the thread where someone mention another users belt was looking more like LBE rather than a warbelt. What constitutes a warbelt vs when does it become LBE? LBE has shoulder portions. I don't have water on my warbelt but I do have a firstspear double pistol mag pouch which holds a leathermand and streamlight. I think water, multitool, and fixed blade are optional. 
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Posted: 5/31/2013 12:25:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thompsondd]
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By thompsondd: Page 73 OWNAGE Thanks for all the pics and informative posts. I have learned a lot. I will get pics of my setup soon for review/feedback. Running an large HSGI Sure Grip (I have a med that I sorta 'outgrew' - not sure to sell it or build for the wife).I am still struggling with proper ammo pouches (I have single pistol and rifle HSGI Tacos as well as some stacked double Tacos as well as some Emdom and TT pouches) as well as holster, IFAK, dump pouch, tools, water, knives, etc. Needless to say, I have tons of extra stuff that I need to figure out what to do with once I finalize my setup). What should be REQUIRED vs optional on the war belt? I keep trying to put everything but the kitchen sink on mine. I'm thinking REQUIRED two (2) pistol mags two (2) AR mags holster IFAK water???? OPTIONAL water?? dump pouch multitool/flashligh small knife (ESSE Izula or ESSE 3) Curious to see a verbal breakdown of REQUIRED/OPTIONAL items. I saw a post earlier in the thread where someone mention another users belt was looking more like LBE rather than a warbelt. What constitutes a warbelt vs when does it become LBE? LBE has shoulder portions. I don't have water on my warbelt but I do have a firstspear double pistol mag pouch which holds a leathermand and streamlight. I think water, multitool, and fixed blade are optional. http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3572_zps1a0ca5a1.jpg Running the large HSGI Sure Grip belt, you only have 23 columns of MOLLE. FYI - Small HSGI has 16 columns of MOLLE Medium HSGI has 20 columns of MOLLE Large HSGI has 23 columns of MOLLE X Large HSGI has 27 columns of MOLLE Who says there isn't an advantage to being a little overweight? The bigger you get, the more real estate you have to attach stuff to. I would almost like to see a breakdown of MOLLE columns of how people run their gear. From left to right HSGI Pistol Taco - column 1 HSGI Pistol Taco - column 2 HSGI Rifle Taco - columns 3 & 4 HSGI Rifle Taco - columns 5 & 6 HSGO Mag-Net - columns 7-11 etc thinking of switching the Mag-net out for a EGL Loopy or even a Blue Force Gear dump pouch if I can ever find one in stock in Multicam just for the smaller footprint. I just keep running out of real estate. I seem to be able to justify putting one or two of everything on my belt. Having a hard time getting rid of the 'wants' and sticking to the 'must haves'. I'm good with the 'must haves'. Its just not adding in the 'wants' that I need to get over. |
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Posted: 5/31/2013 12:42:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Originally Posted By thompsondd:
snip [/div][div] I can count molle rows for you later today. The way the belt curves around your body makes it more forgiving with more stuff - the angles make it a lot less cramped. My solution is to almost always run the belt in conjunction with a chest rig or PC. The belt is my speed items. |
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Posted: 5/31/2013 12:52:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thompsondd]
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: I can count molle rows for you later today. The way the belt curves around your body makes it more forgiving with more stuff - the angles make it a lot less cramped. My solution is to almost always run the belt in conjunction with a chest rig or PC. The belt is my speed items. What knife is that? |
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Posted: 5/31/2013 12:54:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
I can count molle rows for you later today. The way the belt curves around your body makes it more forgiving with more stuff - the angles make it a lot less cramped. My solution is to almost always run the belt in conjunction with a chest rig or PC. The belt is my speed items. What knife is that? Rat RC 4 |
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Posted: 5/31/2013 3:35:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thompsondd]
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By thompsondd: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: I can count molle rows for you later today. The way the belt curves around your body makes it more forgiving with more stuff - the angles make it a lot less cramped. My solution is to almost always run the belt in conjunction with a chest rig or PC. The belt is my speed items. What knife is that? Rat RC 4 Which is now essentially an ESSE 4, correct? If so, how did you attach it to the belt? Did you use the MOLLE attachment? 550 cord? |
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Posted: 5/31/2013 4:05:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
I can count molle rows for you later today. The way the belt curves around your body makes it more forgiving with more stuff - the angles make it a lot less cramped. My solution is to almost always run the belt in conjunction with a chest rig or PC. The belt is my speed items. What knife is that? Rat RC 4 Which is now essentially an ESSE 4, correct? If so, how did you attach it to the belt? Did you use the MOLLE attachment? 550 cord? Correct. I used some 550 cord and pulled it tight, used a square knot |
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Posted: 6/3/2013 1:20:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 503Gunslinger:
<a href="http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/ranger11596/media/954831_573763949320584_1967775517_n.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r527/ranger11596/954831_573763949320584_1967775517_n.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/ranger11596/media/485518_573763999320579_2006119621_n.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r527/ranger11596/485518_573763999320579_2006119621_n.jpg</a> BDS Tactical MOLLE Belt BDS Tactical 2" Duty belt Esstak Double Shorty AR mag pouch Esstak Tripple Pistol pouch Blue force gear 10 spead double pistol pouch makpedition rolly polly Bravo Concealment M&P 9mm holster How do you like the stuff from BDS? Look spriced right but I have been leaning towards HSGI stuff. |
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Posted: 6/7/2013 11:06:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rusty-Shackleford]
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http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3572_zps1a0ca5a1.jpg
Brad, could you tell me about your holster set up? |
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Posted: 6/7/2013 11:16:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:
Originally Posted By 503Gunslinger:
<a href="http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/ranger11596/media/954831_573763949320584_1967775517_n.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r527/ranger11596/954831_573763949320584_1967775517_n.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/ranger11596/media/485518_573763999320579_2006119621_n.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r527/ranger11596/485518_573763999320579_2006119621_n.jpg</a> BDS Tactical MOLLE Belt BDS Tactical 2" Duty belt Esstak Double Shorty AR mag pouch Esstak Tripple Pistol pouch Blue force gear 10 spead double pistol pouch makpedition rolly polly Bravo Concealment M&P 9mm holster How do you like the stuff from BDS? Look spriced right but I have been leaning towards HSGI stuff. Check here. A couple of us are very unhappy with BDS. Then again, a lot of people hate OSOE which I dearly love, so like anything, YMMV.... Recent Thread About BDS |
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Posted: 6/7/2013 11:56:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rusty-Shackleford:
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3572_zps1a0ca5a1.jpg Brad, could you tell me about your holster set up? None of the big companies make a tactical holster for the P-07 with a TLR-1s. It's custom made holster from Warhog Custom - member here, can be found in the 90+ page custom kydex thread in the survival forum. .080" multicam kydex from knife kits G-code RTI drop and RTI adaptor molded into the kydex holster. |
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Posted: 6/8/2013 12:44:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rusty-Shackleford]
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Thanks
I'm in the same situation, I have a FNX 45 tact with TRL-1. I like the looks of your set up. |
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Posted: 6/12/2013 12:07:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: reapur]
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What did you use to drop that holster lower like that?
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By thompsondd:
Page 73 OWNAGE Thanks for all the pics and informative posts. I have learned a lot. I will get pics of my setup soon for review/feedback. Running an large HSGI Sure Grip (I have a med that I sorta 'outgrew' - not sure to sell it or build for the wife).I am still struggling with proper ammo pouches (I have single pistol and rifle HSGI Tacos as well as some stacked double Tacos as well as some Emdom and TT pouches) as well as holster, IFAK, dump pouch, tools, water, knives, etc. Needless to say, I have tons of extra stuff that I need to figure out what to do with once I finalize my setup). What should be REQUIRED vs optional on the war belt? I keep trying to put everything but the kitchen sink on mine. I'm thinking REQUIRED two (2) pistol mags two (2) AR mags holster IFAK water???? OPTIONAL water?? dump pouch multitool/flashligh small knife (ESSE Izula or ESSE 3) Curious to see a verbal breakdown of REQUIRED/OPTIONAL items. I saw a post earlier in the thread where someone mention another users belt was looking more like LBE rather than a warbelt. What constitutes a warbelt vs when does it become LBE? LBE has shoulder portions. I don't have water on my warbelt but I do have a firstspear double pistol mag pouch which holds a leathermand and streamlight. I think water, multitool, and fixed blade are optional. <a href="http://s361.photobucket.com/user/bradpierson26/media/IMG_3572_zps1a0ca5a1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3572_zps1a0ca5a1.jpg</a> |
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Posted: 6/12/2013 12:17:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2013 12:44:12 PM EDT
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2013 10:59:08 PM EDT
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i like it. but the hsgi looks more grippy on the belt. might slide up less
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UT, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2013 11:35:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Redcrown505]
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Nice setup Whiplash. Love the minimalist approach, and especially like those short rifle mag pouches.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/13/2013 8:50:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Redcrown505:
Nice setup Whiplash. Love the minimalist approach, and especially like those short rifle mag pouches. Thanks - like to keep things as streamlied as possible. Just because the molles free, doesn't mean it needs to be filled. I do need to get a multitool touch and throw that on there though. |
