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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:34:32 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if the aggressor was in his twenties and 220 lbs and liked to fight and the other guy was late fifties, 150 lbs and just wanted to do his job and be left alone? 
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:35:33 PM EDT
[#2]
In my company, they get promoted.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:40:10 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In my company, they get promoted. Night club bouncers? |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What if the aggressor was in his twenties and 220 lbs and liked to fight and the other guy was late fifties, 150 lbs and just wanted to do his job and be left alone? https://media.makeameme.org/created/first-rule-of-jms0ed.jpg Old guy uses the Denny Crane solution, works for me. 
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:55:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Duke it out in the parking lot. Loser gets fired. Winner gets promoted.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:55:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. This one if you don't want you business sued into bankruptcy. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:59:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Termination.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:00:31 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trial by combat. The only correct answer. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:18:34 PM EDT
[#9]
About 55 years ago, we were having a party at my house. One of the attendees was a supervisor from a different division. He didn't like me, and I suppose it was mutual. Everybody was drinking. We exchanged a few words, and before I knew what was happening, he had me on the floor trying to break my arm. The people there pulled us apart before it progressed any further.
We were friends after that. About 20 years ago, a really religious guy made some really insulting remarks in front of a group of people. Yhe next day I threatened to smash in his skull if he did that again. There were lots of witnesses to what he said. Policy was, I should have been fired. I later had to threaten to sue to stop the lying. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:20:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I went into another agents office with a baseball bat for not the intention of sportsball, once. We sorted it out and are still friends years later. You went into someone's office with a bat to threaten him? Sounds like you should have been shot. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:25:34 PM EDT
[#11]
The aggressor should immediately be terminated.
If an actual incident happens later on and the employee causes harm to another the employer may quite possibly be subject to a gross negligence suit. An employer has an obligation to keep the workplace free of hazards. This includes employees who threaten others. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:37:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like 2023 faggot bullshit. It takes two to tango. If there is CLEARLY an aggressor and and innocent, that's one thing. But one of them engaged then trying to throw the other one as the aggressor out if the blue-that's bullshit. Depends on compete story, at a minimum one terminated. More likely both terminated. Management sets themselves up for tons of bullshit if they try and parse the situation. Better to cut the entire cancerous situation out, let the bodies hit the floor. You won't have any more of it One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:37:29 PM EDT
[#13]
They should have a broadcast cage match.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:39:01 PM EDT
[#14]
Gonna need more details in that before action is taken. The employee threatened violence outside of work. Um, ok.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:39:47 PM EDT
[#15]
If I were the corporate lawyer, I would point out the company's exposure if the aggressor actually made good on his threats.
The one being attacked needs to get the incident on record with HR for future potential legal action. And the one being attacked should not be browbeat into saying things were resolved to his satisfaction...this is nothing more than a transfer of accountability. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:39:52 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. This. No way would I want my company on record that a employee threatened physical violence on another, and that employee WASN'T fired and immediately walked off. Can you imagine the liability if said violence DID occur? |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First time? A warning A history of threats? The Boot. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 12:54:54 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:15:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Police name Chandler Intel employees killed and injured in recent attack Long time running beef between two employees Chandler police have released the names of the two co-workers who were attacked at the Intel Ocotillo Campus on Feb. 18, resulting in one dead and another seriously injured. Dan Foster was a 49-year-old Intel employee who died from fatal blunt-force trauma sustained during the attack. Police found Foster in critical condition shortly after responding to calls of an attack. 27-year-old Intel employee Jaron Williams suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the attack and was taken to a local hospital for treatment, according to the initial press release. Police said Intel employee Derrick Lemond Simmons attacked his two co-workers at the Ocotillo Campus, according to an investigation update released Monday afternoon. Authorities found Simmons at the scene, and he was taken into custody without incident. The 50-year-old was booked into a Maricopa County Jail and faces charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault, according to Chandler police. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:20:40 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does firing someone involve the government? |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:25:41 AM EDT
[#21]
I thought this was normal?
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:26:43 AM EDT
[#22]
At my former employer, the victim gets fired and the aggressor gets to stay. Seen it happen multiple times.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:56:18 AM EDT
[#23]
Thats when the really huge dudes from security show up, the now former employee packs his shit up and is escorted out with haste.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:14:17 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trial by combat. After work, and everyone gets O.T.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:28:15 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these threads.... so many "shall not be infringed" types who are also 100% on board with zero tolerance policies. A lot of confused folks I guess. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:43:29 AM EDT
[#26]
Pistols at 10 paces.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:48:23 AM EDT
[#27]
Investigation by HR to prove the threat took place at work, followed by police report, followed by immediate termination for cause is the correct cadence to avoid lawsuits and to protect the companies employees.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:55:05 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. In that case, termination. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:58:38 AM EDT
[#29]
Terminating someones career over some angry words is probably the best way to end up with a mass shooting at work.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:03:47 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: a 50 year old beat up 2 guys, one to death, one of whom was 27? There must be more to that story than meets the eye. I'm 50 and know a lot of guys in that age range and older that I am very confident could wreck about any two regular dudes eating lunch in an Intel break room if they had a bat, hatchet and knife while the victims were armed only with a sandwich and had no idea today was the day they had to fight for their lives. According to this story it sounds like the dead guy didn't know he was in a fight until he got hit in the head with a bat. The 27 year took a whack to the back of his head when he tried to stop the fight. Most people don't expect to engage in mortal combat at lunch. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:04:56 AM EDT
[#31]
In my combat arms unit in the 90s? We were going to the ring
At the medical practice I now own? You’re getting fired and likely I’m filling a police report. Some context matters |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:07:53 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. In most corporate environments, this. Blue collar environment? Depends. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:08:53 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like 2023 faggot bullshit. It takes two to tango. If there is CLEARLY an aggressor and and innocent, that's one thing. But one of them engaged then trying to throw the other one as the aggressor out if the blue-that's bullshit. Depends on compete story, at a minimum one terminated. More likely both terminated. Management sets themselves up for tons of bullshit if they try and parse the situation. Better to cut the entire cancerous situation out, let the bodies hit the floor. You won't have any more of it One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. Sounds like someone wants to put an end to the old "Fuck the dog all week so you can get OT" game. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:42:32 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. Sounds a like a typical low IQ dumbfuck that makes everything a conflict. Fire his ass. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:55:28 AM EDT
[#35]
Terminated right then and there.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:56:19 AM EDT
[#36]
in the medical field, even the slightest threat can and is usually used for termination- the offender will be sent home till punishment is constructed by management. in the past few years, Policies have become rather draconian and swift.
