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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:11:27 AM EST
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You dont need crazy extremes, just consistency.
I eat between 250-300 grams of carbs a day in a 2600 calorie diet. Been doing so for years. I am 6'2, 195lbs, around 16% BF. I run fast and lift heavy. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:16:44 AM EST
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You dont need crazy extremes, just consistency. I eat between 250-300 grams of carbs a day in a 2600 calorie diet. Been doing so for years. I am 6'2, 195lbs, around 16% BF. I run fast and lift heavy. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:18:09 AM EST
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OP good for you
I need the same, shed some 20lbs |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:21:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @HighDesert6920 MyFitnessPal for calorie/nutrition tracking MapMyRun for jogging I burned approximately 340 calories running 2.2 miles this morning at a moderate pace. I’m not competing for the Olympics. I’m just trying to bring some conditioning back into my life. GD successfully guilted me into skipping milk this morning for breakfast so I had a 300 cal breakfast consisting of 3 1/2 pieces of bacon and two eggs. Dog is getting the last 1/2 slice of bacon.  Lunch will probably be a turkey and cheese sandwich on toasted wheat with half a large avocado on it (keto guy’s just got triggered). Dinner will be wood fired salmon and broccolini over roasted red pepper couli. It’s a favorite of mine at Salt Traders where we’re eating tonight for my daughter’s birthday. 
My wife was always very good about making some dish with chicken or fish or pork for dinner with a vegetable and a starch on the side. She got really mad at me when I started skipping out on all the rice and potatoes opting to only eat the protein and vegetable. I was also dropping weight pretty steadily back then and she would get really frustrated because she struggled to lose even one pound a week. Of course, she wouldn’t listen to her dumb husband who didn’t know anything. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:25:57 AM EST
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Starvation mode doesn't happen until you're literally starving. If your body has fat stores, it will use those first. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:27:51 AM EST
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Keto could get you there in 3-4 months. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:28:10 AM EST
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of course its brutal if you are eating things like bacon and eggs. thats a lot of calories for not much food.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:55:47 AM EST
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This is my Go-To Lunch at work when I need to drop a few.
Panda Express Beef Broccoli with String Bean Chicken with a side of veggies ..Under 500 calories and you will be full for hours 
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:25:55 AM EST
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I’d recommend lifting and hiit, steady state cardio is for old people and hookers. Congrats on the weight loss find a way to make it sustainable. 
It’s not complicated. Gain muscle to get fit and raise your resting metabolism, do something that gets your heart rate up for a while, stop eating crap calories, and operate on a small calorie deficit and the weight will fall off at a healthy rate. If you do it in ketosis your skin will shrink too so you won’t get loose skin either. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:35:32 AM EST
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Fuck all that. Read Robb Wolf's Paleo Solution and never worry about weight or calories or food ever again.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:14:23 PM EST
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Impossible. Ketards told me I’d be 400 lbs if I ate more than 10 carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:15:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No sir. Body will burn muscle mass first. There is some muscle loss; but of course if you're eating keto macros you prevent that with protein. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:16:59 PM EST
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How tall are you? You shouldn't be fat at 200 pounds and Male if you are about 6 feet tall...... unless you are girly man skinny fat.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:19:10 PM EST
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1200 calories per day will get you to your 30lb weight loss.
Your loss will be a catabolic 25 lbs of muscle and 5 pounds of fat. You need to eat more. 1200 calories is way to low. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:29:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No sir. If you had a pile of firewood outside, would you burn your furniture first? Neither does your body. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:41:44 PM EST
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1200 calories per day will get you to your 30lb weight loss. Your loss will be a catabolic 25 lbs of muscle and 5 pounds of fat. You need to eat more. 1200 calories is way to low. You will be fucking MISERABLE for the entire time (see "Minnesota Starvation Experiment") Your weight loss will slow, and even stop, as your metabolic rate plummets (see Jason Fung) When you give up in frustration, your new low BMR will cause your weight to skyrocket (Fung et al) Pretty much for sure, and pretty much like every other fatty out there. Or look into keto. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:51:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd say more like this: You will be fucking MISERABLE for the entire time (see "Minnesota Starvation Experiment") Your weight loss will slow, and even stop, as your metabolic rate plummets. When you give up in frustration, your new low BMR will cause your weight to skyrocket. Pretty much for sure, and pretty much like every other fatty out there. Or look into keto. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 1:54:04 PM EST
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Why are you starving yourself again?
