Ultimate Velociraptor Load?.45-70 325gr FTX LeveRevolution

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Posted: 12/6/2019 1:28:19 PM EDT

What happens when you combine modern bullet technology with this old timey baller of a cartridge? To find out, @chopinbloc hits the range with a Marlin Model 1895 Trapper loaded with Hornady's .45-70 325gr FTX LeveRevolution.

Could This Be The Ultimate Velociraptor Load?.45-70 325gr FTX LeveRevolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXBS4MR3Xk

In case you missed it! .45-70 HSM 430gr +P RNFP Gel Test

A Beast of a Cartridge! .45-70 HSM 430gr +P RNFP Gel Test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbTst-djm-s

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:33:27 PM EDT

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Since Velociraptor was roughly the size of a large turkey, I'm going with something in 12 gauge.

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:38:42 PM EDT

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HSM load is more better!

eta: I hate the short brass hornady uses.

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:38:59 PM EDT

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Why Cassowaries Are the Most Dangerous Bird on the Planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBM7AI0yp78

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:40:40 PM EDT

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I dunno....

If I was headed at a velociraptor, I think I would want those 12G fin-stabilized “mini grenades” with an RDX filling:

http://www.defensereview.com/auto-assault-12-shotgunfrag-12-high-explosive-round-comboweapon-system/

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/FRAG%2012.pdf

Maybe it’s octanol, or PBX, but even with the real, “turkey-sized” Velociraptor or Jurassic Park version, boom is more than inert slug.

High explosives FTW!

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:44:46 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/6/2019 1:45:50 PM EDT

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20 gauge 4 shot would do it

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:50:38 PM EDT

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Lol no.

400 grain Cast Performance gas check at 1800 fps.

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:54:51 PM EDT

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Huh, learn something new today. Now those things don't seem nearly as scary.

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:55:34 PM EDT

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Modern day Velociraptor. Suddenly, 45-70 is now my new best friend.

Posted: 12/6/2019 1:59:16 PM EDT

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Nature be scary, yo!

That’s a 60lbs (ish?) cousin.

As for the movie type.....12 gauge 00# with magazines all the way

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:01:45 PM EDT

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Huh, learn something new today. Now those things don't seem nearly as scary.

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Utahraptor is the big one.

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:02:11 PM EDT

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1650fps with a 425gr?

That's .308 territory, but he acts like he's shooting a cannon.

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:04:32 PM EDT

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Why is this thread highlighted?

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:07:28 PM EDT

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All of his gel test videos are highlighted.

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:08:00 PM EDT

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425 grains out of a 308?

Kinetic energy is about the same, but which one would you rather shoot something big and toothy with?

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:33:48 PM EDT

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Videos from our ( AR15.COM ) youtube channel have been highlighted for some time.

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:37:00 PM EDT

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425 grains out of a 308?

Kinetic energy is about the same, but which one would you rather shoot something big and toothy with?

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Re-read my post. I'm talking about how he reacts to the recoil, like it's a super stout load.

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:37:30 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/6/2019 2:39:21 PM EDT

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Setting aside your vicious and intentional destruction of my dreams, turkeys don't attack people in large coordinated groups with fangs and claws forged from pure evil and hate.

Posted: 12/6/2019 2:40:57 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/6/2019 2:41:54 PM EDT

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My .458 SOCOM is my choice. Pretty much a 45-70 AR.

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:14:59 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/6/2019 4:16:41 PM EDT

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exactly what I shoot/reload for bear and deer!

Love my Henry!

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:17:30 PM EDT

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I wonder how many people will 'get it'.

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:17:33 PM EDT

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this

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:18:54 PM EDT

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I love that they did that too!

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:22:14 PM EDT

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I love that they did that too!

T-Rex. LOL

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:24:53 PM EDT

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Huh, learn something new today. Now those things don't seem nearly as scary.

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Utahraptor is the big one.

Yup.

