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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:02:00 AM EDT
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lol, the thread last week with several saying "THE GT NEEDS A V8!" 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:06:25 AM EDT
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so are the rear lights actually flashing LED's or is it just a "camera" affect? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:06:58 AM EDT
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From a certain point of view, yes. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:09:41 AM EDT
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So it can be slower and the Demon can catch up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From a certain point of view, yes. 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:26:09 AM EDT
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Pretty damn cool vid.
I thought the Demon was about to start catching the GT for a second but it seemed to even out. Would like to see them on a real drag strip and put full slicks on the Demon. probably be much closer like that |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:37:01 AM EDT
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Ecoboosts have been destroying V8's on the street and strip for 8 years now. It's impressive.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:42:42 AM EDT
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Ecoboosts have been destroying V8's on the street and strip for 8 years now. It's impressive. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:49:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:50:59 AM EDT
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The Grand Tour Season 3 episode 1 They don't actually race the Ford against the dodge but explain the dodge pretty well I think it's one of the better episodes of the tgt. 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:06:59 AM EDT
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I would have expected the Demon to win. The Ford GT has a published 1/4 mile at 10.8@130mph and the Demon is 9.65@140mph
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:15:52 AM EDT
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For those of you who don't have Amazon Prime and therefore can't get the Grand Tour... Demon vs. Hennessey (Camaro) Exorcist.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:49:51 AM EDT
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I’d like to see the GT vs a 720S, that would make more sense. The 720S won by multiple car lengths multiple times. Ford GT is good for mid to high 10's in the 1/4. McLaren 720S runs consistent 9.7 in stock trim. Friend of mine here a Huracan, 720S, Ferrari 488 and is thinking about getting the GT. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:16:34 AM EDT
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Ecoboosts have been destroying V8's on the street and strip for 8 years now. It's impressive. Particularly when the application is: $400,000 vaporware car Ford won't sell you and you can't buy from John Cena without getting sued. You can actually buy a Demon, today, for 1/4 the price, "hurrr Fiaaaaaat" won't sue you if you sell it, and it won't sound like a golfcart when you drive it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:20:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And if they added 2 more cylinders with the exact same setup, would it not be better still? Particularly when the application is: $400,000 vaporware car Ford won't sell you and you can't buy from John Cena without getting sued. You can actually buy a Demon, today, for 1/4 the price, "hurrr Fiaaaaaat" won't sue you if you sell it, and it won't sound like a golfcart when you drive it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:26:17 AM EDT
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How is the Ford GT vaporware? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And if they added 2 more cylinders with the exact same setup, would it not be better still? Particularly when the application is: $400,000 vaporware car Ford won't sell you and you can't buy from John Cena without getting sued. You can actually buy a Demon, today, for 1/4 the price, "hurrr Fiaaaaaat" won't sue you if you sell it, and it won't sound like a golfcart when you drive it. Let's say, hypothetically, you want to buy a brand new Ford GT. You walk into your nearest Ford dealer with a duffle bag scrupulously lined with $450,000 in cold hard cash and drop the ten-pound payload onto the sales manager's desk. Chances are, he won't be able to sell you one. Limited to 1,350 units, you have to qualify to be an official Ford brand ambassador in order to buy the supercar. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal". 
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:36:12 AM EDT
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How about either one in a drag race with a Tesla Model S P100D in ludicrous mode?
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:36:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:39:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. B) Technology has far exceeded the need for displacement and cylinders. Also, racing/homologation rules. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:51:18 AM EDT
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A) You clearly don't know what the definition of vaporware is. B) Technology has far exceeded the need for displacement and cylinders. Also, racing/homologation rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. B) Technology has far exceeded the need for displacement and cylinders. Also, racing/homologation rules. You can't buy one. It was hyperbole and you knew it. To now roll out the dictionary definition of vaporware would suggest that it needed to be said, it doesn't. You in no way disproved the general point, it stands, you stand corrected. B) Again, you failed to answer the most basic point, how wouldn't it have been improved by adding the 2 cylinders, in the context of a $400,000 "super" car. If V6 was truly the greatest thing, then Why the W16s, V12s, V10s, and V8s we see in those "super"cars?