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Posted: 6/13/2013 10:27:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 503Gunslinger:
i like it. but the hsgi looks more grippy on the belt. might slide up less Yes, but it doesn't breathe very well. Might not be an issue for you but keep that in mind |
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Posted: 6/13/2013 3:43:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Good news guys, TACOs will hold aluminum cans
16oz Rcokstar: 
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Posted: 6/13/2013 4:44:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Good news guys, TACOs will hold aluminum cans 16oz Rcokstar:
<a href="http://s361.photobucket.com/user/bradpierson26/media/IMG_3651_zps764c75b6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3651_zps764c75b6.jpg</a> <a href="http://s361.photobucket.com/user/bradpierson26/media/IMG_3666_zpsae4f9264.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3666_zpsae4f9264.jpg</a> Nice! Back in the old days, I found out my issued LBV would perfectly hold Frappucchino bottles... Guess who carried no mags to the field! 
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Posted: 6/13/2013 6:32:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Good news guys, TACOs will hold aluminum cans 16oz Rcokstar:
<a href="http://s361.photobucket.com/user/bradpierson26/media/IMG_3651_zps764c75b6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3651_zps764c75b6.jpg</a> <a href="http://s361.photobucket.com/user/bradpierson26/media/IMG_3666_zpsae4f9264.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3666_zpsae4f9264.jpg</a> Oh shit, I think you accidently put the wrong can in there.  
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Posted: 6/13/2013 6:47:35 PM EDT
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Eagle Cobra inner belt
HSGI warbelt Tacos - 2 rifle, 2 pistol G Code 2" drop belt slide OTG ADR Mk III light/no light Glock 35 w/ TLR-1 2 22 round Glock mags 2 30 round P Mags ESEE 3 
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Posted: 6/13/2013 8:11:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Good news guys, TACOs will hold aluminum cans 16oz Rcokstar:
<a href="http://s361.photobucket.com/user/bradpierson26/media/IMG_3651_zps764c75b6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3651_zps764c75b6.jpg</a> <a href="http://s361.photobucket.com/user/bradpierson26/media/IMG_3666_zpsae4f9264.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_3666_zpsae4f9264.jpg</a> I'm waiting for the thread titled "What's the best way to clean a sugary energy drink out of my war belt?"
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Posted: 6/13/2013 10:24:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
Eagle Cobra inner belt HSGI warbelt Tacos - 2 rifle, 2 pistol G Code 2" drop belt slide OTG ADR Mk III light/no light Glock 35 w/ TLR-1 2 22 round Glock mags 2 30 round P Mags ESEE 3 http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/thejeanyus/20130613_172301_zps2b7f16e0.jpg How do you like the OTG holster? I've had my eye on them for awhile and was wondering how well the 'light bar' works when running no light. |
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Posted: 6/13/2013 11:00:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Redcrown505:
Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
Eagle Cobra inner belt HSGI warbelt Tacos - 2 rifle, 2 pistol G Code 2" drop belt slide OTG ADR Mk III light/no light Glock 35 w/ TLR-1 2 22 round Glock mags 2 30 round P Mags ESEE 3 http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/thejeanyus/20130613_172301_zps2b7f16e0.jpg How do you like the OTG holster? I've had my eye on them for awhile and was wondering how well the 'light bar' works when running no light. I have only messed with it around the house so far, but I love the holster. The "no light" bar works OK, but it is not as nice as a dedicated holster without the light. For a versatile "one holster to do it all", it works fine. I'll primarily be using it with a light, but for the small up charge I figured the extra versatility might be nice. |
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Posted: 6/13/2013 11:22:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
Originally Posted By Redcrown505:
Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
Eagle Cobra inner belt HSGI warbelt Tacos - 2 rifle, 2 pistol G Code 2" drop belt slide OTG ADR Mk III light/no light Glock 35 w/ TLR-1 2 22 round Glock mags 2 30 round P Mags ESEE 3 http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/thejeanyus/20130613_172301_zps2b7f16e0.jpg How do you like the OTG holster? I've had my eye on them for awhile and was wondering how well the 'light bar' works when running no light. I have only messed with it around the house so far, but I love the holster. The "no light" bar works OK, but it is not as nice as a dedicated holster without the light. For a versatile "one holster to do it all", it works fine. I'll primarily be using it with a light, but for the small up charge I figured the extra versatility might be nice. I have an OTG holster just like in that picture and i love it! It clicks in nicely and has adjustable retention. |
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Posted: 6/20/2013 12:09:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rogue4]
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- DSG 2-Piece Comp belt - Two G19 mags in kydex - G19 in kydex - Two 5.56 mags in FAST mags - Motorola XTS 5000 w/ Surv. kit (low pro antenna en route) - Two Tourniquets - Homemade IFAK w/ all the essentials (Israeli, Combat Gauze, chest seals, decomp needle, N.P. etc) All of this plus a low pro plate carrier actually conceals pretty well under a button up shirt. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 1:57:52 AM EDT
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Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts?
