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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:32:16 PM EDT
[#1]
War sucks.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:33:47 PM EDT
[#2]
That's how offensive actions against static fortifications work when you can't JDAM anything that moves.
Sucks for everyone involved. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:34:12 PM EDT
[#3]
I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses.
I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:35:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:35:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. 
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:35:49 PM EDT
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I suspect the casualty numbers are getting massaged by both sides to suit whatever narrative is being pushed. I wonder if the actual tally will ever be remotely accurate.
Unfortunately, a whole bunch of people died at the whims of politicians who have risked nothing but their fortunes and the tax dollars of people who have no say in the matter. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. lol |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:39:01 PM EDT
[#8]
In before 'BBC is Putin propaganda.'
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:39:04 PM EDT
[#9]
In before it's claimed that the BBC and New York Times are russian propaganda.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:39:17 PM EDT
[#10]
Sad but they are willing to lay down their lives to save their country from Russia. We should support them.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:39:40 PM EDT
[#11]
lol, bbc is literally Russian poon...
...rating this one as troll |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:40:03 PM EDT
[#12]
BBC? Russian propaganda. Rating this one troll.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:40:16 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Tucker is a retard selling people what they want to hear. The numbers from both sides are trash, and the Western nations can only best guess at this point. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tucker is a retard selling people what they want to hear. The numbers from both sides are trash, and the Western nations can only best guess at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Tucker is a retard selling people what they want to hear. The numbers from both sides are trash, and the Western nations can only best guess at this point. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:48:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Col. MacGregor? |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:48:04 PM EDT
[#16]
So pointless. More tens of thousands will die for a few kilometers of farm fields and tiny villages
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can certainly agree with that. Like I said, I don't know the general (R) but Ukraine hasn't been kicking ass with this offensive. Hell, maybe I'm wrong, send me a link. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Tucker is a retard selling people what they want to hear. The numbers from both sides are trash, and the Western nations can only best guess at this point. Whatever your personal views... Making the Black sea untenable for Russia and destroying half of their KA-52 is pretty damned impressive. ... And funny. It makes me chuckle thinking about 40 year old Stinger missiles slaying ultra modern attack helicopters. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:51:14 PM EDT
[#18]
Dozens per day is probably on the low side.
America has been spoiled by low casualty wars. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:53:47 PM EDT
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They are probably being pushed hard into the Frontline to get some results for the offense.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:55:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:56:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Ukraine has the benefit of exterior intelligence. I could see Ukraine and Russia having similar losses, but my guess is Russia's losses are a little worse because good intel drives superior targeting. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Col. MacGregor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Col. MacGregor? Didn't I see something about him I didn't like a few months ago? I may have to rethink my OP because I think I didn't like that guy... 
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:59:05 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty ridiculous. Ukraine has the benefit of exterior intelligence. I could see Ukraine and Russia having similar losses, but my guess is Russia's losses are a little worse because good intel drives superior targeting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Ukraine has the benefit of exterior intelligence. I could see Ukraine and Russia having similar losses, but my guess is Russia's losses are a little worse because good intel drives superior targeting. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:59:31 PM EDT
[#24]
its damn bloody any way you measure it
my guess is Russia's is multiples worse due to medevac / casualty care protocols and deficiencies horrible statistics to attempt to quantify as Ukraine is fighting on their own soil to expel Russian invaders. Ukraine is fighting for their existence -- we should continue to support them. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:59:47 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. 
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds right. I still can't get on Twitter to get a link. Didn't I see something about him I didn't like a few months ago? I may have to rethink my OP because I think I didn't like that guy... MacGregor's been preaching that Ukraine is going to collapse within weeks, its army surrounded and destroyed, soldiers surrendering in hundreds of man groups, etc since the first weeks of the invasion. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:04:45 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. If you believe that, you're the intended audience. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding a few month ago was that both sides were getting fucked up pretty bad. Both have pretty effective anti air systems and no good ability to gain full air superiority. Both sides are grinding it out and the end is nowhere close. Russia cannot win as long as Ukraine continues to get outside support. Ukraine doesn't have the populace and production to drive Russia out on their own. They're stuck hoping Russia will decide its not worth it, which may happen, but will probably take a few more years minimum. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:07:36 PM EDT
[#29]
They are not going to win....eventually the Russians will overtake them...... its just a matter of time...... stop finding this cover up for the Bidens that is all this is......!!!!
