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Posted: 3/20/2023 5:52:15 PM EDT

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Yep.

In this case I’m a proponent of zero tolerance.

Let’s say you don’t fire the guy. And then a fight happens. Company has all kinds of liability

Posted: 3/20/2023 5:52:27 PM EDT

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Flintlock pistols at dawn.

Posted: 3/20/2023 5:52:35 PM EDT

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Glad I don't work for some of you lol. How about speaking to them first?

Posted: 3/20/2023 5:53:58 PM EDT

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Bring everyone out to
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The caveat is that it’s a tag team fight. Each person gets to pick one person from the office to tag in.

Everyone else can start betting on the fight

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I got a laff out of that.

One apologized and there was no actual violence. I'd counsel with proviso that employee would be terminated if he threatens another employee. He has to sign an acknowledgement of the counseling/warning. Supervisor should monitor and keep them apart as much as possible.

Posted: 3/20/2023 5:55:34 PM EDT

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Kumate!

Posted: 3/20/2023 5:57:09 PM EDT

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Glad I don't work for some of you lol. How about speaking to them first?

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At every company I’ve worked at, the, “speaking to them first,” is covered by the mandatory yearly compliance training. You’d have to be an absolute idiot to threaten someone after signing a document saying you understand the consequences are immediate termination. You’d have to be weapons grade stupid to do it in a morning meeting in front of 12 witnesses like the OP’s example.

Posted: 3/20/2023 5:58:59 PM EDT

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Fpni

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:02:27 PM EDT

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At every company I've worked at, the, "speaking to them first," is covered by the mandatory yearly compliance training. You'd have to be an absolute idiot to threaten someone after signing a document saying you understand the consequences are immediate termination. You'd have to be weapons grade stupid to do it in a morning meeting in front of 12 witnesses like the OP's example.

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I was speaking from personal biased experience lol. My grandmother died in my arms and a co-worker knew it and after 3 days without sleep he chose the wrong day to say something negative about her to me to get a reaction....I lost it and we threw down. Boss lady fired me on the spot, boss man called me and talked about it and hired me back next day. I was wrong no doubt but everyone has limits.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:03:04 PM EDT

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And construction.

When did men become such scared pussies?

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Sounds like an everyday occurrence in the oilfield.

And construction.

When did men become such scared pussies?

Been getting more pussified for the last 25 years or so at least. Even on the jobsites.

Between the older guys getting too old for that shit or retiring, and the younger guys having grown up in a “zero tolerance” world… Still lots of monkey dances, harsh words, and “IF you do that again… THEN I’ll kick your ass” type statements.

But honestly, I haven’t seen an actual fight on site in easily 10 years. At least not in front of white hats.

Not saying that’s a bad thing. It’s just 2-3 completely different generations (and these days, cultures) with different ways of dealing with things and figuring out how to coexist.

I’ll say that back 25-30 years ago, the threat of violence kept the punks in line, those that didn’t heed the warning, learned.

But in todays environment? Fuck all that noise, paperwork and lawyer headache. Makes my job easier.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:05:28 PM EDT

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Well, I went into another agents office with a baseball bat for not the intention of sportsball, once. We sorted it out and are still friends years later.

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I know of a situation where a dude walked into another's office with a golf club. He went out in handcuffs never to return.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:07:26 PM EDT

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It would not be allowed where I work.
Of course it would depend on who the aggressor was related to as to punishment.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:08:18 PM EDT

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Elaborate on violence.

Name calling?

Invitation to mutual combat?

"I know where you live and will visit you in the night"?

Even the 2nd one could get a 1-time pass.

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1-time Pass, maybe at the black owned Burger King. Not in any professional workplace I can think of today. They don't do Fight Club anymore.
I work as an outside consultant for dozens of companies and I cannot think of one that would let that go--and some are in the grittier industries.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:08:38 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/20/2023 6:09:01 PM EDT

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Glad I don't work for some of you lol. How about speaking to them first?

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Telling them they are fired as they escorted off the property is "speaking to them".

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:09:41 PM EDT

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Sell Tickets and concessions.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:10:19 PM EDT

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Depends...is the guy threatening violence because the other guy types too loud....or did the other guy fuck his wife?
If one of my guys got out of line for no reason whatsoever id bring him into my office and tell him to do his fucking job or go home forever. If there were good reasons for it, it would be the same comment, but id empathize with the guy and do my best to convince him that it isn't worth throwing away ones livelihood over drama.

