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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:48:15 PM EST
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Well, the RINO's should have realized that if they are going to stonewall Trump's agenda that he will start playing ball with the other team. If Republicans in Congress aren't willing to enact or even work with a Republican president's agenda, then they are turncoat and are worthless to the American people. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:50:55 PM EST
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To "help"? What "help" did Pelosi and Schumer provide? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:57:02 PM EST
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Well, the RINO's should have realized that if they are going to stonewall Trump's agenda that he will start playing ball with the other team. If Republicans in Congress aren't willing to enact or even work with a Republican president's agenda, then they are turncoat and are worthless to the American people. 
Since so few were willing to answer my previous binary question, here's another based on your scenario... A) Work with Democrats to advance their agenda B) Deadlocked status quo Which one of those is least bad? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:57:52 PM EST
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They have failed to write a budget, failed to develop tax cuts, and wanted an 18-month budget/debt limt to get them past the elections and would have given the Dems anything to get what they wanted. The President rolled the Dems with a chance to put the Republicans on the defensive during the elections and the Republicans by tanking their deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At first I was annoyed, but the more I thought about it the more I agreed with it. He put the (R)s on notice. The Republicans could have been playing ball and getting exactly what they were elected to fucking do now for the last fucking year and they willfully decided not to do any of it. Obamacare repeal should have been a slam dunk. It's the entire reason they were elected. Tax reform should have been a priority that was done months ago. The Republicans showed their true colors and should be on notice. If they continue to fail at the very reason they were elected, The God Emperor will work with anyone and everyone to get the job done. They can either choose to be part of it and get re-elected or they can choose to be the liberal shitstains they are and go against the president in which case I hope each and every one of them, especially Paul Ryan and Mconnel are primaried and sent packing. All of these issues could have been done in a matter of weeks. WEEKS. Trump promised relief for Texas and though he might not have gotten everything he wanted, he got something. This was a notice to the Republicans that if they think they're going to fuck with his presidency, he is totally willing to fuck with their Senate/House seats. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:59:59 PM EST
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Well, the RINO's should have realized that if they are going to stonewall Trump's agenda that he will start playing ball with the other team. If Republicans in Congress aren't willing to enact or even work with a Republican president's agenda, then they are turncoat and are worthless to the American people. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 2:01:27 PM EST
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Tell you what. Explain to me why Trump's decision to go with the Democrat 3month debt hiatus vs the Republican 18month hiatus was wrong. From where I sit he is forcing them to negotiate in December to avoid a "government shutdown" which is literally their job. Not only that but if they had messy budget negotiations prior to midterms it might even hurt Republican reelection chances. Unless you are concerned with something completely different.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To "help"? What "help" did Pelosi and Schumer provide? What "help" did Pelosi and Schumer provide? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 2:17:33 PM EST
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In on 19.
I'm not reading 19 pages. Why does the hive believe Trump did this? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 2:26:29 PM EST
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I think we need to go way back, these debates go on and on.
Our definisions of Conservative, Republican, RINO, Nevertrumper, etc. are all fucked "Trumps the only republican" *Trump destroys GOP* "Im a conservative who supports price fixing, taxes debt ceiling increases and universal healthcare" "Trumps his own party, called...Republicans. Unlike all those establishment Republicans who are called RINOs"
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Posted: 9/8/2017 2:45:05 PM EST
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In on 19. I'm not reading 19 pages. Why does the hive believe Trump did this? 
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Posted: 9/8/2017 2:50:26 PM EST
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Well, the RINO's should have realized that if they are going to stonewall Trump's agenda that he will start playing ball with the other team. If Republicans in Congress aren't willing to enact or even work with a Republican president's agenda, then they are turncoat and are worthless to the American people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turncoat turn·coat 't?rn?kot/ noun
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Posted: 9/8/2017 2:59:38 PM EST
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:15:13 PM EST
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What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:18:35 PM EST
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:19:55 PM EST
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WOOHOO ! Go democrats !
What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. Problem is Trump will sign it. Quoted:
Golly, wherever did the Democrats get the power to do that in December? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:20:46 PM EST
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He's more of a douche than Jesse Jackson. Problem is Trump will sign it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. Problem is Trump will sign it. He enabled this. One must assume that he wants it. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:22:37 PM EST
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He's more of a douche than Jesse Jackson. Problem is Trump will sign it. Indeed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. Problem is Trump will sign it. Quoted:
Golly, wherever did the Democrats get the power to do that in December? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:23:48 PM EST
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Of course he will. He enabled this. One must assume that he wants it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. Problem is Trump will sign it. He enabled this. One must assume that he wants it. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:24:58 PM EST
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If it gets to the President's desk you will be able to blame the "Conservatives" like Paul Ryan for it getting there. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:28:26 PM EST
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If it gets to the President's desk you will be able to blame the "Conservatives" like Paul Ryan for it getting there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. Problem is Trump will sign it. Quoted:
Golly, wherever did the Democrats get the power to do that in December? He provided the Democrats with leverage to make demands that they would not have otherwise had. But it's not his fault. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:30:30 PM EST
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He asked for it, and they will deliver it. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 3:37:19 PM EST
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Yet they can not deliver the budget they promised, the tax cuts, the Obama Repeal, National CCW, and and and and and. All of which the President committed to sign. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He asked for it, and they will deliver it. "Republicans must start the Tax Reform/Tax Cut legislation ASAP." "Don't wait until the end of September. Needed now more than ever. Hurry!" He gives the Democrats leverage to stop his tax cutting efforts, and THEN asks for tax cuts. Brilliant! |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:05:57 PM EST
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That's unnecessary. If you can't control your outbursts, you should avoid these discussions. So that's it? There's nothing that can be done...
