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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:17:24 PM EDT
[#1]
Just to add, the ARs I will be building will run about $1400-$1500. So the Tavor is a few hundred more.
I have to build two of these or buy two Tavors. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:17:38 PM EDT
[#2]
If you don't have an AR start with an AR.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:17:56 PM EDT
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This being GD I'm going to just suggest an AUG and bypass your stipulations and months of research and consideration.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:18:27 PM EDT
[#4]
sold my tavor because i liked me AR SBR more.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:24:49 PM EDT
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Among other bullpups, I have the AUG A1 and Tavor which are most popular.
There's a $50 fix for the gas on the Tavor, it's due to the off-hand side ejection cover. Possibly a DIY fix too, I dunno. Haven't shot suppressed yet. Although from what I read, you get worse gas blowback with ARs. AR-15's are dirty as fuck even when they aren't suppressed. Of all my guns, they are probably the biggest PITA to clean. I might lean toward the AUG, although I've only had the Tavor out shooting a few times with about 400 rounds through it. Geissele trigger is a nice upgrade for the Tavor which isn't available on the AUG. That probably doesn't help. 
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:25:07 PM EDT
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If you don't have an AR start with an AR. I had ARs, I had to sell them due to the local gov screwing me over, but now my lawyer has got them handled, so I'm buying again here in a couple of weeks. I've been shooting ARs since 2001. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:25:27 PM EDT
[#7]
I'd say build you and your son an AR each. Tavor is cool and all, but more than one person got a screwjob put to them thanks to the gov.
With a pretty modest budget, you could probably have two ARs built with optics for the price of a Tavor with an optic. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:25:39 PM EDT
[#8]
I have both.I tend to shoot AR more,The Tavor has some weight to it.I love the trigger on the Tavor since putting in a Geissele..you should just get one of each.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:26:57 PM EDT
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Just to add, the ARs I will be building will run about $1400-$1500. So the Tavor is a few hundred more. I have to build two of these or buy two Tavors. Why not one of each then? Odds of Zombie apocalypse is really low, you can't swap parts anyways since you'll still only have one functional rifle. Everyone has a different opinion, that way you can try both and see what you like more. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:29:50 PM EDT
[#10]
Go ask Tavor.com. I bet on AR15.com they will tell you AR.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:30:47 PM EDT
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I had ARs, I had to sell them due to the local gov screwing me over, but now my lawyer has got them handled, so I'm buying again here in a couple of weeks. I've been shooting ARs since 2001. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't have an AR start with an AR. I had ARs, I had to sell them due to the local gov screwing me over, but now my lawyer has got them handled, so I'm buying again here in a couple of weeks. I've been shooting ARs since 2001. Right, so you don't currently have an AR so I would start there. Especially given you have a long history with them and are undoubtedly proficient with one. I have a Tavor and like it for what it is, an interesting AR alternative. But to me there is nothing that it does that the AR doesn't do as well if not better except being shorter with a 16" barrel and that to me wouldn't be worth the trade offs if I could only have one or the other. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:31:37 PM EDT
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I get way worse gas face with my AR's then the Tavor, and to fix it on the Tavor is a $40 port door and some sealant.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:31:56 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of AR's and one Tavor. I like the Tavor, but it sits in my safe more than AR's do. Doing an upgrade to the trigger is a must, but that substantially adds to the cost. With AR prices where they are that it what I would do first.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:36:26 PM EDT
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Start with 2 AR's, then get a Tavor when finances allow. This way you and your son have parts commonality and a weapon that can be easily repaired with parts available all over the country. I like my Tavor, but the AR has so much more aftermarket support not having one is not an option.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:36:45 PM EDT
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I would hold out on the tavor and wait for them to release the smaller version of the tavor. Can't remember what it's called but it looks sweet.