The second part is part of the real reason, along with wanting to make more guys feel good about their ecoboost purchases in their mustangs and F-150s. That said, you've said nothing interesting here, a series of "nuh-uhs", but needed to defend your brand and you did. You may comment again, I'm not interested in engaging with you further, about a car that amounts to vaporware, and I think left a lot on the table. I think the car isn't that desireable when considering the price, the hoops you have to jump through to get one, AND the V6 ecotoot engine. No interest. And no matter how many times people pound their fist on the table, it's not that interesting to every consumer, just as small displacement turbos in gasoline trucks aren't that interesting to every buyer. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:53:07 AM EDT
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A) And you totally ducked the most basic point. You can't buy one. It was hyperbole and you knew it. To now roll out the dictionary definition of vaporware would suggest that it needed to be said, it doesn't. You in no way disproved the general point, it stands, you stand corrected. B) Again, you failed to answer the most basic point, how wouldn't it have been improved by adding the 2 cylinders, in the context of a $400,000 "super" car. If V6 was truly the greatest thing, then Why the W16s, V12s, V10s, and V8s we see in those "super"cars?
The second part is part of the real reason, along with wanting to make more guys feel good about their ecoboost purchases in their mustangs and F-150s. That said, you've said nothing interesting here, a series of "nuh-uhs", but needed to defend your brand and you did. You may comment again, I'm not interested in engaging with you further, about a car that amounts to vaporware, and I think left a lot on the table. I think the car isn't that desireable when considering the price, the hoops you have to jump through to get one, AND the V6 ecotoot engine. No interest. And no matter how many times people pound their fist on the table, it's not that interesting to every consumer, just as small displacement turbos in gasoline trucks aren't that interesting to every buyer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. B) Technology has far exceeded the need for displacement and cylinders. Also, racing/homologation rules. You can't buy one. It was hyperbole and you knew it. To now roll out the dictionary definition of vaporware would suggest that it needed to be said, it doesn't. You in no way disproved the general point, it stands, you stand corrected. B) Again, you failed to answer the most basic point, how wouldn't it have been improved by adding the 2 cylinders, in the context of a $400,000 "super" car. If V6 was truly the greatest thing, then Why the W16s, V12s, V10s, and V8s we see in those "super"cars?
The second part is part of the real reason, along with wanting to make more guys feel good about their ecoboost purchases in their mustangs and F-150s. That said, you've said nothing interesting here, a series of "nuh-uhs", but needed to defend your brand and you did. You may comment again, I'm not interested in engaging with you further, about a car that amounts to vaporware, and I think left a lot on the table. I think the car isn't that desireable when considering the price, the hoops you have to jump through to get one, AND the V6 ecotoot engine. No interest. And no matter how many times people pound their fist on the table, it's not that interesting to every consumer, just as small displacement turbos in gasoline trucks aren't that interesting to every buyer. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:01:38 PM EDT
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so are the rear lights actually flashing LED's or is it just a "camera" affect?  Why Do Cameras Do This? | Rolling Shutter Explained - Smarter Every Day 172 |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:06:29 PM EDT
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Now throw some curves in there and laugh when the Demon has to get pulled out of the mud trying to keep up with the GT. The GT is not a drag car and this comparison was silly.