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ETA - I generally like these videos. Forgive my pedantic carping.

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:36:40 PM EDT

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I think I know what I will grab for when the Boston Dynamics truck shows up at the curb.

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:38:22 PM EDT

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400 grain Cast Performance gas check at 1800 fps.

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The 420 and 460 from cp are sweet as well

Posted: 12/6/2019 4:48:47 PM EDT

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If you watch in slo mo, there's a flash of light inside the gel block following by smoking out of the entrance hole.

I'm pretty sure that's caused by a collapsing cavitation bubble which produces light and heat. First time I've seen that happen in a gel block.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:13:15 PM EDT

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Nothin but love in the club.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:14:43 PM EDT

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It's actually dieseling. A small amount of the flammable gel is vaporized by the hit and ignites as pressure increases inside the collapsing temporary cavity.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:28:49 PM EDT

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How about 405 grains at 2100 fps? That's what I get from Buffalo Bore .45-70 "Magnum" from a long barrel strong single shot.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:32:08 PM EDT

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Velociraptors were about the size of peacocks (shhh... that movie lied). Turkey loads would probably be great.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:34:03 PM EDT

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I shot a 250 to 275 pound boar 4 times with the 325 grain FTX load and got no exits. 1st shot broadside at 35 yards, next 2 40 to 50 yards straight through the nuts running away, 4th shot broadside at 55. I was fairly underwhelmed to be honest. Still love the gun. Wish I had it setup for a suppressor.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:35:10 PM EDT

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I shot a deer with a Guide Gun/Hornady 325's. It made a mess, really too much for deer.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:40:26 PM EDT

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I figured out how to reload those.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:53:37 PM EDT

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I hope you know the gummy tip hornady bullets are nothing new. They have great Range but they do a lot of damage to meat and don’t have the same bone breaking capacity of a hard cast load.

When I hunt (sbl) I have 405 hard cast in the gun and 325 gummies in the ammo holder on the stock. I hunt with factory ghost ring sight. So if I need to shoot past 200 I put a gummy round in. I can hit 5/5 at 400 with the gummies ona 16” target. . My 405 loads have twice the drop a tryst range.

Posted: 12/6/2019 5:56:43 PM EDT

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Distance, shot placement, and approximate size of deer?

@FZJ80

Posted: 12/6/2019 6:14:05 PM EDT

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Broadside, through both shoulders, 130lb buck dressed out, 20 yards.

I should have taken a picture of the exit wound.

My Guide Gun was a lemon, feeding issues. I traded it off. That was the second Marlin lever gun I had that was a shit show.

Posted: 12/6/2019 7:35:08 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/6/2019 9:12:07 PM EDT

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Broadside, through both shoulders, 130lb buck dressed out, 20 yards.

I should have taken a picture of the exit wound.

My Guide Gun was a lemon, feeding issues. I traded it off. That was the second Marlin lever gun I had that was a shit show.

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Bummer, but still that is 87X better than every worthless tag that I have ever drawn. Sounds like I need to put a whole lot of range-time in on the 1895 GG, just in case of a good tag

Posted: 12/7/2019 12:15:45 AM EDT

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I shot a 250 to 275 pound boar 4 times with the 325 grain FTX load and got no exits. 1st shot broadside at 35 yards, next 2 40 to 50 yards straight through the nuts running away, 4th shot broadside at 55. I was fairly underwhelmed to be honest. Still love the gun. Wish I had it setup for a suppressor.

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I've shot a bunch of deer in OH with the 325 FTX coming out of a 26" barrel on an Encore Pro Hunter. That bullet expends ALL it's energy IN the deer. It knocks the $#!+ out of a deer and more often than not, it just knocks them down where they stood. The doe I shot Tuesday was knocked off her feet and died where she stood. I've yet to have one shoot through a deer. That bullet does not retain it's weight very well and seems to come apart every time. I always find little pieces of lead and copper in odd places as I butcher the deer carcasses.