I guess President Reagan was able to achieve so much success, because he had complete control of both Houses. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:26:40 PM EST
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Yep, nothing can be done. Two hard heads collide just like what we have here in this discussion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's unnecessary. If you can't control your outbursts, you should avoid these discussions. So that's it? There's nothing that can be done...
I guess President Reagan was able to achieve so much success, because he had complete control of both Houses. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:33:43 PM EST
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It's a shame we don't have a Reagan. He wouldn't have been defeated by a stubborn turtle. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:44:09 PM EST
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Unlike Reagan, Trump didn't have the luxury of building political relationships before he became President. So instead of making friends with a few stubborn assholes in congress that he barely knows and doesn't have time for, he will make new friends on the outside of congress that are not so stubborn and bring them in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's a shame we don't have a Reagan. He wouldn't have been defeated by a stubborn turtle. I thought that's how real estate worked and why we were told he donated so much money to Democrats over the years? While it has been an open secret for several years that Donald Trump was once a heavy Democratic donor, a deeper analysis of campaign records shows that the real estate billionaire’s contributions skewed even further left during the 2006 mid-term election, the crucial contest that put Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in power and arguably helped pave the way for Barack Obama’s political agenda. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:47:17 PM EST
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WOOHOO ! Go democrats !
What a fucking tool. I despise that motherfucker Since the GOPe loves them some illegals , as I said before they will legalize all 50 million of them , with the added bonus of family reunifications that will add at least 30 million more. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:51:36 PM EST
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Or Trump supporting DEMOCRAT Heidi Heitkamp in North Dakota a state that should, without a doubt, be represented by Republicans. Why is Trump helping a Dem that is up for reelection next year campaign instead of helping the Republican, considering he needs all the Rs in his column he can get? That goes way beyond supporting a swamp creature like Strange. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ever heard of a primary? There is nothing to stop Trump from campaigning for challengers for the GOPe seats in either the House or Senate. Thus the shot through the GOPe wheelhouse.  Why is Trump helping a Dem that is up for reelection next year campaign instead of helping the Republican, considering he needs all the Rs in his column he can get? That goes way beyond supporting a swamp creature like Strange. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:54:22 PM EST
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He did nothing to help her. He is putting pressure on her to vote for tax reform knowing she is up for reelection. He called her out in her own state. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:55:49 PM EST
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Sounds like a problem that is negatively impacting President Trump's agenda. He should use HIS leadership to fix it.McConnell isn't a Conservative. Why would HE set a "conservative agenda"? Why are they finding it so easy to lead President trump away from our side? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:58:23 PM EST
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Wut? I thought that's how real estate worked and why we were told he donated so much money to Democrats over the years? And before the yells of "Fake news!", that's from The Daily Caller that was pretty pro-Trump during the primaries. My guess is that you are trying to tie that to his "unfounded" liberalism but you would be wrong. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:01:43 PM EST
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Your timeline is off. They NOW have leverage. They did not before. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block the Harvey Relief efforts. Claiming so is disingenuous. There was absolutely no need to go with the Pelosi-Schumer plan. They had no leverage. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. He was pushing 18 months |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:06:57 PM EST
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Sure, he knows Chuck Schumer better than he knows Mitch "the turtle" McConnell. My guess is that you are trying to tie that to his "unfounded" liberalism but you would be wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wut? I thought that's how real estate worked and why we were told he donated so much money to Democrats over the years? And before the yells of "Fake news!", that's from The Daily Caller that was pretty pro-Trump during the primaries. My guess is that you are trying to tie that to his "unfounded" liberalism but you would be wrong. 