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:01:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking stupid. Look up the concentration camp diet. Shit fucking works. I did 1200 calories for about 8 months just to get super lean for shits sake. Very doable but preferred more mass and went back to normal calories of about 2400. But that was just the controlled experiment of a bunch of conscientious objectors in Minnesota. And if you add "Over forty and significant metabolic damage," then that almost never works. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:02:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. No question that's what we said. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:04:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad that worked for you. For most people it doesn't. And if you add "Over forty and significant metabolic damage," then that almost never works. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:06:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The funniest part about keto people are how much they push their diet like its the only thing out there. Im not saying it doesnt work, but there are other options out there. Its like they have to convince others to jump on the wagon to justify their own decisions. Its like crossfit. You do you boo boo. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:07:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd say more like this: You will be fucking MISERABLE for the entire time (see "Minnesota Starvation Experiment") Your weight loss will slow, and even stop, as your metabolic rate plummets (see Jason Fung) When you give up in frustration, your new low BMR will cause your weight to skyrocket (Fung et al) Pretty much for sure, and pretty much like every other fatty out there. Or look into keto. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:08:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do you too. The funniest thing about the haters is when they come into a thread with HUNDREDS of guys who have had success with keto, after trying everything else, and say it's a fad, no different than anything else, I tried it for 3 days and it sucked, you're losing muscle, etc. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:08:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. When i finished playing football i cut 100 lbs. All by cutting calories. I wasn't miserable at 1200-1500 caloies a day because i didnt eat like a retard. You would be surprised how much food you can eat if you stay away from calorie rich stuff. That was nearly 15 years ago and the weight is still off. Like i said, theres many different approaches that work. At the core of it, if you want to gain weight, eat more calories and do less cardio. If you want to cut weight, eat less calories and do more cardio. 80% of weight loss is what you eat. Its not rocket science. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:08:57 PM EST
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Keto plus steroids (TRT) works a hell of a lot better than keto alone.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:10:29 PM EST
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1200 calories per day will get you to your 30lb weight loss. Your loss will be a catabolic 25 lbs of muscle and 5 pounds of fat. You need to eat more. 1200 calories is way to low. You are not going to lose 25 pounds of muscle. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:13:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve got the numbers switched around. You are not going to lose 25 pounds of muscle. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:52:18 PM EST
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1200 calories per day will get you to your 30lb weight loss. Your loss will be a catabolic 25 lbs of muscle and 5 pounds of fat. You need to eat more. 1200 calories is way to low. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 2:56:53 PM EST
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1200 calories per day will get you to your 30lb weight loss. Your loss will be a catabolic 25 lbs of muscle and 5 pounds of fat. You need to eat more. 1200 calories is way to low. The more severe a caloric deficit, the greater the risk of LBM loss. That’s about the only thing I can find in here that’s not off base. This loss can be mostly mitigated by deriving most of your calories with protein, and lifting heavy focusing on heavy compounds 2X/wk. I’ve lost negligible muscle after weeks of 650 calories. The only way someone is losing more muscle on twice that is if their calories are derived from twinkies and they aren’t lifting the entire duration of their diet, or some other equally awful strategy. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:04:53 PM EST
[#31]
Have you tried intermittent fasting or OMAD?
A real time saver and you could eat whatever you want all in one meal. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:16:10 PM EST
[#32]
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Keto plus steroids (TRT) works a hell of a lot better than keto alone. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:20:38 PM EST
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Your body is panicking and actually storing fat, which is why low calorie diets simply don't work for a lot of people (At least until starvation sets in and your body starts buring muscle mass for energy). Carbs are filling, and taste good, so when you're really hungry you eat as many carbs as your 1500 calorie diet will allow. This results in insulin spikes and of course, more hunger. Good luck op, sounds wonderful.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to order and eat an entire pizza right now, but that’s how I got fat in the first place. I’m actually allowed 1500 calories, but it just ended up a little over 1200 today. I’ve been drinking lots of water today which has helped and is probably good anyway because I had a pretty intense deep tissue massage yesterday. Tomorrow morning, a quick 2 mile jog followed by bacon and eggs and a big glass of milk. Some light weights and sit-ups to follow later in the afternoon. Currently at just under 200. Really want to be in the low 170’s. Tired of being fat. Tired of feeling tired. Getting my house in order. Carbs are filling, and taste good, so when you're really hungry you eat as many carbs as your 1500 calorie diet will allow. This results in insulin spikes and of course, more hunger. Good luck op, sounds wonderful. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:20:51 PM EST
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Nope. The more severe a caloric deficit, the greater the risk of LBM loss. That’s about the only thing I can find in here that’s not off base. This loss can be mostly mitigated by deriving most of your calories with protein, and lifting heavy focusing on heavy compounds 2X/wk. I’ve lost negligible muscle after weeks of 650 calories. The only way someone is losing more muscle on twice that is if their calories are derived from twinkies and they aren’t lifting the entire duration of their diet, or some other equally awful strategy. It's worse if I eat less protein. I gain about half the strength I lose back in the first week of eating carbs while maintaining a lower weight and bf%. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:24:26 PM EST
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Look on the bright side. I'd murder a loved one with a rusty spoon to be 200 lbs.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:46:39 PM EST
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I've noticed I lose about .5% of strength per 1% of body weight I lose while on keto if I eat 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight. It's worse if I eat less protein. I gain about half the strength I lose back in the first week of eating carbs while maintaining a lower weight and bf%. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. The more severe a caloric deficit, the greater the risk of LBM loss. That’s about the only thing I can find in here that’s not off base. This loss can be mostly mitigated by deriving most of your calories with protein, and lifting heavy focusing on heavy compounds 2X/wk. I’ve lost negligible muscle after weeks of 650 calories. The only way someone is losing more muscle on twice that is if their calories are derived from twinkies and they aren’t lifting the entire duration of their diet, or some other equally awful strategy. It's worse if I eat less protein. I gain about half the strength I lose back in the first week of eating carbs while maintaining a lower weight and bf%. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:48:41 PM EST
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Here's my take on it.