I am a firefighter/paramedic in a very large urban city and I have used a tourniquet 1 time in 37 years, and that was for a blast injury (pipe bomb). I have treated hundreds of gunshot wounds from .22 up to shot gun and high power rifles. I understand if you're in a war zone, but carrying it on your belt at the range seems over kill. An ABD. pad, roll of Kerlix, and direct pressure will stop bleeding on most any gunshot wound. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 4:19:37 AM EDT
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Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts?
Totally awesome first post Robert. Because they can. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 8:24:09 AM EDT
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As many times as I see new shooters sweeping the whole line, I'm surprised there aren't more NEGLIGENT discharges than there actually are. Better to have it and not need it.
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Posted: 6/24/2013 11:48:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RobertHode]
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Originally Posted By PATRIOT-IA:
Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts? Totally awesome first post Robert. Because they can. If you want to wear a first aid kit on your belt, knock your self out, it's your belt to put what ever you want on it. I asked the question because I have never seen a shooting event, be it 3 gun, IDPA, tac rifle, etc. where people wore first aid kits with their gear. Street LEO don't wear them on their belts either. I just got my belt together for some multi-gun events I do, saw this thread on google, and checked it out to see what people carry. I saw a large amount carry a first aid kit and tourniquet. Based on my background I was curious why. Not ragging on anyone, just wondering. If they carry it "because they can" great. Are there additional reasons people cary them? |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 12:46:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Originally Posted By PATRIOT-IA:
Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts? Totally awesome first post Robert. Because they can. If you want to wear a first aid kit on your belt, knock your self out, it's your belt to put what ever you want on it. I asked the question because I have never seen a shooting event, be it 3 gun, IDPA, tac rifle, etc. where people wore first aid kits with their gear. Semi controlled environment with staff and professionals on site. It's a game, speed is king. why carry an IFAK the scorer 3 ft behind you can carry it? Street LEO don't wear them on their belts either They don't use their weapons all day either. Not a valid argument.. I just got my belt together for some multi-gun events I do, saw this thread on google, and checked it out to see what people carry. I saw a large amount carry a first aid kit and tourniquet. TQ usage has evolved a LOT in the last decade. It's no longer frowned upon as a hemorrhage stopper. Based on my background I was curious why. Not ragging on anyone, just wondering. There's an old adage on arfcom - Anyone that says based on my professional experience is about to say something extremely naive or asinine. Not attacking you, just thought I'd point it out. If they carry it "because they can" great. Are there additional reasons people cary them? $1,000 rifle, $600 pistol $1,500 in accessories, $300 in ammo but not $100 in medical equipment? WTF, over Medical equipment isn't CDI gear, it's not fun or exciting, it's GOD DAMN MANDATORY though. A cat TQ can be had for $20. I have them plastered everywhere. Range gear, SHTF gear, both vehicles, BOB, etc The question should not be "why" - it should be "why not" I'll take a stab at this. I have a HSGI bleeder on my warbelt and all my chest rigs. I have a larger IFAK on my plate carrier. My gear is designed to be used in conjunction as well as independently. That means ammo for primary and secondary and IFAk at the minimum on every piece of gear. Some also have water, tools, etc I shoot in the desert, 25 minutes from any town, 50 from a hospital and 3 minutes from cell service. No range master, no firing line, no EMS qualified range staff. We do drills, shooting and moving, etc. That makes handling a gun even more complex. You'd be a moron to not have at least some medical gear present. I've been that moron before... I've been two spots over on a firing line when an acquaintance of mine was shot via ND. He died in my arms. That was partially the nature of the wound but also the fact that out of 20 ppl, not a single person, including active duty MIL and vets, had a single piece of medical gear and we were in a remote location. Cops have radios, partners, cruisers. They don't need to carry IFAKs on their first line gear. They're using their weapons a VERY small percentage of the time as well. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 1:09:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Originally Posted By PATRIOT-IA:
Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts? Totally awesome first post Robert. Because they can. If you want to wear a first aid kit on your belt, knock your self out, it's your belt to put what ever you want on it. I asked the question because I have never seen a shooting event, be it 3 gun, IDPA, tac rifle, etc. where people wore first aid kits with their gear. Semi controlled environment with staff and professionals on site. It's a game, speed is king. why carry an IFAK the scorer 3 ft behind you can carry it? Street LEO don't wear them on their belts either They don't use their weapons all day either. Not a valid argument.. I just got my belt together for some multi-gun events I do, saw this thread on google, and checked it out to see what people carry. I saw a large amount carry a first aid kit and tourniquet. TQ usage has evolved a LOT in the last decade. It's no longer frowned upon as a hemorrhage stopper. Based on my background I was curious why. Not ragging on anyone, just wondering. There's an old adage on arfcom - Anyone that says based on my professional experience is about to say something extremely naive or asinine. Not attacking you, just thought I'd point it out. If they carry it "because they can" great. Are there additional reasons people cary them? $1,000 rifle, $600 pistol $1,500 in accessories, $300 in ammo but not $100 in medical equipment? WTF, over Medical equipment isn't CDI gear, it's not fun or exciting, it's GOD DAMN MANDATORY though. A cat TQ can be had for $20. I have them plastered everywhere. Range gear, SHTF gear, both vehicles, BOB, etc The question should not be "why" - it should be "why not" I'll take a stab at this. I have a HSGI bleeder on my warbelt and all my chest rigs. I have a larger IFAK on my plate carrier. My gear is designed to be used in conjunction as well as independently. That means ammo for primary and secondary and IFAk at the minimum on every piece of gear. Some also have water, tools, etc I shoot in the desert, 25 minutes from any town, 50 from a hospital and 3 minutes from cell service. No range master, no firing line, no EMS qualified range staff. We do drills, shooting and moving, etc. That makes handling a gun even more complex. You'd be a moron to not have at least some medical gear present. I've been that moron before... I've been two spots over on a firing line when an acquaintance of mine was shot via ND. He died in my arms. That was partially the nature of the wound but also the fact that out of 20 ppl, not a single person, including active duty MIL and vets, had a single piece of medical gear and we were in a remote location. Cops have radios, partners, cruisers. They don't need to carry IFAKs on their first line gear. They're using their weapons a VERY small percentage of the time as well. bradpierson26: I shoot in roughly the same conditions as you and your reply hit the nail right on the head. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 1:13:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts? I am a firefighter/paramedic in a very large urban city and I have used a tourniquet 1 time in 37 years, and that was for a blast injury (pipe bomb). I have treated hundreds of gunshot wounds from .22 up to shot gun and high power rifles. I understand if you're in a war zone, but carrying it on your belt at the range seems over kill. An ABD. pad, roll of Kerlix, and direct pressure will stop bleeding on most any gunshot wound. If this was aimed at the post above yours it's because I do low profile work in A'stan and that belt is all I wear for gear other than a under the shirt plate carrier. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 2:35:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RobertHode]
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You seem to not understand what I was saying.
