I see it more likley she was playing lookout which does not work if you are inside the structure. Rather a few feet away so you can see and still communicate to those other parties inside the structure.

the fact is she was hanging with some criminals who got caught doing criminal shit. Hanging out with criminals is dangerous and often times leads to gun fire. Bullets in the air are bad for your health if they happen to maike contact with you.

the simplest solution is usually the correct one.

They were on an island. She ain't gonna go far if she wants to get away.

Probably all depends on where investigators determine the shoot happened.

My operating assumption is that pretty blonde girls don't normally willingly commit B&E, but I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express either.

took me a second...

This is the meat of the story:



From what I can tell from this, the men shot at two intruders (who I assume they saw), and the girl was hit by accident (it sounds like the three boys were the actual intruders).

I can't tell if the men were justified in shooting or not. Not from the facts presented.

No. But she could, according to the law. In reality she would probably get probation, fines and community service.



 

This.

It's sad when anyone is hurt, but she made the decision to associate with burglars.  The real bad guys here are the juveniles.

Maybe these?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1312283_F_the_white_man___F_the_white_man___White_guy_assaulted_on_D_C__Metro_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1312092_This_opinion_piece_makes_me_sad_for_race_relations.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1311913_Man_shot__attacked_by_a_dozen_teens_in_Hartford.html

never get off the boat...


back on the boat of course.

I hate thiefs. Committing felonies can and should be a dangerous activity. Good enough reason for me.

 

I thought we were comparing the two shoots?  I think this one was good and that one didn't need to happen. That makes me lib?

No Rorschach effect here, and no conclusions. The facts of the case are that she was on a private dock while her companions broke into a building on the property. If they had just been there hanging out, it could be simple trespassing. But the fact (as reported in the article) that her companions were breaking into a building made what they were doing a felony. Which made her an accomplice in a felony, at minimum. Which is, in itself, a felony. And that really is the way it works.





I once knew a guy who was passed out in the back of a car when his "friends" robbed a store. Guess what? He went to prison for a few years. His friends didn't kill anyone, either.





Now, taking it a bit further: have you ever heard of citizen's arrest? Basically, if you witness a felony being committed you can use whatever force is necessary to arrest the person who committed the felony. It is already established that the girl was committing a felony by being where she was, under the existing circumstances.





I agree with you that the shooters have a tough row ahead of them. But the girl is provably not innocent.





If I come home to find three people in my house and one on the front porch, the one on the porch is not just "hanging out with the wrong crowd." The busted door and three people inside automatically make the person on the porch a felon, too.





 

back to the boat.

my asumption is that teenagers will do all kinds  of dumb shit. I grew up in a upper middle class white suburbia. you would be fucking amazed what some of those idiots kids would get into. Not exluding robbery, B&E, check fraud, drug dealing, grand theft Auto, murder and bank robbery.Oh and left out Arson.

In my four years of Highschool i saw all of the above in upper middleclass white suburbia.




EDIT for clarity. I was not involved in all of this. Just kids in my school got busted doing all of the above.

Sheriff Huey "Hoss" Mack

6 pages in and I am still laughing about this.

Well I don't know about you, but I'm clearly a flaming I <3 Obama leftist.

Probably a legal shot in Texas.  Not good, definitely sad, but legal.  They were trespassing (not a valid use of force), but burglary is a no-no, theft at night is a no-no too.  If she dies, the 3 boys will get charged with it.  It is ultimately their damn fault this tragedy happened.

you dont know that for a fact.

who didnt know that already? you have I love Obamam boxer breifs dont you?


ADMIT IT!

If that be the case then thats a bad shoot and someone is going to jail for it.

So much for she didnt know what was going on.

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Soooo they had a gun and were robbing houses? End of story, good shot.

If someone is robbing my house and night and has gun I really don't care what the law is, I'm not ready to take a dirt nap.

Under Fl law and most likely Al law home invasion and/or burglary under castle doctrine are presumed threats of great bodily harm and death. All criminal participants are held at the same level of culpability. Doesn't matter if they are outside inside upside downside unarmed unintended. You know that.

And I'm not saying I would do the same thing. I hope I never find out. I won't judge the real victims of this crime though. I'm certainly not asking politely for ID, age and race. Me and mine will not be the next Petit family like the libs intend.

Good shoot.

Toward the back of the head .....

