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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:27:57 PM EST
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Class E required to drive livery in NY...never heard of that, had to look it up. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:28:23 PM EST
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Most stretch limousines are kept in service for 10 years, or more. Top tier companies keep theirs for about 5-6 years, then sell them downstream. Same applies to tour buses (sleepers and coaches), aircraft, etc. 17 years on a limo is a lot of freaking years, but I am not surprised that a tiny 2-4 vehicle service has just that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What the fuck kind of fly-by-night outfit keeps a 2001 model vehicle in service in 2018? Especially in commercial passenger service with the road conditions we have up this way??? Was this another Chinese/Asian bus company or what? Same applies to tour buses (sleepers and coaches), aircraft, etc. 17 years on a limo is a lot of freaking years, but I am not surprised that a tiny 2-4 vehicle service has just that. Motor coaches are good for 20+ years. If maintained well they can go a million+ miles, as they share many of the same components as a semi. And aircraft are good until they accumulate too many flight hours or cycles. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:29:04 PM EST
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:32:02 PM EST
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NTSB guy said there are federal regs covering these stretch conversions. I 'spect brake capacity and weight limits are addressed by those regs. Assuming it was a legal conversion, anyway. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:33:36 PM EST
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Wonder if he skipped out as soon as the accident happened? If Paki's won't extradite, nuke wherever they think he is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: WRGB (CBS6 News) now reporting that the cheapskate Muzzie limo owner is out of the country and is in.... wait for it... PAKISTAN. State authorities have seized all vehicles owned by the limo company. If Paki's won't extradite, nuke wherever they think he is. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:34:05 PM EST
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NY class E wouldn't cut it. Dude needed a minimum of a class C CDL with a passenger endorsement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Class E required to drive livery in NY...never heard of that, had to look it up. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:34:53 PM EST
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His life expectancy may not be that great now that it's been widely reported he was an FBI informant... |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:34:59 PM EST
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The owners house. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/21/4869468-6253639-image-a-22_1539031686921.jpg |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:39:00 PM EST
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:41:39 PM EST
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you are probably right, DMV page said E for taxi/limo but given the size and number of passengers yeah..it's basically a bus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Class E required to drive livery in NY...never heard of that, had to look it up. This is from page 107 of the 2014 CVSA manual:  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:44:42 PM EST
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"Informant" I do not think that word means what you think that word means.
He is an operative. He has no information. He is sent in to get some people doing something illegal, so his owners can arrest, charge, prosecute, convict and look like heroes in the media. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:46:39 PM EST
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Schenectady-based WRGB Now reporting that the limo owner is in Pakistan. Yes, Pakistan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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New York State Police said the owner of the limo company is out of the country. I bet he doesn't come back. Yes, Pakistan. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:47:22 PM EST
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If the vehicle is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, and it's run in commercial service, dude needed a class C CDL with P endorsement. That's federal law. NY law has nothing to do with it at that point. This is from page 107 of the 2014 CVSA manual: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/472753/B4284778-C464-4C37-85B5-E6CF3273F879-698507.JPG |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:48:17 PM EST
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I read in the other thread he's in Dubai. I bet since the driver is dead he will say that he didn't have permission to drive the out of service limo to cover his ass.
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:50:39 PM EST
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Looking at the Ford application guide for chassis cab shuttle buses the highest GVWR for a single rear wheel vehicle is 10,050 lbs.
There is no way in hell that the 3/4ton Excursion with that amount of stretch and 18 people on board weighed in at that weight. https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/brochures/Shuttle%20Bus-2014_LoRes_Rev.pdf |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:52:13 PM EST
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"Informant" I do not think that word means what you think that word means. He is an operative. He has no information. He is sent in to get some people doing something illegal, so his owners can arrest, charge, prosecute, convict and look like heroes in the media. His house is literally 5 blocks away from mine. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:54:08 PM EST
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The owners house. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/21/4869468-6253639-image-a-22_1539031686921.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/19/4866906-6253639-image-a-81_1539024938802.jpg More info on the guy. Link His next house is likely barred with three squares a day. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:57:51 PM EST
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"He became an F.B.I. informant after being charged in 2002 with a scheme involving taking money to illegally help people in the Albany area get driver’s licenses." Sounds like a real stand-up guy . . .  |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 4:58:56 PM EST
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The owners house. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/21/4869468-6253639-image-a-22_1539031686921.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/19/4866906-6253639-image-a-81_1539024938802.jpg More info on the guy. Link |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 5:01:55 PM EST
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A 2-3 limo operation in nowheresville upstate must be MIGHTY profitable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The owners house. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/21/4869468-6253639-image-a-22_1539031686921.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/19/4866906-6253639-image-a-81_1539024938802.jpg More info on the guy. Link |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 5:08:40 PM EST
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Not for long, I'd bet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The owners house. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/21/4869468-6253639-image-a-22_1539031686921.jpg |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:05:28 PM EST
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Prestige limousine NY. The bus they may have rented but broke down. https://cf.nearsay.com/sites/default/files/styles/480x240/public/content_images/prestigeee.jpg?itok=LcISv4gE The Ford Excursion. https://wwcdn.weddingwire.com/vendor/135001_140000/135307/thumbnails/800x800_1496852511304-prestige-11.jpg https://www.weddingwire.com/biz/prestige-limousine-service-rochester/1091e3f1a177a182.html Also, if the brakes were standard factory fare, there is no way they were up to snuff for a vehicle that size and GVWR. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:17:54 PM EST
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Edit: nevermind, wrong spot.