Regardless, it would be settled like men...no HR jerkoffs, and no police.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:10:28 PM EDT

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I was speaking from personal biased experience lol. My grandmother died in my arms and a co-worker knew it and after 3 days without sleep he chose the wrong day to say something negative about her to me to get a reaction....I lost it and we threw down. Boss lady fired me on the spot, boss man called me and talked about it and hired me back next day. I was wrong no doubt but everyone has limits.

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At every company I've worked at, the, "speaking to them first," is covered by the mandatory yearly compliance training. You'd have to be an absolute idiot to threaten someone after signing a document saying you understand the consequences are immediate termination. You'd have to be weapons grade stupid to do it in a morning meeting in front of 12 witnesses like the OP's example.

I was speaking from personal biased experience lol. My grandmother died in my arms and a co-worker knew it and after 3 days without sleep he chose the wrong day to say something negative about her to me to get a reaction....I lost it and we threw down. Boss lady fired me on the spot, boss man called me and talked about it and hired me back next day. I was wrong no doubt but everyone has limits.

There are exceptions to every rule. My dad knocked one of his business partner’s out after a meeting because the partner was talking shit about my mom. They continued to be business partners and the shit talking stopped. That doesn’t mean most places won’t fire you for threatening to or actually throwing down.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:11:43 PM EDT

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A bunch of Nancy's in this thread all too happy to cry to big govt. Please someone else solve my problem.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:12:23 PM EDT

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Glad I don't work for some of you lol. How about speaking to them first?

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It's not personal it's risk mitigation.

Dude goes unhinged and makes threats of violence in front of co-workers and management in an office environment.

What happens when he goes through with it? What happens if he ends up killing the guy?

You think the entire company should be put at financial risk because someone wants to be the cool manager and play interpreter for some tard without impulse control?

It's not worth it and it's not logical.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:12:31 PM EDT

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AMF RFN.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:13:24 PM EDT

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Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked the other employee.

Employee flips out because he did not like what the other employee had to say about business related matters. Threatens violence outside of work.

Employee later apologies.

What level of discipline/consequence would you think is appropriate for a situation like this?

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Immediate dismissal. It’s a business, not a bar parking lot.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:14:59 PM EDT

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A bunch of Nancy's in this thread all too happy to cry to big govt. Please someone else solve my problem.

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The only person who mentioned the government is you.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:15:38 PM EDT

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Make them choose between going through with the fight, or make them hold hands the rest of the day.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:16:32 PM EDT

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Police name Chandler Intel employees killed and injured in recent attack

Long time running beef between two employees

Chandler police have released the names of the two co-workers who were attacked at the Intel Ocotillo Campus on Feb. 18, resulting in one dead and another seriously injured.

Dan Foster was a 49-year-old Intel employee who died from fatal blunt-force trauma sustained during the attack. Police found Foster in critical condition shortly after responding to calls of an attack.

27-year-old Intel employee Jaron Williams suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the attack and was taken to a local hospital for treatment, according to the initial press release.

Police said Intel employee Derrick Lemond Simmons attacked his two co-workers at the Ocotillo Campus, according to an investigation update released Monday afternoon.

Authorities found Simmons at the scene, and he was taken into custody without incident. The 50-year-old was booked into a Maricopa County Jail and faces charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault, according to Chandler police.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:16:36 PM EDT

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LOL! I remember my mom making us do that or stare at each other non stop.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:18:33 PM EDT

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Blue collar job and mgmt isn't aware, maybe have them talk it out.
Any other job or mgmt is aware, terminate. If violent guy ever gets violent. Mgr and bussiness are liable and knew it would happen.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:19:01 PM EDT

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I worked at one place where the manager had an app where you spun the wheel and where it landed described how a cup of water was to be thrown on you. This settled many disputes. The manager fell victim to the cups as well.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:19:06 PM EDT

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I'd ask the guy he threatened what he wanted to do with it - but I'd only cut anyone a single break in any case. Also would depend on how good the guy who made the threat was and if he was a known hothead or just made a single mistake in blowing something out of proportion.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:19:10 PM EDT

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Instant termination. Up to the threatened employee if they want to involve the law.

ETA: Years ago we had an employee at an old job threaten violence and he was given a pass. He did it again and said he was going to shoot the place up. Next day he comes in and jumps into taking calls before we could get him in the office. Security grabbed his bag and sure enough he had a loaded Taurus in it. Cops were called and he got a slap on the wrist.

