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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:13:17 PM EDT
 Piracy it's a crime They never saw today's aremica. All that shit is so commonplace there days it doesn't even register anymore to the masses. This should be good for getting some jimmies rustled. So is it a crime akin to stealing a car? Or is it a "victimless" crime? Along those lines, is borrowing a friend's movie to watch it without paying the content provider stealing? Is it stealing if you never intended to buy said media anyway? I never intend to buy a Lambo but that doesn't mean I can take one without the prospect of prison time. So what are your thoughts? It's one of those slippery slope things to me. Technically a lot of things "stealing" if you aren't they one paying to consume it.. Right? |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:16:06 PM EDT
[#1]
Fuck be upon the pirates sailing on the bay...
...now that I sold my ship |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:16:22 PM EDT
[#2]
If you pirate it, you stole it
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:17:53 PM EDT
[#3]
What's the other thread's title?
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:19:54 PM EDT
[#4]
My desire to pirate a work is proportional to how difficult you as the IP holder makes it to access through legal means.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:19:59 PM EDT
[#5]
I bought a desktop program for $300. The "annual subscription" notice I just got is $599 (Quickbooks). I have no clue what the subscription is for or why I need it, maybe to download my bank and credit card accounts that are free online anyways?
I'm all for buying a product, but when they brick or intentionally throttle it (Apple) fuck em. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:21:47 PM EDT
[#6]
If a friend said, "hey I just got this new Mustang would you like me to burn you a copy?" I wouldn't say no.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:21:50 PM EDT
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I think it's mildly immoral but in cases like video games that have been discontinued and there's no other way to play them, acceptable.
EDIT: Where it crosses over into criminal/unethical territory is if someone bootlegs. I.E. buying a DVD, burning a huge amount of copies, then selling the bootleg copies for profit. Renting a DVD from blockbuster, burning a copy, and returning the rental isn't as "wrong" but at least someone doing that isn't making a profit off of it. EDIT 2: At the same time I think overly intrusive copy protection isn't right either. I.E. Denuvo. This also goes for organizations that crack down extremely heavyhandedy on "casual pirates" (I.E. someone who downloads a ROM for some decades old NES game to play it on an emulator, or some music because they'd rather not pay money just for some MP3) such as the RIAA. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:21:51 PM EDT
[#8]
You buy a movie to watch on your player at home.
If you make a copy, say to put on a hard drive - you are a criminal, you've committed a crime. Forced criminality is a crime. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:22:04 PM EDT
[#9]
I expect to be paid for my labor; If I pirate
something then I'm stealing it from its author. I've had people get upset because I won't give them a copy of my music collection. They fail to realize that I paid for it because I believed it was the honorable thing to do. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:23:25 PM EDT
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Back in the day, horse theft could leave a man dead and was a hanging offense.
I see no difference today. Why isn't that on your poll? EDIT: I should've known this'd go off the rails... 
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I expect to be paid for my labor; If I pirate something then I'm stealing it from its author. I've had people get upset because I won't give them a copy of my music collection. They fail to realize that I paid for it because I believed it was the honorable thing to do. So is borrowing a dvd without paying a crime? |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:28:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I expect to be paid for my labor; If I pirate something then I'm stealing it from its author. I've had people get upset because I won't give them a copy of my music collection. They fail to realize that I paid for it because I believed it was the honorable thing to do. If your collection was movies, you making a copy for yourself would be a crime. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:28:46 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted: Along those lines, is borrowing a friend's movie to watch it without paying the content provider stealing? Is it stealing if you never intended to buy said media anyway? Continuing along those lines, what if the media in question is no longer available for purchase? What if the actual authors tell you to pirate it, because the publisher fucked everybody over including them? It is a morally/ethically complicated issue the more you get into certain scenarios. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:29:04 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is borrowing a dvd without paying a crime? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I expect to be paid for my labor; If I pirate something then I'm stealing it from its author. I've had people get upset because I won't give them a copy of my music collection. They fail to realize that I paid for it because I believed it was the honorable thing to do. So is borrowing a dvd without paying a crime? Is it a crime to borrow someone's car? |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:29:45 PM EDT
[#15]
You can try to rationalize it however you want, but of course it's stealing.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:30:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can try to rationalize it however you want, but of course it's stealing. Exactly It's sad that many rationalize theft. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:32:29 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in the day, horse theft could leave a man dead and was a hanging offense. I see no difference today. Why isn't that on your poll? EDIT: I should've known this'd go off the rails... What if as a result of hanging that horse thief you set in motion a sequence of events that winds up haunting you for 1800 years? We used to execute people for all sorts of crimes back in those days. It used to be a spectacle. Bring your children to watch some dude who was accused of having sex with the Barons daughter be decapitated. Does that mean it was the right thing to do? |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:34:01 PM EDT
[#18]
What about piracy under a Letter of Marque?
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:34:28 PM EDT
[#19]
Hell, record companies basically steal from musicians. That is why you gott support the bands by buying merch. So many get so little from music sales.
Not saying anything one way or another about piracy, just if you want your favorite artists to get money, there are other ways. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:35:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about piracy under a Letter of Marque? 100% legal. Just as long as you don't get caught by the other guys. Someone once said the enforcement of copyright law has all the precision and efficacy of a scud missile. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:35:14 PM EDT
[#21]
Who says I wouldn't steel a car? Just depends on circumstance.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:36:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Copyright infringement is not theft. Still illegal, but if you use the wrong words for things others will find your opinion dumb and think your "facts" are wrong.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:37:07 PM EDT
[#23]
Not today Mr MPAA man.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:37:28 PM EDT
[#24]
Only when they take my rum.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:38:06 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it a crime to borrow someone's car? A car is not intellectual property |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:38:32 PM EDT
[#26]
Don’t copy that floppy!