The context of my question is that most, not all, people talking about their belts are at a public range when using them. If you're in a combat zone, carry a first aid kit on you at all times. If you're at a public shooting range, having a first aid kit kept near you in a range bag should be fine. If you want to carry it on your person (war belt, chest rig) that's fine too, but it seems excessive IMHO. If you're out in the desert alone or with someone else, have it where you can get it if needed. As far as when and how to use medical gear, unless you're a combat medic or ER doc, be careful debating me or you may end up looking foolish. I gave my background as a foundation for my opinion. If you think it has no bearing on forming my opinion on the carrying and use of medical gear then... I don't carry a water bottle on my belt either, it's 10 feet away in my range bag. If I'm hiking around, then I carry it on me. It's incident driven. It doesn't mean that I don't think drinking water isn't important. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 2:41:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
You seem to not understand what I was saying. The context of my question is that most, not all, people talking about their belts are at a public range when using them. If you're in a combat zone, carry a first aid kit on you at all times. If you're at a public shooting range, carrying a first aid kit kept near you in a range bag should be fine. If you want to carry it on your person (war belt, chest rig) that's fine too, but it seems excessive IMHO. If you're out in the desert alone or with someone else, have it where you can get it if needed. As far as when and how to use medical gear, unless you're a combat medic or ER doc, be careful debating me or you may end up looking foolish. I gave my background as a foundation for my opinion. If you think it has no bearing on forming my opinion on the carrying and use of medical gear then... I don't carry a water bottle on my belt either, it's 10 feet away in my range bag. If I'm hiking around, then I carry it on me. It's incident driven. It doesn't mean that I don't think drinking water is important. Join date post count and state... debate over.
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Posted: 6/24/2013 2:44:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RobertHode]
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Join date post count and state... debate over.
So according to you all knowledge one has begins when you join this forum? Not so much. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 3:06:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Join date post count and state... debate over.
So according to you all knowledge one has begins when you join this forum? Not so much. Damn some people cant take a joke! |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 3:20:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RobertHode]
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Originally Posted By rksonex:
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Join date post count and state... debate over.
So according to you all knowledge one has begins when you join this forum? Not so much. Damn some people cant take a joke! In your case, it seems you can't tell a joke. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 3:58:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rogue4:
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts? I am a firefighter/paramedic in a very large urban city and I have used a tourniquet 1 time in 37 years, and that was for a blast injury (pipe bomb). I have treated hundreds of gunshot wounds from .22 up to shot gun and high power rifles. I understand if you're in a war zone, but carrying it on your belt at the range seems over kill. An ABD. pad, roll of Kerlix, and direct pressure will stop bleeding on most any gunshot wound. If this was aimed at the post above yours it's because I do low profile work in A'stan and that belt is all I wear for gear other than a under the shirt plate carrier. My post had nothing to do with yours. It was a general question. In your line of work I agree 100% with carrying it on your person. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 7:27:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
[#43]
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
You seem to not understand what I was saying. The context of my question is that most, not all, people talking about their belts are at a public range when using them. If you're in a combat zone, carry a first aid kit on you at all times. If you're at a public shooting range, having a first aid kit kept near you in a range bag should be fine. If you want to carry it on your person (war belt, chest rig) that's fine too, but it seems excessive IMHO. If you're out in the desert alone or with someone else, have it where you can get it if needed. As far as when and how to use medical gear, unless you're a combat medic or ER doc, be careful debating me or you may end up looking foolish. I gave my background as a foundation for my opinion. If you think it has no bearing on forming my opinion on the carrying and use of medical gear then... I don't carry a water bottle on my belt either, it's 10 feet away in my range bag. If I'm hiking around, then I carry it on me. It's incident driven. It doesn't mean that I don't think drinking water isn't important. If you can't understand why it would be desirable for some of us, then it must not be the right solution for you. pure and simple. We have this discussion like once a week. Just like we've dispelled the myth that cops are the only ones professional enough to carry a gun, we're dispelling the myth that only Docs and EMTs are professional enough to carry or administer medical care. My belt is where you I can get it if needed. It takes little space, virtually zero weight, WHY FRIGGIN NOT??? You seem to be making a huge deal out other people being cautious. Does it bother you when you see strangers put on their seat belt? How about when you see people look twice before crossing at a cross walk? Seriously, I get your inquisitive nature but you're coming across way over the top. And regardless of your real world experience, you will get hazed about coming on here and acting all holier than thou as a brand new member. Waaay too many jackasses like to talk a big game. Guess what, I sell life insurance as a profession but I couldn't tell you dick about universal life. Not my gig, I know how to stay in my lane. For a lot of us, our gear is for SHTF, zombies, TEOTWAWKI etc. Train as you fight, et al. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 7:35:19 PM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Originally Posted By PATRIOT-IA:
Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts? Totally awesome first post Robert. Because they can. If you want to wear a first aid kit on your belt, knock your self out, it's your belt to put what ever you want on it. I asked the question because I have never seen a shooting event, be it 3 gun, IDPA, tac rifle, etc. where people wore first aid kits with their gear. Street LEO don't wear them on their belts either. I just got my belt together for some multi-gun events I do, saw this thread on google, and checked it out to see what people carry. I saw a large amount carry a first aid kit and tourniquet. Based on my background I was curious why. Not ragging on anyone, just wondering. If they carry it "because they can" great. Are there additional reasons people cary them? First let me say welcome to ARFCOM!! We can be a testy bunch! I have been an RO part time for about 11 years. First aid kits TQ's and nerves of steel are required on a public range. I witnessed a man shoot himself in the leg reholstering a 9mm. Your a medic a TQ could have a use there correct? Not slamming your opinion. Just giving my reasons for carrying one and keeping it very close. Also I would not venture out shooting in a remote area without a bleeder pouch and TQ. As well as my booboo gear. Saved a burn victim who misjuged how long it took for an AR barrel to cool with that stuff 
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Posted: 6/24/2013 7:49:40 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By rksonex:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
Originally Posted By PATRIOT-IA:
Why do so many people have first aid kits and tourniquets on their war belts? Totally awesome first post Robert. Because they can. If you want to wear a first aid kit on your belt, knock your self out, it's your belt to put what ever you want on it. I asked the question because I have never seen a shooting event, be it 3 gun, IDPA, tac rifle, etc. where people wore first aid kits with their gear. Semi controlled environment with staff and professionals on site. It's a game, speed is king. why carry an IFAK the scorer 3 ft behind you can carry it? Street LEO don't wear them on their belts either They don't use their weapons all day either. Not a valid argument.. I just got my belt together for some multi-gun events I do, saw this thread on google, and checked it out to see what people carry. I saw a large amount carry a first aid kit and tourniquet. TQ usage has evolved a LOT in the last decade. It's no longer frowned upon as a hemorrhage stopper. Based on my background I was curious why. Not ragging on anyone, just wondering. There's an old adage on arfcom - Anyone that says based on my professional experience is about to say something extremely naive or asinine. Not attacking you, just thought I'd point it out. If they carry it "because they can" great. Are there additional reasons people cary them? $1,000 rifle, $600 pistol $1,500 in accessories, $300 in ammo but not $100 in medical equipment? WTF, over Medical equipment isn't CDI gear, it's not fun or exciting, it's GOD DAMN MANDATORY though. A cat TQ can be had for $20. I have them plastered everywhere. Range gear, SHTF gear, both vehicles, BOB, etc The question should not be "why" - it should be "why not" I'll take a stab at this. I have a HSGI bleeder on my warbelt and all my chest rigs. I have a larger IFAK on my plate carrier. My gear is designed to be used in conjunction as well as independently. That means ammo for primary and secondary and IFAk at the minimum on every piece of gear. Some also have water, tools, etc I shoot in the desert, 25 minutes from any town, 50 from a hospital and 3 minutes from cell service. No range master, no firing line, no EMS qualified range staff. We do drills, shooting and moving, etc. That makes handling a gun even more complex. You'd be a moron to not have at least some medical gear present. I've been that moron before... I've been two spots over on a firing line when an acquaintance of mine was shot via ND. He died in my arms. That was partially the nature of the wound but also the fact that out of 20 ppl, not a single person, including active duty MIL and vets, had a single piece of medical gear and we were in a remote location. Cops have radios, partners, cruisers. They don't need to carry IFAKs on their first line gear. They're using their weapons a VERY small percentage of the time as well. bradpierson26: I shoot in roughly the same conditions as you and your reply hit the nail right on the head. Kind of helps with plate armor sales. I think if I seen that in person, I would be wearing it every time I hit the range. I qualify with my agency once a year. Lot's of people who only shoot when they qualify. I've almost crapped my pants several times with carelessness on the range. This is with several range officers on the line. I think I'll update and add to my kit. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 7:51:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
