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Didn't the PC crowd have an issue with the Orcs and Goblins in the earlier movies?
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New trailer just came out:
The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power – Teaser Trailer | Prime Video |
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Definitely not watching this woke shit.
I've never really been in to medieval fantasy, but I do remember liking the LOTR movies back in the day. |
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Someone should do an animated version of the Silmarillion and stay completely true to the book............it would sell
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View Quote Please don't remind me... |
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Loved the LOTR and Hobbit movies.
Ill give it a chance but I saw what wokeness did to Star Wars and they had unlimited cash to throw at that one too. |
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Quoted: Definitely not watching this woke shit. I've never really been in to medieval fantasy, but I do remember liking the LOTR movies back in the day. View Quote https://archive.org/details/tlotrunabridged Fan made audiobook of the book, dramatized, I have been listening to it and so far it is very good. |
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Quoted: What did you think of the last terminator movie? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: What did you think of the last terminator movie? Woke Fate? Never saw it. |
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Trailer doesnt look that bad.
I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. |
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The Drinker has spoken...
The Rings of Power - War For A Fandom |
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Quoted: I stopped watching cartoons. That is a cartoon. Grow up. View Quote ... this adaptation may be. The silmarillion, absolutely not. Tell us you've never read it without telling us youv'e never read it. That's like saying homers works are for kids, or the grittier earlier versions of king arthur are stupid stuff for children. |
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Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. View Quote Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Even less chance that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. |
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There are plenty of ways Amazon could have introduced diversity into the series that would have been in keeping with the original lore but they decided to go full woke muh inclusivity.
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Quoted: Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. |
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Quoted: Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, I don't think we should forget that England was not in a vacuum during the Anglo-Saxon and Medieval periods. They hadn't been left alone since Claudius showed up with an army in 43AD, and had certainly been on the trade routes between Northern Europe and Southern Europe at that point. It isn't outside the realm of possibility that the Hobbits represented the Celts, and all the newer groups that showed up in turn (the Romans, then the Angles-Saxon-Jutes, then the Normans) were seen as "other", and the English certainly had enough contact with the outside world between trade, then the Crusades, then the various wars on the Continent in the Middle Ages they found themselves engaged in, most notably the Hundred Years War. And there have been at least a few blacks in England since the Romans showed up thanks to England's place as an island market and the trading network that extended to Africa. So if it was the intention of the makers of this tv show that each group be visually signified by a single race (e.g. blacks are Dwarfs, Arabs are Esterlings, Hispanic are Elven, etc.) that would be one thing. Of course, the intentions of the producers are something entirely different. |
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Quoted: Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. Hey, LOTR will be remembered for many years to come. GOT's memes don't even get posted anymore, and it ended LESS than 3 years ago. Hollyweird would look at Tolkien's words above and go: 1) No mention of a StrongTM female protagonist or 3? Bigot. 2) Where are all the morally bankrupt protagonists and supporting characters with anxiety? 3) Where's the ConflictedTM shades-of-grey badguy that's not a badguy but does bad guy things but he has a daughter, she's sick, makes it okay for him to break the law? 4) Dystopia setting that reminds them of the depressing city the writers live in 5) Everyone in the past was dumb. Only the new wokesters have a story worth telling. |
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Quoted: I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. He might if his conception of Middle Earth as an analog of Europe in the Middle Ages is taken into account. There weren't a whole lot of black Jews in Eastern Europe/the Dwarven Kingdoms in the Middle Earth he was thinking of. |