I would choose an ar over any bullpup any day. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:47:34 PM EDT
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Both <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3n9rghi4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3n9rghi4.jpg</a> I think I saw a sale for NcSTAR red dots...if you want to upgrade that EoTech... |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:48:40 PM EDT
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Both <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3n9rghi4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3n9rghi4.jpg</a> Well heaven forbid you lend the OP some insight into your experiences with both of those fine weapons, bud. I know this is GD but he's looking for more than just show & tell here.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:50:46 PM EDT
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It seems that if your financial position is so precarious that you had to sell property to pay off a few thousand dollars in taxes, you would probably be much better off putting that money into savings, as opposed to new toys.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:54:12 PM EDT
[#20]
You said it yourself. You really....really want a tavor. Buy it.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:56:53 PM EDT
[#21]
two BCM ar15s.
one vortex viper pst 2.5-10 with a larue mount one aimpoint micro with the high larue mount plus 20 pmags plus 2 geiselle triggers plus as much wolf gold .223 you can stack thats what i would do. getting into firearms i made alot of buying mistakes, i often wish i would have consolidated alot of my purchaes. now i am selling and downsizing my personal collection to increase quality and parts consolidation but for you i would say buy what you are going to enjoy shooting or what is going to fit your "needs" the best. if your priority is bringing your rifle to war, i wouldnt get a tavor because you cant stack replacement parts deep. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:00:12 PM EDT
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I would hold out on the tavor and wait for them to release the smaller version of the tavor. Can't remember what it's called but it looks sweet. I would choose an ar over any bullpup any day. youre talking about the x95 and it is far superior to the tavor in every way. they begin shipping the end of march from what i heard. quad pic rails, ar style mag release, different pistol grips uses the same trigger pack so the geissele super sabra will work in the x95. also comes from tavor with an improved trigger i believe. 
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:02:58 PM EDT
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Has IWI improved the Tavor's trigger?
Last one I shot had about a 12# pull I'd have to factor in the cost of an upgraded trigger, but that's a preference thing |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:04:27 PM EDT
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I would hold out on the tavor and wait for them to release the smaller version of the tavor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would hold out on the tavor and wait for them to release the smaller version of the tavor. This. If you want a Tavor wait for the new one. Quoted:
Has IWI improved the Tavor's trigger? The new model has a better trigger. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:05:02 PM EDT
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two BCM ar15s. one vortex viper pst 2.5-10 with a larue mount one aimpoint micro with the high larue mount plus 20 pmags plus 2 geiselle triggers plus as much wolf gold .223 you can stack thats what i would do. getting into firearms i made alot of buying mistakes, i often wish i would have consolidated alot of my purchaes. now i am selling and downsizing my personal collection to increase quality and parts consolidation but for you i would say buy what you are going to enjoy shooting or what is going to fit your "needs" the best. if your priority is bringing your rifle to war, i wouldnt get a tavor because you cant stack replacement parts deep. Meh. Spare rifle is good enough. Maybe a spare bolt too. If apocalypse is your plan, and you have a few AR's and 100 spare parts, I hope you also have an underground bunker with it's own redundant oxygen recycling system, about 50K rounds of ammo, and a 20 year food & water supply. ETA: Probably worth holding out for the new one too. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:05:13 PM EDT
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Has IWI improved the Tavor's trigger? Last one I shot had about a 12# pull I'd have to factor in the cost of an upgraded trigger, but that's a preference thing see my post above |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:05:19 PM EDT
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It seems that if your financial position is so precarious that you had to sell property to pay off a few thousand dollars in taxes, you would probably be much better off putting that money into savings, as opposed to new toys. I had to come up with extra money fast, and in order to do it I had to sell my guns. I am going to be getting refunded the money for what I sold them for. I would buy them all back but I can't, so I'm going to buy something else. It will be no different than if I had not sold the guns to start with, except for the fact that there will be different guns there. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:06:54 PM EDT