Keto; month 2, it was a struggle to consume over 1k calories. Was completely contempt with 800. Started seeing the true power of a calorie at that point. Meals were like having a double espresso in the morning. I recall having a slice of bread in the morning before I went out to do landscaping, had the God persona for 4 hours. The problem for me is, once I start incorporating carbs into my diet, 2-3hrs later I would want to eat again. From there it is a downhill slide. Kinda like a druggie, off for a while, get that taste, and its hard to get back on the wagon. Me: 6' . Then 200lbs, 2 months down to 180lbs, fell off wagon, right back to 200lbs in 1.5 months time. Back on it now. This time won't be concerned with maintaining 1K calories daily. If I manage on 800, more or less, I'll stick with that. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:57:25 PM EST
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Weight doesn't mean much by itself focus more on body fat % After a week or two of scaling back carbs & restricting your eating window it’s pretty easy. Just make sure to eat your It’s way easier than calorie restriction. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 3:58:26 PM EST
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I think I have a tapeworm, I eat roughly 3000+ calories a day and have stayed stable at around 185lbs, though I am a very active person working 70+ hours a week and a few times a month I go on some pretty rough hikes, still it doesn’t explain how I can eat like a dumpster and not gain weight. Another possibility is the 40+ OZ OF REDBULL I drink daily, probably keeps my heart rate up and metabolism scrambling, though I’ll likely only live till I’m 40....so there is that... |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:01:43 PM EST
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:23:50 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s hard. Single parent, full time job. Time is limited - very limited. I’m looking to maybe change careers in a few months, too, so who knows what effect that will have. Want this gut gone. It will make appendix carry a lot easier! |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:28:00 PM EST
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:28:17 PM EST
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I started mid May and am eating about 1200 calories a day. I was 350 and now down to 317. Hoping to get to around 250, which would still be slightly overweight but much more comfortable for me. I've been craving cheeseburgers and pizza for the last couple of weeks. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:29:06 PM EST
[#44]
Deep tissue massage you say? Happy ending?
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:29:36 PM EST
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People here will try to convince you that if you were on a deserted island and stopped eating that your body would eat all of your muscles first and that you’d be just a blob of fat. That would be some horrible evolution if that’s the case. There’s too many stupid catch phrases in weight loss that are a lie like “starvation mode” and people are too gullible to actually think about it.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:31:29 PM EST
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Two Torchy's baja shrimp tacos for lunch was awesome. I only ate one each of the two corn tortillas they serve them in.
Came home and did a short, light workout in the garage (sit-ups and some free weights). I feel great; I'm only up a half pound from this morning; I'm looking forward to salmon tonight. It seems some of you are glossing over the fact that I mentioned in the OP that 1200 is not my daily goal. That is too few calories and I'm not going to do that everyday. I'll finish today at about 1800 calories but that is offset by the running and anaerobic activity. I may have used the wrong choice of words in the OP when I mentioned losing weight. What I really aim to do is change my shape/get in better shape. I use weight as a simple metric for shedding fat, but eventually I expect that building a little muscle will affect that number. I'm not as concerned what the final number on the scale will be so much as I want to feel better, my clothes fit better, and be able to pick up my kid and haul ass if I need to.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:32:29 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gross? My best pal had triple by pass surgery so we both switched over to vegan for the zero cholesterol. I am 64 and of course my metabolism is very different from someone younger. This works for me but it is challenging. Heart health is about blood sugar, exercise & a balanced sodium to potassium ratio. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:34:47 PM EST
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I was a competitive swimmer in school. In order to keep from losing weight, i had to eat 5k - 7k calories a day during meets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your calorie intake sounds bad. First you need to gradually lower to those numbers not just jump into them. Also it is better to increase your activity than to drastically lower calories. Forget situps also. Lift heavy things, repeatedly Watch your macros, more protein!
I was a competitive swimmer in school. In order to keep from losing weight, i had to eat 5k - 7k calories a day during meets. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:41:27 PM EST
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Agreed. While I do miss sugar, my meals have gotten a lot tastier. I've found erythritol (truvia) to help with the sugar cravings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Agreed. While I do miss sugar, my meals have gotten a lot tastier. I've found erythritol (truvia) to help with the sugar cravings. My only concern is that I may be eating too much protein.  Attached FileI'd starve to death as a vegan. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 4:41:50 PM EST
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Deep tissue massage you say? Happy ending? Does that count? |
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