He’s now a huge gay porn star out in California. Mansion, Ferraris, dick paintings all over his mansion. I hope he gets AIDS. He was truly a piece of shit as a person.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:20:54 PM EDT

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Sounds like a liability

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:23:14 PM EDT

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But what if violent outbursts are his disability as a wounded disabled veteran of trans color?

You go tell him... I'm not telling him

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:23:16 PM EDT

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If an adult… and not a kid pissed his coworker didn’t take out the grease at DQ, they need to be fired.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:24:45 PM EDT

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Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked the other employee.

Employee flips out because he did not like what the other employee had to say about business related matters. Threatens violence outside of work.

Employee later apologies.

What level of discipline/consequence would you think is appropriate for a situation like this?

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I remember when men were men. I still am one, but I work with a lot of pathetic, thin skinned little bitches.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:25:08 PM EDT

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It's not personal it's risk mitigation.

Dude goes unhinged and makes threats of violence in front of co-workers and management in an office environment.

What happens when he goes through with it? What happens if he ends up killing the guy?

You think the entire company should be put at financial risk because someone wants to be the cool manager and play interpreter for some tard without impulse control?

It's not worth it and it's not logical.

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Glad I don't work for some of you lol. How about speaking to them first?

It's not personal it's risk mitigation.

Dude goes unhinged and makes threats of violence in front of co-workers and management in an office environment.

What happens when he goes through with it? What happens if he ends up killing the guy?

You think the entire company should be put at financial risk because someone wants to be the cool manager and play interpreter for some tard without impulse control?

It's not worth it and it's not logical.

This. It is a little disheartening to see how much explanation this needs of a firearms site. It would appear that we have a significant poplulation of "tards without impulse control".

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:27:17 PM EDT

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But what if violent outbursts are his disability as a wounded disabled veteran of trans color?

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This is an angle that may present mitigating circumstances. If it’s a disabled veteran black midget trans pregnant birthing person threatening a straight old white guy, then the threatener gets promoted for being stunning and brave, and the white guy gets fired for being sickitating.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:28:52 PM EDT

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At every company I’ve worked at, the, “speaking to them first,” is covered by the mandatory yearly compliance training. You’d have to be an absolute idiot to threaten someone after signing a document saying you understand the consequences are immediate termination. You’d have to be weapons grade stupid to do it in a morning meeting in front of 12 witnesses like the OP’s example.

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This. I haven't worked anywhere in years where you didn't have to sign something to that effect. Current job if you did that they'd code you over the intercom and the goon squad would show up to deal with you. Picture Ron White and the bouncers skit

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:30:26 PM EDT

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Fire immediately. Report assault to police.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:32:06 PM EDT

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Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass.

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This has been the policy everywhere I was employed. I saw one person escorted through the gate for that exact reason.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:32:40 PM EDT

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Typically… nothing happens

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:33:46 PM EDT

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This. It is a little disheartening to see how much explanation this needs of a firearms site. It would appear that we have a significant poplulation of "tards without impulse control".

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Are you really surprised at the # of job site warriors here

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:34:12 PM EDT

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Bring everyone out to
The courtyard and let them have a fight.

The caveat is that it's a tag team fight. Each person gets to pick one person from the office to tag in.

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Who gets to pick the office personnel first? In a small office, that could be the decider.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:34:41 PM EDT

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Immediate termination with a report to police.
Failure to terminate is tolerance of the behavior.
Failure to report is tolerance of reprisal.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:34:50 PM EDT

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Sounds like an everyday occurrence in the oilfield.

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Gun shop is fun. We threaten to shoot each other all the time.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:36:24 PM EDT

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Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass.

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Something similar happened at my job. Small company and some of it was instigated by the one that got threatened. Because of the way things went down and my boss not wanting to loose 2 good employees, met with his attorney. Wanting to cover his ass and not loose his business over some post threat workplace violence. He was told both employees had to be terminated immediately. Now threats went back and forth.

Think about it like the Walmart in Chesapeake, VA. Bunch of employees told people the shift lead was unstable and he made previous threats. Sorry but you threaten people like that in a workplace you sealed your fate. You have also proven you do not have impulse control.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:37:40 PM EDT

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Used the work at a mechanical type shop. Any employee disputes were handled in the back room away from cameras and prying eyes. Each donned a pair of over sized boxing gloves. We called it the Funder Dome. Two little boys enter, two grown men leave, atleast most of the time.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:38:02 PM EDT

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Fire them both.

Posted: 3/20/2023 6:40:00 PM EDT

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Report of threat reported to LE immediately. Guess who's paying if the shitbird kills the victim later or comes back and shoots up the joint and you knew about it but didn't report it to the cops?