The website for Prestige Limousine is saying it's not them and fake news fucked up the name of the outfit. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 6:39:16 PM EST
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Cuomo on the hook for this one too. After a fatal Limo accident on Long Island in 2015 an investigation was done and the panel made several recommendations for the governor to have implemented. He did nothing and 20 people died. It may be that his indifference may have killed more people in NY than have been murdered by AR15's.
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Posted: 10/8/2018 7:01:26 PM EST
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What's this about a extreme downhill, trucks not allowed because it would cook their brakes?
Any chance the driver rode the brakes all the way down the hill, in a vehicle much heavier than the factory intended it to be, until the brake pads vaporized and the brake fluid boiled? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 7:05:06 PM EST
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What's this about a extreme downhill, trucks not allowed because it would cook their brakes? Any chance the driver rode the brakes all the way down the hill, in a vehicle much heavier than the factory intended it to be, until the brake pads vaporized and the brake fluid boiled? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 7:08:50 PM EST
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That's what it looks like to me but it seems that GD wants to spin a Muslim conspiracy theory. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's this about a extreme downhill, trucks not allowed because it would cook their brakes? Any chance the driver rode the brakes all the way down the hill, in a vehicle much heavier than the factory intended it to be, until the brake pads vaporized and the brake fluid boiled? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 7:19:08 PM EST
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What's this about a extreme downhill, trucks not allowed because it would cook their brakes? Any chance the driver rode the brakes all the way down the hill, in a vehicle much heavier than the factory intended it to be, until the brake pads vaporized and the brake fluid boiled? |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:44:53 PM EST
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Edit: nevermind, wrong spot. The website for Prestige Limousine is saying it's not them and fake news fucked up the name of the outfit. All operating out of the same address. Looks like Chauffeur Service Saratoga is shut down and I couldn't find Luxury Limousine (to ambiguous), but Hasy Limousine is getting slammed on Yelp. People are outright calling them murderers in the reviews! |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:51:18 PM EST
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The company has the same name, Prestige Limousine, and three other names apparently: Chauffeur Service Saratoga, Luxury Limousine and Hasy Limousine. All operating out of the same address. Looks like Chauffeur Service Saratoga is shut down and I couldn't find Luxury Limousine (to ambiguous), but Hasy Limousine is getting slammed on Yelp. People are outright calling them murderers in the reviews! 99.9% this was mech failure due to bad/no maintenance BUT since it's a muzzie / Bureau sting financed outfit the MSM & gp0pgle will memory hole it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:55:24 PM EST
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Prestige Limo says fake news wrong company! I'm sure they are going to sue.
 Message on their website. http://prestigelimony.com/ |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 8:55:49 PM EST
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How does this make no sense??? Those passengers would have been thrown about like a pea in a whistle. Humans can only take just so much trauma. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:02:25 PM EST
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Screenshot the caches before they're history. 99.9% this was mech failure due to bad/no maintenance BUT since it's a muzzie / Bureau sting financed outfit the MSM & gp0pgle will memory hole it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The company has the same name, Prestige Limousine, and three other names apparently: Chauffeur Service Saratoga, Luxury Limousine and Hasy Limousine. All operating out of the same address. Looks like Chauffeur Service Saratoga is shut down and I couldn't find Luxury Limousine (to ambiguous), but Hasy Limousine is getting slammed on Yelp. People are outright calling them murderers in the reviews! 99.9% this was mech failure due to bad/no maintenance BUT since it's a muzzie / Bureau sting financed outfit the MSM & gp0pgle will memory hole it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:09:19 PM EST
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Somehow the American taxpayer will get stuck with the settlements.
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:30:59 PM EST
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There's also a Prestige Car Service (totally unrelated) in NY that is getting caught up in the confusion.