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see my post above Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has IWI improved the Tavor's trigger? Last one I shot had about a 12# pull I'd have to factor in the cost of an upgraded trigger, but that's a preference thing see my post above Thank you, I should've read the entire thread more throughly. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:09:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: youre talking about the x95 and it is far superior to the tavor in every way. they begin shipping the end of march from what i heard. quad pic rails, ar style mag release, different pistol grips uses the same trigger pack so the geissele super sabra will work in the x95. also comes from tavor with an improved trigger i believe. https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/iwi-02.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would hold out on the tavor and wait for them to release the smaller version of the tavor. Can't remember what it's called but it looks sweet. I would choose an ar over any bullpup any day. youre talking about the x95 and it is far superior to the tavor in every way. they begin shipping the end of march from what i heard. quad pic rails, ar style mag release, different pistol grips uses the same trigger pack so the geissele super sabra will work in the x95. also comes from tavor with an improved trigger i believe. https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/iwi-02.jpg |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:10:44 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. If you want a Tavor wait for the new one. The new model has a better trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would hold out on the tavor and wait for them to release the smaller version of the tavor. This. If you want a Tavor wait for the new one. Quoted: Has IWI improved the Tavor's trigger? The new model has a better trigger. Is that the X95? NM. Answered above. I have been interested in the Tavor, and this v2.0 model is making me look harder. Maybe once the wife is out of school and working. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:11:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:13:57 PM EDT
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two BCM ar15s. one vortex viper pst 2.5-10 with a larue mount one aimpoint micro with the high larue mount plus 20 pmags plus 2 geiselle triggers plus as much wolf gold .223 you can stack thats what i would do. getting into firearms i made alot of buying mistakes, i often wish i would have consolidated alot of my purchaes. now i am selling and downsizing my personal collection to increase quality and parts consolidation but for you i would say buy what you are going to enjoy shooting or what is going to fit your "needs" the best. if your priority is bringing your rifle to war, i wouldnt get a tavor because you cant stack replacement parts deep. If I go AR15, I'm going back with AR Performance .223 Wylde barrels, bolts, short comp ,etc, but I'm going with a side charger this time on them. I already talked to H and he offered to put it all together for me if I sent the upper receivers to him and ship back the complete uppers instead of just the parts for me to build. I'll build the lowers on PSA lowers. The thing is, I went from shooting Garand /M14/ M1A rifles from my youth 1970s-1980s, to shooting AKs and ARs in the 2000s. It doesn't take me long to get used to something new and get decent with it. The only thing I have ever had a problem with was the selector on the Ars. I keep forgetting which way is safe or fire unless I think or look. My son never got to shoot enough to really get used to anything other, so a new system wouldn't be hard on him either. I do see the parts availability being an issue if SHTF bad, but I don't see that. I will buy a couple of extra bolts and parts for whatever rifle I choose, so that isn't really an issue. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:14:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Tavor review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0qkpf5O0A |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:16:44 PM EDT
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I got the Tavor for no other reason than to fart around with a bullpup. I don't really labor under the delusion that it's a serious weapon, especially since it's in the same price range as a lightly used SR15. One of my biggest regrets. It's not a "bad" gun because it does work, but it isn't a very good one. I wish I had gotten an AUG instead.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 1:18:51 PM EDT
[#35]
I voted for the tavor, although I do have more ar's. The tavor does have some issues but all platforms do. The trigger is an issue but I do not have stock triggers on anything anyways. The shorter overall length and compact size are a plus for me when it comes to weapon manipulation. To be honest it really depends on what your intended use for the rifle is, for long range applications the nod goes unquestionably to the AR. However, for 0 to about 150 yrds I believe that is where the tavor really shines. Most of the ranges around me are either 100 or 200 yards so long range shooting is not as big a priority. If you are looking at shorter distances the tavor is really handy and a lot more fun.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 2:57:09 PM EDT
[#36]
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I got the Tavor for no other reason than to fart around with a bullpup. Same for me, I wanted something different from the ARs I have. I got it used in a trade so the price wasn't really a problem. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:04:57 PM EDT
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I had to come up with extra money fast, and in order to do it I had to sell my guns. I am going to be getting refunded the money for what I sold them for. I would buy them all back but I can't, so I'm going to buy something else. It will be no different than if I had not sold the guns to start with, except for the fact that there will be different guns there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems that if your financial position is so precarious that you had to sell property to pay off a few thousand dollars in taxes, you would probably be much better off putting that money into savings, as opposed to new toys. I had to come up with extra money fast, and in order to do it I had to sell my guns. I am going to be getting refunded the money for what I sold them for. I would buy them all back but I can't, so I'm going to buy something else. It will be no different than if I had not sold the guns to start with, except for the fact that there will be different guns there. Well, in that case, M17S: 
