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Link Posted: 6/13/2024 11:50:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MS556] [#1]
Are traditional hunting semiauto rifles an option?  If so,

Remington 742 hunting rifles (and other variants) are available in .243, 244 (6mm Rem), .280 Rem, .308 Win, .30-06
Browning hunting BAR in .243, .270, .308, .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag. .300 Win Mag

These come to mind.  While they are magazine fed, the OEM magazines usually limit capacity to 3-4-5 shots depending on calibre.

Larger capacity magazines may be available from aftermarket sources.  These are powerful hunting cartridges and the civilian hunting BAR is available in magnum loads including 300 Win Mag.

Unless you anticipate a need for high magazine capacity (if legal) they perform extremely reliably if sustained fire is not needed.
Link Posted: 6/14/2024 9:16:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MS556:  Are traditional hunting semiauto rifles an option?  If so,

Remington 742 hunting rifles (and other variants) are available in .243, 244 (6mm Rem), .280 Rem, .308 Win, .30-06
Browning hunting BAR in .243, .270, .308, .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag. .300 Win Mag

These come to mind.  While they are magazine fed, the OEM magazines usually limit capacity to 3-4-5 shots depending on calibre.

Larger capacity magazines may be available from aftermarket sources.  These are powerful hunting cartridges and the civilian hunting BAR is available in magnum loads including 300 Win Mag.

Unless you anticipate a need for high magazine capacity (if legal) they perform extremely reliably if sustained fire is not needed.
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Fair point.  There were the semi-auto Winchesters in .243 & .308 as well.
Link Posted: 6/22/2024 10:47:26 AM EDT
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The M1 Carbine is banned by name in NJ, if I recall correctly.
Link Posted: 6/22/2024 8:49:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jkirkon:
The M1 Carbine is banned by name in NJ, if I recall correctly.
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Geez.  Any links?
Link Posted: 6/24/2024 2:43:39 AM EDT
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It's kind of obscure, but one of my grail guns is a Remington model 81 in 35 remington with the Kreiger 15 round detachable magazines. I can't imagine a Remington model 8 or 81 being banned anywhere. The standard models with internal magazines aren't even that much money, especially for the less desirable cartridges.
Link Posted: 9/16/2024 2:41:34 PM EDT
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Top Canadian and Ban State Firearms


Makes some decent points.  Correctly guesses that the Mini-14/30 is banned in Kanada, but misses that the SKS is banned in Washington.

Has an odd accent that may be a result of his stroke, or maybe he's always talked that way.
Link Posted: 9/16/2024 3:42:34 PM EDT
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Geez.  Any links?
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


Geez.  Any links?

Originally Posted By jkirkon:
The M1 Carbine is banned by name in NJ, if I recall correctly.

Originally Posted By backbencher:


Geez.  Any links?


Very true.  in addition to a ridiculously restive all-encompassing statute, the stature starts out naming individual models that are extra super scary.  


NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE
TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS

Starting on page 2;

Assault firearms" means:
1. The following firearms:
Algimec AGM1 type
Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"
Armalite AR-180 type
Australian Automatic Arms SAR
Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms
Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms
Bushmaster Assault Rifle
Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900
CETME G3
Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type
Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types
Demro TAC-1 carbine type
Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types
FAMAS MAS223 types
FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms
Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns
G3SA type
Galil type
Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1
Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms
M1 carbine type
M14S type
MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms
PJK M-68 carbine type
Plainfield Machine Company Carbine
Ruger K-Mini-14/5 and Mini-14/5
SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types
SKS with detachable magazine type
Spectre Auto carbine type
Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type
Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types
Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms
USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun
Uzi type semi-automatic firearms
Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms
Weaver Arm Nighthawk
Link Posted: 9/16/2024 3:58:42 PM EDT
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So, with the Mini-14/30 banned in Canada;

SKS banned in Washington state;

M1 carbine banned in New Jersey;

looks like the M1 Garand rifle is the only practical universal semi-auto rifle left standing across the 50 states & Canada.  

There are some PCCs that make the cut, and there's the KelTec RDB Hunter that seemingly evades various bans, though perhaps not Connecticut's:

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/rifles/rdb/

Link Posted: 9/17/2024 1:41:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 1:45:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nopetrol:




Very true.  in addition to a ridiculously restive all-encompassing statute, the stature starts out naming individual models that are extra super scary.  


NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE
TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS

Starting on page 2;

Assault firearms" means:
1. The following firearms:
Algimec AGM1 type
Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"
Armalite AR-180 type
Australian Automatic Arms SAR
Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms
Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms
Bushmaster Assault Rifle
Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900
CETME G3
Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type
Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types
Demro TAC-1 carbine type
Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types
FAMAS MAS223 types
FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms
Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns
G3SA type
Galil type
Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1
Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms
M1 carbine type
M14S type
MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms
PJK M-68 carbine type
Plainfield Machine Company Carbine
Ruger K-Mini-14/5 and Mini-14/5
SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types
SKS with detachable magazine type
Spectre Auto carbine type
Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type
Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types
Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms
USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun
Uzi type semi-automatic firearms
Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms
Weaver Arm Nighthawk
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The “Armalite AR-180 type” language clearly includes both my original Sterling made Armalite AR-180 and my later Armalite AR-180B.



However, they list the “Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi automatic rifles”. They also separately list the “Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type” both of which were made in Brazil and marketed by Springfield Armory.

What does that mean for a JRA made BM59? It’s a JRA receiver and surplus US and Beretta made parts so it arguably does not fall under the “Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type” nor it is a Beretta BM59.




They also list  the “Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1” but they don’t mention the Turkish made (on HK tooling) AP5 marketed by Zenith and CAI.  Are those legal? Same question for a Springfield Armory SAR-8, an HK91 copy?  It’s not specifically listed and they didn’t say “type”.



Clearly all my FALs and L1A1s regardless of inch or metric receivers would be illegal given this:  “ FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms”.

How about my CAI Golani? They broadly ban the “Galil type” which would normally be read to include a Golani as a Galil derivative. However they also specifically list “Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms” which are also Galil derivatives.  However the separate listing suggests they are not in fact “Galil type” firearms. Since the Golani is also a Galil derivative but not a Galil, and not made by IAI or Valmet, by the same logic ised to create a separate Valmet listing, it is not on the ban list.



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All of the above is rhetorical as I have no desire or intention to darken New Jersey’s door.

These are however examples of what results when a state attempts to both broadly and specifically ban firearm types and models in an over all poorly written statute or regulation. The way it’s written it is vague, arbitrary and capricious.

As a legal matter any ambiguity will be decided against the author, the state in this case.  However, as a practical matter in a New Jersey criminal case you’d most likely be sitting in jail post conviction awaiting appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States before the conviction would be over turned.

The juice just isn’t worth the squeeze.  
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 4:18:03 PM EDT
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I guess I look at it from the perspective legal or not, what's least likely to get me tangled up with the lowest IQ officer.  I'd rather drive across country with an easily overlooked camo'd or wood stocked 12 gauge with a 21" barrel, a Marlin 336, or a even Ruger GSR.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:30:57 PM EDT
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Not sure about Canada, but a Shuff’s Mini-G in .308 or .30-06 is still 50-states legal.

This one’s a .308:



Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:46:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nick_Adams: Not sure about Canada, but a Shuff’s Mini-G in .308 or .30-06 is still 50-states legal.

This one’s a .308:

https://i.imgur.com/pKzmPG8.jpeg
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W/ an 18.5" barrel, legal in the PR of Kanada as well.
Link Posted: Yesterday 7:51:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By backbencher:

W/ an 18.5" barrel, legal in the PR of Kanada as well.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By Nick_Adams: Not sure about Canada, but a Shuff’s Mini-G in .308 or .30-06 is still 50-states legal.
This one’s a .308:
https://i.imgur.com/pKzmPG8.jpeg

W/ an 18.5" barrel, legal in the PR of Kanada as well.

That’s what I wasn’t clear on.

So the 18.5” “Tanker” Garand would be Canuk-legal, but not a 16.1” Mini-G (which cuts an extra 2” off the barrel and omits the abbreviated forend wood).
Link Posted: Yesterday 11:27:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nick_Adams:


That’s what I wasn’t clear on.

So the 18.5” “Tanker” Garand would be Canuk-legal, but not a 16.1” Mini-G (which cuts an extra 2” off the barrel and omits the abbreviated forend wood).
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Originally Posted By Nick_Adams:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By Nick_Adams: Not sure about Canada, but a Shuff’s Mini-G in .308 or .30-06 is still 50-states legal.
This one’s a .308:
https://i.imgur.com/pKzmPG8.jpeg


W/ an 18.5" barrel, legal in the PR of Kanada as well.


That’s what I wasn’t clear on.

So the 18.5” “Tanker” Garand would be Canuk-legal, but not a 16.1” Mini-G (which cuts an extra 2” off the barrel and omits the abbreviated forend wood).


The 16.1" barrel would fall in a more restricted category.  Might not be importable, and likely couldn't carry it in the passenger cabin.
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