You seem to not understand what I was saying. The context of my question is that most, not all, people talking about their belts are at a public range when using them. If you're in a combat zone, carry a first aid kit on you at all times. If you're at a public shooting range, having a first aid kit kept near you in a range bag should be fine. If you want to carry it on your person (war belt, chest rig) that's fine too, but it seems excessive IMHO. If you're out in the desert alone or with someone else, have it where you can get it if needed. As far as when and how to use medical gear, unless you're a combat medic or ER doc, be careful debating me or you may end up looking foolish. I gave my background as a foundation for my opinion. If you think it has no bearing on forming my opinion on the carrying and use of medical gear then... I don't carry a water bottle on my belt either, it's 10 feet away in my range bag. If I'm hiking around, then I carry it on me. It's incident driven. It doesn't mean that I don't think drinking water isn't important. A person needs to train how they would fight, and that includes in the gear they would fight in. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 8:01:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1fromtx:
Originally Posted By RobertHode:
You seem to not understand what I was saying. The context of my question is that most, not all, people talking about their belts are at a public range when using them. If you're in a combat zone, carry a first aid kit on you at all times. If you're at a public shooting range, having a first aid kit kept near you in a range bag should be fine. If you want to carry it on your person (war belt, chest rig) that's fine too, but it seems excessive IMHO. If you're out in the desert alone or with someone else, have it where you can get it if needed. As far as when and how to use medical gear, unless you're a combat medic or ER doc, be careful debating me or you may end up looking foolish. I gave my background as a foundation for my opinion. If you think it has no bearing on forming my opinion on the carrying and use of medical gear then... I don't carry a water bottle on my belt either, it's 10 feet away in my range bag. If I'm hiking around, then I carry it on me. It's incident driven. It doesn't mean that I don't think drinking water isn't important. A person needs to train how they would fight, and that includes in the gear they would fight in. hammer, meet nail |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 8:13:47 PM EDT
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http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p690/sanders1128/DSCN0020_zps3a61238a.jpg
ATS war belt HSGI riggers belt with cobra buckle TT suspenders (I know they're Atacs, but they were free. Right place right time) From left to right: Esstac kywi double pistol mag pouch 5.11 double pistol mag pouch (I like using this combo, because a. the lower mag tells me it's my last in case I lose count, and b, I use the 4th pouch for a light, that's why the flap's closed so I don't grab a light thinking it's a mag) ATS dump pouch 5.11 Distraction device pouch (This carries an M18 smoke grenade) Condor tear away IFAK (My next purchase will be to replace this with a better IFAK) Safariland ALS quick disconnect drop leg holster (I took the QD off which raised the holster quite nicely. I then removed the top strap and the holster sits just below the belt line. Very comfy) Atatched to the drop leg is an ASP baton behind and another 5.11 DD pouch in which I place a DD during an op. Also present in the picture is my pro mask pouch. Some of our ops require pro mask, but not all so I wanted a way to carry when I wanted to and not all the time. More details in the next pic Pro Mask set up http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p690/sanders1128/DSCN0021_zpsdd2bdb7e.jpg As you can see, I used two S-Biners around each of the straps at the top. I then used the leg strap I removed from my holster and fed through the bottom. I have two loops of paracord on my belt to which the S-biners clip to when needed, so my pro mask rides on my left thigh when needed and sits nice and high. I tried mounting it on a drop leg platform, but it rides way too low and sits at my knee. Not good |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 8:39:56 PM EDT
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Wear any gear you want, anywhere you want.
I "train" at work and "play" at the range. I wear a "war belt" when I "play" at the range. I'm not training for war or anything else, I'm just playing. Its sole purpose to me is to carry a side arm and magazines from stage to stage while I'm playing. I have no use for it other than that. If I or someone gets injured at the range, I or someone else can walk 10 feet and get my first aid kit (I'm not sure what you guys are calling it) and do what needs to be done. I have never seen a kit carried on a belt in any shooting sport I'm aware of, so I was wondering why it seemed to be standard issue on a "war belt" not being used in a war. If I was "over the top" in wondering why this was so, it might just be you are a little thin skinned about responding with more than just "because they can". To me it REALLY ISN'T A BIG DEAL where and what you carry, but the responses I'm getting back are entertaining. I"m not attacking you or your mother. |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 8:50:42 PM EDT
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I can say for me, it's a must. My team is primarily a tactical woodland and tracking team. We have large areas of National Forest in our county and at times, we can find ourselves miles from the nearest road. Luckily I have never had to use it, but it is nice to know I have some means of stopping me from bleeding out if I were to suffer from any major medical issue, especially a gunshot wound. I don't see what the big deal is, if they want to carry it, and can, then my motto is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. While I understand your point of view, there are plenty of LEO teams that find themselves a long ways from immediate medical care, even here in good ole CONUS. Knowing someone can bleed out in minutes, I'd like to have some type of chance to slow that process so I can get adequate medical care and not be dead when they get there. Just my opinion.
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