Of course it’s a crime according to our laws. Those laws protecting intellectual property is what makes capitalism and America work. Those laws and protection made USA what it is today. Otherwise your China. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:42:39 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A car is not intellectual property Lending (or giving away) a book, CD, or Movie to someone is not illegal. Making a Copy, and giving (selling, etc) the Copy away is the issue. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:48:25 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lending (or giving away) a book, CD, or Movie to someone is not illegal. Making a Copy, and giving (selling, etc) the Copy away is the issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A car is not intellectual property Lending (or giving away) a book, CD, or Movie to someone is not illegal. Making a Copy, and giving (selling, etc) the Copy away is the issue. Making a copy of a movie you purchased, for your own entertainment is illegal. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:51:24 PM EDT
[#29]
It’s not a crime as long as you have a letter of marque
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:53:48 PM EDT
[#30]
After dozens of years not seeing this, this thread is the 3rd time I have seen this resurrected in the last few days. Strange.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:54:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Back in the C-64 days, I used to pirate software and treat it as a "demo." If I tried it and liked it, I would buy a copy. If not, I would ditch it.
Not legal, but it financially rewarded good programs and kept me from wasting money on garbage. 
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:55:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is borrowing a dvd without paying a crime? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I expect to be paid for my labor; If I pirate something then I'm stealing it from its author. I've had people get upset because I won't give them a copy of my music collection. They fail to realize that I paid for it because I believed it was the honorable thing to do. So is borrowing a dvd without paying a crime? No the person you borrowed it from paid for it and the disk is his physical property. Not the same. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:55:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Other:
fuck you and fuck your laws. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:57:50 PM EDT
[#34]
That is a bold assumption in the thread title.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:58:39 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After dozens of years not seeing this, this thread is the 3rd time I have seen this resurrected in the last few days. Strange. It is. Very strange. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:59:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can try to rationalize it however you want, but of course it's stealing. Yes I wouldn't compare it to stealing a car. Stealing a car is a serious crime, grand theft. Pirating a movie or some songs would be more like petty theft. More like working at the gas station and not paying for your drinks from the cooler. Theft yes. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:59:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, record companies basically steal from musicians. That is why you gott support the bands by buying merch. So many get so little from music sales. Not saying anything one way or another about piracy, just if you want your favorite artists to get money, there are other ways. Maybe they take advantage of them but it isn't theft. Those musicians don't have to sign the contracts. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:00:17 PM EDT
[#38]
Over a dozen paid streaming services. Selling digital movies that Amazon or whoever can make unavailable at a later date. Not saying I agree with it but I think it's a recipe for more pirates than ever before.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:00:32 PM EDT
[#39]
I spend zero time worrying over how many people download Hollywood IP.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:00:33 PM EDT
[#40]
Personally, I lose sleep every single time I deny Hollywood lefties money. It shakes me to my core.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:01:20 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A car is not intellectual property Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it a crime to borrow someone's car? A car is not intellectual property Intellectual property is not property |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:01:41 PM EDT
[#42]
it's a copy of a copy of a copy. the original is still owned and usable by the first buyer, so the car metaphor doesn't apply
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:03:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in the day, horse theft could leave a man dead and was a hanging offense. I see no difference today. Why isn't that on your poll? EDIT: I should've known this'd go off the rails... You have a horse. I steal your horse. You now now longer have a horse. You have a copy of a movie. I make a copy of your copy. You still have a copy of the movie. Did I really steal anything from you? (I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here) |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:04:22 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No the person you borrowed it from paid for it and the disk is his physical property. Not the same. If I take the disk from you I stole it. If I make a copy and give it back I didn't steal your property. Also, look above my reply. I made a copy of your IP but you still have the original.  Silly but you get the idea. ETA Like Matthew_Q said. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:06:56 PM EDT
[#45]
It's not piracy if you're a privateer.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:07:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes I wouldn't compare it to stealing a car. Stealing a car is a serious crime, grand theft. Pirating a movie or some songs would be more like petty theft. More like working at the gas station and not paying for your drinks from the cooler. Theft yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can try to rationalize it however you want, but of course it's stealing. Yes I wouldn't compare it to stealing a car. Stealing a car is a serious crime, grand theft. Pirating a movie or some songs would be more like petty theft. More like working at the gas station and not paying for your drinks from the cooler. Theft yes. I’d say the gas station scenario is worse. In that case, the gas station has a realized loss (stolen drinks) whereas the studio lost no property. Before you claim lost revenue, the person pirating the music/movie/etc may not purchase from a legitimate source even in the absence of the black market. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:08:29 PM EDT
[#47]
i don't mind fucking all these hollywood shits and cohorts out of money. fuck them. most the shit they put out these days is garbage anyways.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:08:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Relax Lars, you and Hetfield got Napster shut down 20 years ago. Nobody’s going to keep you from buying your fourth vacation home now.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:09:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d say the gas station scenario is worse. In that case, the gas station has a realized loss (stolen drinks) whereas the studio lost no property. Before you claim lost revenue, the person pirating the music/movie/etc may not purchase from a legitimate source even in the absence of the black market. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You can try to rationalize it however you want, but of course it's stealing. Yes I wouldn't compare it to stealing a car. Stealing a car is a serious crime, grand theft. Pirating a movie or some songs would be more like petty theft. More like working at the gas station and not paying for your drinks from the cooler. Theft yes. I’d say the gas station scenario is worse. In that case, the gas station has a realized loss (stolen drinks) whereas the studio lost no property. Before you claim lost revenue, the person pirating the music/movie/etc may not purchase from a legitimate source even in the absence of the black market. I do see your point. Just saying its more like that sort of petty theft then stealing a car. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:10:24 PM EDT
[#50]
This thread is going to be entertaining.
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