Lots of goalpost moving going on in here... Didn't make political relationships before he became president, but donated heavily to Democrats and some to liberal Republicans for decades, and now he "knows" Schumer. Okay. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:07:14 PM EST
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He gave her a campaign ad with those comments. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He did nothing to help her. He is putting pressure on her to vote for tax reform knowing she is up for reelection. He called her out in her own state. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:09:37 PM EST
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He gave her a campaign ad with those comments. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He did nothing to help her. He is putting pressure on her to vote for tax reform knowing she is up for reelection. He called her out in her own state. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:09:37 PM EST
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Because our side refuses to MAGA. Can you not see that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like a problem that is negatively impacting President Trump's agenda. He should use HIS leadership to fix it.McConnell isn't a Conservative. Why would HE set a "conservative agenda"? Why are they finding it so easy to lead President trump away from our side? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:11:43 PM EST
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Bingo. And in a state where he carries so much influence, considering the large margin he won by, that's the last thing that should be done in a push to get more Rs in the narrowly run Senate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He did nothing to help her. He is putting pressure on her to vote for tax reform knowing she is up for reelection. He called her out in her own state. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:12:26 PM EST
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Pelosi and Schumer are now the MAGA standard bearers? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like a problem that is negatively impacting President Trump's agenda. He should use HIS leadership to fix it.McConnell isn't a Conservative. Why would HE set a "conservative agenda"? Why are they finding it so easy to lead President trump away from our side? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:14:20 PM EST
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Unfounded liberalism? https://i.imgur.com/uChiAmC.gif Lots of goalpost moving going on in here... Didn't make political relationships before he became president, but donated heavily to Democrats and some to liberal Republicans for decades, and now he "knows" Schumer. Okay. What I was trying to say about political relationships is that Trump has not served in any capacity as a senator, representative or governor to develop ACTUAL relationships unlike Ronald Reagan. Now try to spin that. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:15:14 PM EST
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Then why didn't Ryan try to get a clean relief deal without it attached to the debt ceiling? He was pushing 18 months Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block the Harvey Relief efforts. Claiming so is disingenuous. There was absolutely no need to go with the Pelosi-Schumer plan. They had no leverage. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. He was pushing 18 months It passed by a wide margin. Only 3 voted against it. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:17:15 PM EST
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Sounds like a problem that is negatively impacting President Trump's agenda. He should use HIS leadership to fix it.McConnell isn't a Conservative. Why would HE set a "conservative agenda"? Why are they finding it so easy to lead President trump away from our side? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:17:21 PM EST
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Would the 51 or 50+1 option be able to be used to pass a tax reform bill by the Senate? I can't keep track of what the "nuclear" option could possibly be used for.
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:18:24 PM EST
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So you think the people of ND are stupid and will vote based on her non existent add vs how she actually votes. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:25:15 PM EST
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I've seen more goal post moved by this GOP/conservative congress than I have with President Trump. What I was trying to say about political relationships is that Trump has not served in any capacity as a senator, representative or governor to develop ACTUAL relationships unlike Ronald Reagan. Now try to spin that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unfounded liberalism? https://i.imgur.com/uChiAmC.gif Lots of goalpost moving going on in here... Didn't make political relationships before he became president, but donated heavily to Democrats and some to liberal Republicans for decades, and now he "knows" Schumer. Okay. What I was trying to say about political relationships is that Trump has not served in any capacity as a senator, representative or governor to develop ACTUAL relationships unlike Ronald Reagan. Now try to spin that. 
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:27:24 PM EST
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WRONG. Ryan held a vote on s stand alone bill on Wednesday. It passed by a wide margin. Only 33 voted against it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block the Harvey Relief efforts. Claiming so is disingenuous. There was absolutely no need to go with the Pelosi-Schumer plan. They had no leverage. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. He was pushing 18 months It passed by a wide margin. Only 33 voted against it. 419-3 vote |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:33:22 PM EST
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That's nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block the Harvey Relief efforts. Claiming so is disingenuous. There was absolutely no need to go with the Pelosi-Schumer plan. They had no leverage. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. He was pushing 18 months It passed by a wide margin. Only 33 voted against it. 419-3 vote |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:34:46 PM EST
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That's nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block the Harvey Relief efforts. Claiming so is disingenuous. There was absolutely no need to go with the Pelosi-Schumer plan. They had no leverage. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. He was pushing 18 months It passed by a wide margin. Only 33 voted against it. 419-3 vote Debt ceiling? Something else? |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:37:14 PM EST
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So why the deal with the Dems? Debt ceiling? Something else? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block the Harvey Relief efforts. Claiming so is disingenuous. There was absolutely no need to go with the Pelosi-Schumer plan. They had no leverage. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. He was pushing 18 months It passed by a wide margin. Only 33 voted against it. 419-3 vote Debt ceiling? Something else? Blinded by Nancy's titties? Or more likely, "I do good! Look at how CNN LOVE me now!" |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:48:19 PM EST
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:50:27 PM EST
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Blow job? Blinded by Nancy's titties? Or more likely, "I do good! Look at how CNN LOVE me now!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block the Harvey Relief efforts. Claiming so is disingenuous. There was absolutely no need to go with the Pelosi-Schumer plan. They had no leverage. A clean Harvey Relief Bill would have passed, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Democrats were planning to block it. He was pushing 18 months It passed by a wide margin. Only 33 voted against it. 419-3 vote Debt ceiling? Something else? Blinded by Nancy's titties? Or more likely, "I do good! Look at how CNN LOVE me now!" 
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Posted: 9/8/2017 5:53:22 PM EST
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People keep electing McCain, McConnel, and Paul Ryan.... |
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