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Quoted: Sure, people who live underground in caves are notorious for melanin production. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This is now apparently what elves and dwarfs look like in Middle-earth. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/27CBC2B6-C3FD-4990-B234-33E772EB1F19_jpe-2278331.JPG Sure, people who live underground in caves are notorious for melanin production. Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. View Quote |
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Quoted: If we go by what the guy who actually created that world wrote then something like this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/CED7DF16-207A-4A79-ACDC-C74736034DA4_jpe-2278347.JPG View Quote People get a boner (including me) over the 3 titty woman in total recal. No one really goes all die hard SHOW ME A 3 TITTY WOMAN! Interestingly enough if the woke side looks up the lore of dark elves they might rewrite that as well. "Dark elves are known for their aggression, deceit, and stealth. They are very brutal and cruel by nature, having little mercy when it comes to cheating, battling, or anything dealing with the life of another being. They have little respect for even their own kind, at times waging war against each other." |
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Quoted: I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. If you mean, would the man be a racist? I doubt it. Which would definitively put a barrier between him and the racists that run under the flag of intersectionalism and critical theory as applied to race, and their useful idiots. But than, if we're going to do what if, we can what-if ourselves into anything and to anywhere we want to. Also, again: he was writing it as a mythology of england and north europe, and he was a medievalist. To me, race has nothing to do with it, because there's one race: human. The sticking point is the fact that hollywood is (intentionally and with racist hatred in their hearts) trashing the source they are using. They are intentionally putting forth the irrational idea of multiple races and playing favorites within that sick construct. If tolkein had written a similar work about mansa musa and his country and those cultures, hollywood would go absolutely berzerk if someone did to that what they are doing here. They're not trying to be inclusive. They intend to destroy what they (wrongly) think is not theirs, and cannot represent them. |
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Quoted: They can bastardize it all they want... doesn't mean I have to watch it. I'll happily just watch the original trilogy or read the books. No matter how hard they want to they can't erase history lol. View Quote |
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Quoted: I'm not going to bother getting mad that made up beings are even more made up. View Quote if they wanted to just make something up they could have just made up their own world and done as they please |
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Quoted: Hey, LOTR will be remembered for many years to come. GOT's memes don't even get posted anymore, and it ended LESS than 3 years ago. Hollyweird would look at Tolkien's words above and go: 1) No mention of a StrongTM female protagonist or 3? Bigot. 2) Where are all the morally bankrupt protagonists and supporting characters with anxiety? 3) Where's the ConflictedTM shades-of-grey badguy that's not a badguy but does bad guy things but he has a daughter, she's sick, makes it okay for him to break the law? 4) Dystopia setting that reminds them of the depressing city the writers live in 5) Everyone in the past was dumb. Only the new wokesters have a story worth telling. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. Hey, LOTR will be remembered for many years to come. GOT's memes don't even get posted anymore, and it ended LESS than 3 years ago. Hollyweird would look at Tolkien's words above and go: 1) No mention of a StrongTM female protagonist or 3? Bigot. 2) Where are all the morally bankrupt protagonists and supporting characters with anxiety? 3) Where's the ConflictedTM shades-of-grey badguy that's not a badguy but does bad guy things but he has a daughter, she's sick, makes it okay for him to break the law? 4) Dystopia setting that reminds them of the depressing city the writers live in 5) Everyone in the past was dumb. Only the new wokesters have a story worth telling. As a middle school child I would have (rightly) laughed at point one. Eowyn! 2: the orks and urak-hai. Duh. :D point 3:saruman, sans having daughter 4) that'd be mordor. Osgiliath, post-corruption fits it to a T. Yeah ... point 5 just outright doesn't fit. It's rampantly childish. |
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Quoted: https://archive.org/details/tlotrunabridged Fan made audiobook of the book, dramatized, I have been listening to it and so far it is very good. View Quote Downloading. Thanks for the link. |