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:08:00 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Yep, in the first few minutes of the interview, that clown said UKR had 400,000 KIA. Don’t know why anyone would have listened to anything past that. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:09:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, in the first few minutes of the interview, that clown said UKR had 400,000 KIA. Don’t know why anyone would have listened to anything past that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Yep, in the first few minutes of the interview, that clown said UKR had 400,000 KIA. Don’t know why anyone would have listened to anything past that. Sure you do. They want it to be true, so they ignore reason |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:11:47 PM EDT
[#32]
We need an ukraine forum.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:14:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure you do. They want it to be true, so they ignore reason Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Yep, in the first few minutes of the interview, that clown said UKR had 400,000 KIA. Don't know why anyone would have listened to anything past that. Sure you do. They want it to be true, so they ignore reason Man, I like you, don't fuck it up. I was sharing what I saw on a video. See the part above about I don't know the guy well. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:16:35 PM EDT
[#34]
Rate this one a troll since Ukraine is defeating Russia by brutalizing minefields with thier stomping feet.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:16:41 PM EDT
[#35]
It’s none of my business what they do..
My problem is here. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:17:59 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, I like you, don't fuck it up. I was sharing what I saw on a video. See the part above about I don't know the guy well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Yep, in the first few minutes of the interview, that clown said UKR had 400,000 KIA. Don't know why anyone would have listened to anything past that. Sure you do. They want it to be true, so they ignore reason Man, I like you, don't fuck it up. I was sharing what I saw on a video. See the part above about I don't know the guy well. Use your critical thinking, and you will know him well enough to dismiss him as a clown. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:18:55 PM EDT
[#37]
The numbers are not in Ukraine's favor.
Russia should have crushed them by now, clearly Russia's military sucked worse than anyone thought possible but, the numbers are still not in Ukraine's favor. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The numbers are not in Ukraine's favor. Russia should have crushed them by now, clearly Russia's military sucked worse than anyone thought possible but, the numbers are still not in Ukraine's favor. Nope. But day by day, they grind forward a few hundred meters in some places, and hold the line in others. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:21:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Two apologists parroting Russian propaganda talking points. 
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:22:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We need an ukraine forum. Badly. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:26:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Yeah, his casualty counts were another reason that I didn’t believe him… |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:28:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two apologists parroting Russian propaganda talking points. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Two apologists parroting Russian propaganda talking points. Propaganda points? Ghost of Kiev? Marines on an island telling Russia off as they are wiped out? Ring any bells? Both sides are guilty of propaganda. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:34:46 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are probably being pushed hard into the Frontline to get some results for the offense. Russians in prepared defensive positions plus what you stated— Meat grinder |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:37:14 PM EDT
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Given the war has bogged down to a war of attrition, you can probably use the casualty rates and ratios from WWI to make estimates.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:37:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its damn bloody any way you measure it my guess is Russia's is multiples worse due to medevac / casualty care protocols and deficiencies horrible statistics to attempt to quantify as Ukraine is fighting on their own soil to expel Russian invaders. Ukraine is fighting for their existence -- we should continue to support them. We should continue to support them, as it was us continually poking the bear that started this whole mess.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:42:17 PM EDT
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Whoah! In before “troll” rating.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. But day by day, they grind forward a few hundred meters in some places, and hold the line in others. You're an active duty officer as I recall. I have a question of you if you don't mind. Other than things like your obvious interest in this conflict, who is responsible for watching this war and squeezing out as much information and learning as we can out of it? The Intelligence depts. of each service, or is there something unified? It occurred to me that the tactical and logistics lessons may well outweigh even the notion of putting down the Russian army. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:49:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s none of my business what they do.. My problem is here. Uke Bois purposely ignorant of the facts… |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:52:18 PM EDT
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At this point, any " new" Ukraine threads should be called as a dupe.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 10:55:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In before it's claimed that the BBC and New York Times are russian propaganda. Well, to tell you the truth.......they are both commie. |
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