Owner is doing damage control on Yelp, but ratings are taking a hit. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:56:41 PM EST
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Prestige Limo says fake news wrong company! I'm sure they are going to sue. Message on their website. http://prestigelimony.com/ The "Prestige Limousine" company that owns the limo that crashed is a dump, run out of a motel. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 10:06:50 PM EST
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Prestige Limo says fake news wrong company! I'm sure they are going to sue. Message on their website. http://prestigelimony.com/ Might not be that company, but they do have a vehicle like the one that crashed.... |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 10:20:37 PM EST
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"It has been reported that the limousine in question was owned and operated by a business from Gansevoort, New York, also named Prestige Limousine, a business with which we have no connection whatsoever. To our great shock and dismay, I learned that it was reported on one of the network news morning programs that the owner and operator of the limousine involved was our business, Prestige Limousine Service, and that an image of our website was also broadcast, with the logical result and intended effect that we were responsible for the accident and the resulting deaths. This news story and any other news story implicating our business are false."
Sounds like pretty fair grounds for a lawsuit against the news whores. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 11:20:20 PM EST
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I'd been thinking that Rochester was a little far afield to be doing a local trip in the capital region. Gansevoort is significantly (3 hours) closer to the crash site. I'm inclined to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, temporarily anyway.
Have any of the the news reports given a definite ID on the business? Town, address maybe? - ETA: A quick Google on "Prestige Limousine Gansevoort NY" brings up several reports listing the company and location. Seems like the guy in Rochester is gonna make some lawyers rich. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 11:40:18 PM EST
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That’s what it looks like to me but it seems that GD wants to spin a Muslim conspiracy theory. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's this about a extreme downhill, trucks not allowed because it would cook their brakes? Any chance the driver rode the brakes all the way down the hill, in a vehicle much heavier than the factory intended it to be, until the brake pads vaporized and the brake fluid boiled? |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:25:24 AM EST
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A 2-3 limo operation in nowheresville upstate must be MIGHTY profitable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The owners house. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/21/4869468-6253639-image-a-22_1539031686921.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/10/08/19/4866906-6253639-image-a-81_1539024938802.jpg More info on the guy. Link Gansevort is not in Saratoga but could service easily. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:43:29 AM EST
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:58:33 AM EST
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Posted: 10/9/2018 8:01:25 AM EST
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What's this about a extreme downhill, trucks not allowed because it would cook their brakes? Any chance the driver rode the brakes all the way down the hill, in a vehicle much heavier than the factory intended it to be, until the brake pads vaporized and the brake fluid boiled? Engine/transmission braking with braking as appropriate before shifting gears down is the key. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 8:07:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can travel down Pikes Peak using minimal brakes. At about the halfway point you have to stop and have your brakes checked for over heating. Mine are noted as cool. Engine/transmission braking with braking as appropriate before shifting gears down is the key. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 9:43:41 AM EST
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Are you an unlicensed limo driver in a questionably serviced 17 year old vehicle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I can travel down Pikes Peak using minimal brakes. At about the halfway point you have to stop and have your brakes checked for over heating. Mine are noted as cool. Engine/transmission braking with braking as appropriate before shifting gears down is the key. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 9:50:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryTo the current working hypothesis compiled by the SVR about this mysterious limousine assassination plot that killed 20 Americans, this report concludes, is that in no way whatsoever could these deaths have occurred due to blunt force trauma in the vehicle itself, as the physical damage that would have had to occur in such a vehicle crash would be beyond catastrophic, and would have left it in literal pieces—but whose most likely explanation is that these deaths occurred from a timed chorine gas bomb attached to this vehicles’ ventilation system that would have incapacitated everyone instantly, and left them dead in less than 2 minutes, and that all traces of (except in the victims lungs) would dissipate when this vehicles doors would have been opened by emergency personal—and whose most obvious reason for was to present President Trump with an horrific terrorist attack just weeks before his nation’s critical election that he’d be blamed for—but that couldn’t have been accomplished without the full knowing of “Deep State” elements with the FBI, who are currently battling Trump to the death as more of their vile crimes are being exposed by the day. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 9:51:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you an unlicensed limo driver in a questionably serviced 17 year old vehicle? "Questionably serviced" means nothing other than buzz words to slam the business. At this point I have not heard of a mechanical problem (such as a license plate light being out) being a contributor to the accident. Maybe it was mechanical, or driver incapacitation or deliberate...or caused by an external source. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 10:03:41 AM EST
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BAN LIMOS!!!
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Posted: 10/9/2018 11:34:49 AM EST
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The engine block was pushed back into the drivers compartment. (1:20)
 New details on limo crash that killed 20 |
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