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I have had Saiga's/Vepr's, they both are fun and have a wow factor to them.
I have always wanted an M4 until I shot one, while it shot great, I found it to be a little bulky and heavy. The I got to shoot an SBS's M4, wow I really liked that. But, that was an expensive road to travel. Granted all of the above was before the whole "brace" tech came to be. Right now, IMHO a braced Tac13 is the way to go. I absolutely love mine. Attached File |
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So long as they didn't get too horribly hot that it damaged the hardness of the barrel and springs, I could probably rebuild them. They should be priced at around 500 dollars each though. It'll take several hundred dollars to replace all the damaged parts and possibly a refinishing. View Quote Although there's no way to know if they got hot enough to affect the metal. |
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I have had Saiga's/Vepr's, they both are fun and have a wow factor to them. I have always wanted an M4 until I shot one, while it shot great, I found it to be a little bulky and heavy. The I got to shoot an SBS's M4, wow I really liked that. But, that was an expensive road to travel. Granted all of the above was before the whole "brace" tech came to be. Right now, IMHO a braced Tac13 is the way to go. I absolutely love mine. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/77315/vtac1_jpg-1278447.JPG View Quote Are you happy with the Tac-13 reliability? Controllable with that brace? |
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Quoted: We can’t have SBSs in ILL so the Tac13 is appealing. Are you happy with the Tac-13 reliability? Controllable with that brace? View Quote I have an SBA3 on it using the Mesa tactical adapter, works just fine and easy to control. I have about 800rds thru the gun. Overall, I LOVE my braced TAC-13. |
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If you could swap it for a SBS M4 (or if money didn't matter), which would you prefer? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Overall, I LOVE my braced TAC-13. I haven't shot an M4 in a long time, so it is tough to compare them both from memory. All can say, is my Tac13 with brace has scratched that SBS itch without the wait or the $$$ involved, like it would with the M4. |
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I just form 1'd my M4 that I've had since around 2012. Despite the sticker shock for the barrel, I'm glad I did. It feels like a different shotgun. It's slowly coming together in it's new form. https://i.imgur.com/MEwJUZL.jpg View Quote |
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I shortened that field stock back in 2012. It’s not real pretty, since it was my first go with a grind to fit recoil pad. But it’s right around 13”. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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@AvalonRifle What's the QD socket you on have the stock? Thanks IWC Does require a little machine work to widen the slot in the stock. |
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Buy the one they make specifically for the M4. No modification needed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@AvalonRifle What's the QD socket you on have the stock? Thanks IWC Does require a little machine work to widen the slot in the stock. I eventually bought another, when I was not able to find anything comparable for the project. I did have to remove a bit of metal from the webbing slot of stock to make it work properly. If someone has a newer version that does fit without and stock modifications, I would sure like to see some photos. |
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When I bought mine in August of 2016 it was supposed to be for the M4. After receiving it and corresponding with them, I sent it back when they informed me some work was required to make it fit. I eventually bought another, when I was not able to find anything comparable for the project. I did have to remove a bit of metal from the webbing slot of stock to make it work properly. If someone has a newer version that does fit without and stock modifications, I would sure like to see some photos. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@AvalonRifle What's the QD socket you on have the stock? Thanks IWC Does require a little machine work to widen the slot in the stock. I eventually bought another, when I was not able to find anything comparable for the project. I did have to remove a bit of metal from the webbing slot of stock to make it work properly. If someone has a newer version that does fit without and stock modifications, I would sure like to see some photos. |
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My M2 is great, the M4 must be greater. View Quote M2 SBS With Sling by FredMan, on Flickr |
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If I'm going to screw around stocking a serious amount of yet another caliber, especially one that's sorta expensive and bulky like 12ga, I appreciate not having to get another pile of mags to go with it.
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If I'm going to screw around stocking a serious amount of yet another caliber, especially one that's sorta expensive and bulky like 12ga, I appreciate not having to get another pile of mags to go with it. I never cared much for shotguns until I got an M4. View Quote I ended up getting two, one gets used to take classes and gets all the abuse, the other stays fresh and new. I've come to see advantages in a tubular magazine. |
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Question. Is the choke fixed or removable on the M4?
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My M2 is great, the M4 must be greater. View Quote https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49374859398_ab850d447d_b.jpgM2 SBS With Sling by FredMan, on Flickr View Quote I've got a SBE and have been thinking of chopping it down for a few years. Not that short, but 18-20in. Did they rethread it for Benelli chokes? I was told no one has a Benelli reamer. Anything have to be done for reliability? It would be my HD/AP shotgun. Rangerband a light to it for HD, I'd have to plug it for deer/turkey but it's easier than cleanin my muzzleloader |
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Quoted: Yep, they can change your perspective on shotguns after shooting one. I ended up getting two, one gets used to take classes and gets all the abuse, the other stays fresh and new. I've come to see advantages in a tubular magazine. View Quote The box mag shotguns are a solution looking for a problem, and carrying a lot of baggage along with it. Shotgun magazines are bulky, heavy, and unwieldy not to mention expensive; ten round is ridiculously long, a twelve round plain absurd. The only practical ones IMHO are the five round and then what advantage do they have over a tube fed? Fast mag changes? Well, so long as you have magazines on you and you have given up the ability to feed as you go. Finally there is the question about lateral pressure from a stored magazine causing hull deformations because shotgun shells were not meant for it. Jury is still out on the last one, but it is not an issue with rifles, or tube fed shotguns so why introduce it? Tube fed is the way to go, box magazines in a shotgun is mall ninja. |
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The box mag shotguns are a solution looking for a problem, and carrying a lot of baggage along with it. Shotgun magazines are bulky, heavy, and unwieldy not to mention expensive; ten round is ridiculously long, a twelve round plain absurd. The only practical ones IMHO are the five round and then what advantage do they have over a tube fed? Fast mag changes? Well, so long as you have magazines on you and you have given up the ability to feed as you go. Finally there is the question about lateral pressure from a stored magazine causing hull deformations because shotgun shells were not meant for it. View Quote Yes the advantage is fast reloads. Really fast. The stored mag thing isn't a problem unless you have really soft shells. I left some S&B loaded below the bolt carrier for a year and it still fed and cycled the whole mag without a problem. Yes you'll need special LBE for the bulkier mags, but other guns need special LBE too so whatever. |
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At some point I'm getting one just for the collections sake. There's really no 'reason' for it.
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guess I should have qualified.. I HAVE SHOT THEM FOR YEARS.. just not since I actually pony'd up for one.. lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: My M4 is about done, I've thought about a box mag fed shotgun, but it wouldn't be what I'd grab when something went bump in the night. https://i.imgur.com/eKyOWLy.jpg View Quote What light is that? |
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What's the typical go-to for after market trigger packs for these?
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Great thread OP, I’ve always wanted an M4. I shot one years ago but it’s not in the cards right now.
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You don't need a reason for an M4 if you really want it, but I went with a Beretta 1301 instead and put the several hundred dollars saved towards ammo and an extension tube.
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