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Quoted: Dark elves are a thing in fictional lore. After all it's a fucking fantasy so let's not get carried away with the dramatics. People get a boner (including me) over the 3 titty woman in total recal. No one really goes all die hard SHOW ME A 3 TITTY WOMAN! Interestingly enough if the woke side looks up the lore of dark elves they might rewrite that as well. "Dark elves are known for their aggression, deceit, and stealth. They are very brutal and cruel by nature, having little mercy when it comes to cheating, battling, or anything dealing with the life of another being. They have little respect for even their own kind, at times waging war against each other." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If we go by what the guy who actually created that world wrote then something like this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/CED7DF16-207A-4A79-ACDC-C74736034DA4_jpe-2278347.JPG People get a boner (including me) over the 3 titty woman in total recal. No one really goes all die hard SHOW ME A 3 TITTY WOMAN! Interestingly enough if the woke side looks up the lore of dark elves they might rewrite that as well. "Dark elves are known for their aggression, deceit, and stealth. They are very brutal and cruel by nature, having little mercy when it comes to cheating, battling, or anything dealing with the life of another being. They have little respect for even their own kind, at times waging war against each other." Someone asked "can someone show me exactly what a middle Earth elf looks like" so I posted a pic of what "a middle Earth elf" looks like according to the person who created Middle-earth elves. I have no idea how any reasonable person could view that as "getting carried away with the dramatics," but okay. |
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Quoted: Quoted: https://archive.org/details/tlotrunabridged Fan made audiobook of the book, dramatized, I have been listening to it and so far it is very good. Downloading. Thanks for the link. https://archive.org/details/the-hobbit-bluefax That one is really good too. |
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View Quote You, sir, are a gentlemen save a scholar. I'm going to be several GB lighter because of it. I'm very ok with that. Got a decent road trip coming up on Tuesday. Guess what I'll be listening to? |
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Quoted: You, sir, are a gentlemen save a scholar. I'm going to be several GB lighter because of it. I'm very ok with that. Got a decent road trip coming up on Tuesday. Guess what I'll be listening to? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: You, sir, are a gentlemen save a scholar. I'm going to be several GB lighter because of it. I'm very ok with that. Got a decent road trip coming up on Tuesday. Guess what I'll be listening to? Fair warning. The song the dwarves sing in bilbo's house is very well executed. It just may give you goosebumps and make your beard grow. ETA: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=martin+shaw+silmarillion&t=ffsb&ia=web Unabridged silmarillion. Seems it's on audible and some streaming services. 13 cd set. |
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I think we need to remake Zulu Dawn with the Zulu warriors replaced with Asian and Hispanic actors!
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Quoted: Fair warning. The song the dwarves sing in bilbo's house is very well executed. It just may give you goosebumps and make your beard grow. ETA: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=martin+shaw+silmarillion&t=ffsb&ia=web Unabridged silmarillion. Seems it's on audible and some streaming services. 13 cd set. View Quote Sounds great! Any links to the Silmarillion? |
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Quoted: I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trailer doesnt look that bad. I think if JRR was alive, he'd have no problem with diversity in visual adaptations of his books. Tolkien was self-consciously writing a fiction for england and the anglo saxon world as a medievalist. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion. For reasons which I will not elaborate, that seems to me fatal. Myth and fairy-story must, as all art, reflect and contain in solution elements of moral and religious truth (or error), but not explicit, not in the known form of the primary 'real' world. (I am speaking, of course, of our present situation, not of ancient pagan, pre-Christian days. And I will not repeat what I tried to say in my essay, which you read.) Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd. https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/writing/letters/letter-milton-waldman.html I doubt the showrunners and writers of this show, much less the actors, are even capable of reading and understanding the above. Much less that they'd follow it. Hollywood rejects the above, quite viciously. I understand your assertion and what JRR wrote during his time. I'm saying that if he was alive now...and in this time...I think he'd have no problem with the insertion of diversity in tv/movie adaptations of his books. I just dont see him objecting to having non-whites play characters in his stories if he were alive today. Of course he would. LOTR was based on European myths. He was very particular. |
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Quoted: Sounds great! Any links to the Silmarillion? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Fair warning. The song the dwarves sing in bilbo's house is very well executed. It just may give you goosebumps and make your beard grow. ETA: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=martin+shaw+silmarillion&t=ffsb&ia=web Unabridged silmarillion. Seems it's on audible and some streaming services. 13 cd set. Sounds great! Any links to the Silmarillion? None free that I know of (Legit anyhow). If you hit up the ETA link you can find some ways to get it. |
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