they don't mess around. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:57:18 AM EDT
[#37]
Fired immediately.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 9:04:02 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where I work if 2 people physically fight they're both wrong and they're both fired My old Job had that policy. Allways found that dumb as fuck. Had one Instance where an employee came very close of physically assaulting me because he did not like what i (professionally) told him. what am i supposed to do if that happens ? Fetal position and let him hit, kick, beat me ? I am just so tired of Coporate BS like that. I am lso tired of the ever increasing draconian speach restrictions Workplaces are supposed to be free of violence nd threats but we are going into a direction where they are also free of criticism and calling out dumb shit, to the very detriment of EVERYBODY involved. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 9:07:57 AM EDT
[#39]
Steel Cage Death Match
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Posted: 3/21/2023 9:14:16 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Immediate termination. This is how it probably should be. I actually worked with a guy once who attacked another subcontractor (shoved him up against a wall and started screaming at him). Immediately fired. No charges were filed mostly because other subcontractor knew he was a giant asshole who had it coming (so at least he had some self-awareness, I guess). Not sure how that one got explained when references were asked for, lol. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 9:24:07 AM EDT
[#41]
Immediate termination and escort out by security. Trespassed, too.
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Posted: 3/21/2023 9:36:37 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. The only real answer is to terminate the offending employee. You are going to get sued otherwise. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 9:43:52 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. Good friend of mine owns a Big O tires. Two of his employees who were known not to like each other got into an argument. Didn't seem like a big thing, well one of the douches went out to his car and got a pistol, shot his coworker in the chest killing him. No one needs to see that shit, take care of the problem before it really becomes a problem. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 10:03:44 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. This |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 11:02:25 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistols at 10 paces. 3 ft per step, 30 ft at 10 paces each. 60 ft total between individuals (20 yards). Not a difficult shot for a pistol but lots of adrenaline, heart rate up, respiration rate up, movement involved. I wonder if it would take more than one shot. 
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Posted: 3/21/2023 12:47:57 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My old Job had that policy. Allways found that dumb as fuck. Had one Instance where an employee came very close of physically assaulting me because he did not like what i (professionally) told him. what am i supposed to do if that happens ? Fetal position and let him hit, kick, beat me ? I am just so tired of Coporate BS like that. I am lso tired of the ever increasing draconian speach restrictions Workplaces are supposed to be free of violence nd threats but we are going into a direction where they are also free of criticism and calling out dumb shit, to the very detriment of EVERYBODY involved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where I work if 2 people physically fight they're both wrong and they're both fired My old Job had that policy. Allways found that dumb as fuck. Had one Instance where an employee came very close of physically assaulting me because he did not like what i (professionally) told him. what am i supposed to do if that happens ? Fetal position and let him hit, kick, beat me ? I am just so tired of Coporate BS like that. I am lso tired of the ever increasing draconian speach restrictions Workplaces are supposed to be free of violence nd threats but we are going into a direction where they are also free of criticism and calling out dumb shit, to the very detriment of EVERYBODY involved. Firing the employee who was attacked, especially if there was no overt provocation by the person attacked is stupid as fuck. It’s like the no tolerance policies for fights in schools. Kids being bullied and only defending themselves are fucked by the schools. Two jobs ago, the manager I had was toxic as shit. Nothing I ever did pleased her. She yelled all the time. I think she was pissed that I knew my shit and made her look bad because she was clueless. I think the only reason she didn’t try anything with me was because she knew I would have beat her ass if I had to defend myself. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 12:59:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he isn't fired and something happens, your company will be sued, and lose Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. If he isn't fired and something happens, your company will be sued, and lose Jfc. The responses in this thread. 
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Posted: 3/21/2023 1:00:57 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. Despite all the funny "trial by combat" answers, it's this. If for no other reason than legal liability, the business basically HAS to do this. If they don't, and the employee makes good on his threat on company property, they are fucked. I'm not sure how fucked, if at all, they'd be if they didn't fire the guy and the violence occurred off of company property, but at least if he's fired they could say "hey we fired the guy and did everything we could reasonably do to keep him away from the victim". |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 1:01:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 1:05:01 PM EDT
[#50]
Watched 2 airmen get into a fight. Helped break it up because I didn't want to see them get into real trouble (it was in a maintenance hangar with lots of big heavy tools) if it escalated.
Once broken up the Senior came down pissed as fuck. He closed the door but that was pointless as he was very clearly heard by everyone through the thick walls and solid door.... Luckily for them he was old school and it never left the unit. Several hangars used to have boxing rings for such a purpose, had beef? Toss the gloves on and settle it. That said in a corporate environment it would at least mandate some sort of correspondence depending on how severe the threat to prevent potential lawsuits. |
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