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:09:17 PM EDT
[#38]
Had a favor and it was meh. Trigger, ergos. Sight over bore ridiculous
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:11:49 PM EDT
[#39]
As others have said, I'd wait for the X95.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:13:17 PM EDT
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Same for me, I wanted something different from the ARs I have. I got it used in a trade so the price wasn't really a problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I got the Tavor for no other reason than to fart around with a bullpup. Same for me, I wanted something different from the ARs I have. I got it used in a trade so the price wasn't really a problem. Same. I dumped some Mosins and a mixmaster M1 in a CMP stock. I don't think I could actually have thrown down cash for this thing. Should have gotten an AUG, but I don't think the A3 M1 was out at the time with the integral optic. Plus I was living in CO so trying to get into something that took a different mag was a problem as the mag ban was in effect. The Tavor is just not an easy gun for me to shoot well, even with the Super Sabra. Im a pedestrian shooter at best, but I can hammer rounds into a fist sized group at 10-15 yards with my AR almost as fast as I can reset the trigger. The Tavor is always wanging around all over the place and the height of the optic over the bore sucks. The controls are also too easy to bump. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:14:30 PM EDT
[#41]
never shot either but the FS2000 caught my fancy being a lefty
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:41:21 PM EDT
[#42]
I'd get one of each. I bought a Tavor before I had a second AR. It's a fun gun to shoot and really compact. I'd like the mag release of the X95 but beyond that I don't think there is anything I'd change, the forend I have on mine accommodates a light plus, if I wanted to, I could add to the m-lok system. Looking at the X95 I'm not sure it will have enough room to mount a light like the current Tavor can, I think it's a cool feature.
Here it is compared to a 16" AR... 
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:43:36 PM EDT
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Will it be used for overwatch?
Bipods are good for overwatch, so go AR.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:44:26 PM EDT
[#44]
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never shot either but the FS2000 caught my fancy being a lefty
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Md9cd8c95bab2f5c97d7eb159b502bb8fo0&w=300&h=213&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0 Because dancing around on spent brass is fun |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:53:55 PM EDT
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never shot either but the FS2000 caught my fancy being a lefty
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Md9cd8c95bab2f5c97d7eb159b502bb8fo0&w=300&h=213&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0 I just never did like the way those felt in the hands. It's personal preference though. I've held the Augs but neve shot one. It was always a major want for me though. I almost bought one when they first got imported over here. I also fooled around in the store with the MSARS but never bought. If I went that route, I'd have to go with the flattop model. I don't like the optic that comes on them. But, I like the Tavor better in that it has a more traditional under barrel stock instead of the folding pistol grip of the AUG. It seems like I remember that there is a model or a rail that gives you that but I can't remember. It still might be that I can get my son's Spikes back, it was sold to a friend from across the street. I can offer him the same plus a bit for it, and take him to Palmetto State down in Columbia to get a lower and those parts, and a premium upper, and show him how to build his lower. Then I can get a Tavor or X95 , and if my son likes it better, we can get another Tavor or X95. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:55:08 PM EDT
[#46]
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I'd get one of each. I bought a Tavor before I had a second AR. It's a fun gun to shoot and really compact. I'd like the mag release of the X95 but beyond that I don't think there is anything I'd change, the forend I have on mine accommodates a light plus, if I wanted to, I could add to the m-lok system. Looking at the X95 I'm not sure it will have enough room to mount a light like the current Tavor can, I think it's a cool feature. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1690/25103067194_97b86161eb_c.jpg Here it is compared to a 16" AR... https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1611/25103076014_0cd9fd5a3b_c.jpg That's what I'm talking about right there. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:57:00 PM EDT
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Will it be used for overwatch? Bipods are good for overwatch, so go AR. Nah, my 2nd wife and I divorced back in 2012. Last I heard she had been promoted from whatever Sgt. she was to Lt., and had married a guy in her old unit. She does overwatch for him now. I'm taking applications though. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 4:01:39 PM EDT
[#48]
I should have waited for the X-95, but I like my Tavor alot
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Posted: 3/12/2016 4:01:59 PM EDT
[#49]
I really liked my tavor until I tried to suppress it.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 6:04:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Personally the AR route is the way to go especially if you want to suppress it, if you have a hard time learning different weapon manipulations hold off on the tavor and go with the X95, it's a little easier to manipulate by the looks of it.
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