Like the cheek? Like the ear?


Yeahhhhh dramatic....

A Moby is a troll that pretends to be a conservative in order to spread bad information.  "I'd vote for George Bush if he hadn't made his girlfriend get an abortion."  There's probably way less of those types here than there are people with dual accounts on Stormfront.



 

This, ultimately.

This X 1000000000000000000000000000

The 2 boys should be charged with murder if she dies, as they were in the process of committing a felony. I believe that has happened before here in OH.

That's irresponsible on the part of the shooters.
"Suppressing fire" belongs in combat, not in defense of your home when you can't see the targets

ETA: In spite of shooting at shit they can't see, it still boils down to this: Don't rob people's homes or associate with people who do, and you're more likely to not get shot.
That's a universal truth.

"Sheriff Mack says they recovered multiple items including a rifle in the teenagers' boat. They're working to determine if those items were stolen from the fish camps. Moody's involvement in the burglary is still under investigation. "

The use of deadly force is legal if it is believed that stolen items are about to be absconded with, and that other means of interdiction / recovery could prove dangerous, or arguably improbable.

It was night - it is impossible to tell if the burglars are armed (they had a gun with them).  So yes, shoot first - because you might be dead if you wait to shoot second.

I can re-read my Leviticus - but even the old testament calls good shot on this.

When you roll your dice, sometimes it comes up snake eyes on the first roll.

Yeah I would have yelled at the fuckers, and if they charged me, shot them then, instead of firing a "warning shot" at who knows what.
The better solution would be to hold them at gunpoint til the cops show up and send their punk asses off to jail.
But I wasn't there.

That is pretty damn weak.  Even California is better when it comes to more remote properties (where trespass is a felony; a friend's father killed someone doing that a few years back; he was acquitted of both murder & attempted murder and manslaughter charges brought when the former ones didn't stick).  These guys may still end up getting in legal trouble for the shoot.  Hopefully not, but the law does seem to leave the possibility wide open, especially with the media attention.



Personally, I think it was ethically a good shoot in the sense that the targets were people whose shooting should be considered justified, even if the laws don't agree; but then, I am for very liberal use of force laws for the private citizen.  I much prefer Texas' laws, with the addition of restoring the old right of retaliation, i.e. being able to shoot people fleeing after attempting something very serious, if lesser means can't reasonably be used to stop them and affect an arrest, namely things like violating someone's "castle" (and at the least on remote properties, the whole of the property should be treated as such, not just buildings or dwellings), armed robbery, murder, attempted murder, rape, arson, major property destruction, and such (and of course, any common law justifications if they are not covered by Texas law).  Certainly trespassing on an island property should be treated more seriously than trespassing onto a property in the suburbs.  If someone is trespassing on a remote property and are engaging in theft, burglary, vandalism, home invasion, criminal mischief, etc. then they deserve what they get.  If this girl had not agreed to come along and participate in some fashion in the commission of such a crime, she'd be home and just fine today.  



And I find it interesting that some of the people who seem to dislike the shoot the most are people who admit to committing mischief as teens.  Yes, I remember what it was like to be a teenager and no, that did not entail committing crimes or other mischief in the late night.  Even as a teen it is not that hard to refrain from doing that and exercising some degree of self-controul in one's daily life.

I totally agree, taking human life always has a negative outcome for all involved.

But I always make affirmations about my dedication to do violence to those harming me. I dont want to choke when I need to hurt someone, humans naturally dont want to hurt other humans. I dont need to condition for compassion or respect for human life, thats natural. I need to convince myself when legally justified to use force that who ever needs to be hurt needs every bit of it.

We know for a fact she did at least one thing wrong, she associated with some bad folks.





 

If they were out stealing stuff AND had a weapon (either stolen or brought with them) then that changes the perspective a bunch.

Associating with criminals will get you into trouble, sooner or later.  It's unfortunate that this happened to this girl, but hanging out with scum and participating in criminal activity is a good way to get shot.  The little shit-heels who did the burglarizing should be charged according to her injuries.

If we didnt do stupid shit you wouldnt get paid.. now go back to your heat wave!!

Really?

It seems to me like posts filled with stupid conjecture are stupid. We don't know enough facts in this case to make a call.

Charges should be filed against the thieves for her injuries.
The shooter should be forced to go to some marksmanship training.