Two different cars for two different purposes. I’d happily own both of them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:08:59 PM EDT
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I thought the demon would start to run down the gt, seemed like it only evened out or maybe the gt was still pulling away ever so slightly the whole way. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:15:17 PM EDT
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And if they added 2 more cylinders with the exact same setup, would it not be better still? Particularly when the application is: $400,000 vaporware car Ford won't sell you and you can't buy from John Cena without getting sued. You can actually buy a Demon, today, for 1/4 the price, "hurrr Fiaaaaaat" won't sue you if you sell it, and it won't sound like a golfcart when you drive it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ecoboosts have been destroying V8's on the street and strip for 8 years now. It's impressive. Particularly when the application is: $400,000 vaporware car Ford won't sell you and you can't buy from John Cena without getting sued. You can actually buy a Demon, today, for 1/4 the price, "hurrr Fiaaaaaat" won't sue you if you sell it, and it won't sound like a golfcart when you drive it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:19:12 PM EDT
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: And if they added 2 more cylinders with the exact same setup, would it not be better still? Particularly when the application is: $400,000 vaporware car Ford won't sell you and you can't buy from John Cena without getting sued. You can actually buy a Demon, today, for 1/4 the price, "hurrr Fiaaaaaat" won't sue you if you sell it, and it won't sound like a golfcart when you drive it. Let's say, hypothetically, you want to buy a brand new Ford GT. You walk into your nearest Ford dealer with a duffle bag scrupulously lined with $450,000 in cold hard cash and drop the ten-pound payload onto the sales manager's desk. Chances are, he won't be able to sell you one. Limited to 1,350 units, you have to qualify to be an official Ford brand ambassador in order to buy the supercar. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:22:40 PM EDT
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On a prepped surface, that Demon destroys the GT
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:47:34 PM EDT
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How about either one in a drag race with a Tesla Model S P100D in ludicrous mode? Teslas fall on their face after the 1/4 mile mark.  Porsche 918 Spyder vs McLaren 720S & Tesla P100D Drag Racing 1/2 Mile  1/2 Mile CTS-V vs. Tesla Model S Ludicrous Mode  Tesla Model S vs Lexus ISF - 1/2 Mile Drag Race!  Longboarder's 911 Turbo S vs Tesla Model S P100D Half Mile |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:33:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. Are you really that blind to the entire history of the Ford GT? Mid 1960's. Ferrari races V-12's at Lemans. Ford get's pissed off and wins Lemans with Ford V-8's of the heritage found in ordinary Ford's of the day. Late 20 teens. Ford brings back the GT and wins Lemans again with a V6 of the heritage found in ordinary Ford's of the day. Didn't it race against V-8 Ferrari's? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:43:34 PM EDT
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Ford first to the finish line, but not by much. Dodge first to the junk yard, but not by much
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:45:46 PM EDT
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Holy hell you're dense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. B) Technology has far exceeded the need for displacement and cylinders. Also, racing/homologation rules. You can't buy one. It was hyperbole and you knew it. To now roll out the dictionary definition of vaporware would suggest that it needed to be said, it doesn't. You in no way disproved the general point, it stands, you stand corrected. B) Again, you failed to answer the most basic point, how wouldn't it have been improved by adding the 2 cylinders, in the context of a $400,000 "super" car. If V6 was truly the greatest thing, then Why the W16s, V12s, V10s, and V8s we see in those "super"cars?
The second part is part of the real reason, along with wanting to make more guys feel good about their ecoboost purchases in their mustangs and F-150s. That said, you've said nothing interesting here, a series of "nuh-uhs", but needed to defend your brand and you did. You may comment again, I'm not interested in engaging with you further, about a car that amounts to vaporware, and I think left a lot on the table. I think the car isn't that desireable when considering the price, the hoops you have to jump through to get one, AND the V6 ecotoot engine. No interest. And no matter how many times people pound their fist on the table, it's not that interesting to every consumer, just as small displacement turbos in gasoline trucks aren't that interesting to every buyer. A Personal attack? I think you're a brand fanboy that's not willing to see the obvious. I'm countering with: You're being dense, AND you're projecting. 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:46:46 PM EDT
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You do realize that the V8s in most exotics are tiny right? Like displacement of 4 liters or less small and the GT puts out more power than most of them. Small engines keep the weight down and weight is the enemy when you’re building a track car. Ford didn’t bother designing a new engine from the block up because that’s expensive and they already had a block in the parts bin that was more than up to the task. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: And if they added 2 more cylinders with the exact same setup, would it not be better still? Particularly when the application is: $400,000 vaporware car Ford won't sell you and you can't buy from John Cena without getting sued. You can actually buy a Demon, today, for 1/4 the price, "hurrr Fiaaaaaat" won't sue you if you sell it, and it won't sound like a golfcart when you drive it. Let's say, hypothetically, you want to buy a brand new Ford GT. You walk into your nearest Ford dealer with a duffle bag scrupulously lined with $450,000 in cold hard cash and drop the ten-pound payload onto the sales manager's desk. Chances are, he won't be able to sell you one. Limited to 1,350 units, you have to qualify to be an official Ford brand ambassador in order to buy the supercar. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. That's all well and good. a 4.x liter V8 would have made it more desirable. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. That's all well and good. a 4.x liter V8 would have made it more desirable. 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:51:46 PM EDT
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I don't even know why they made the car honestly. It's a halo car. Increases brand recognition. And the car was specifically built for DRAG STRIP operation. Not street, not road course, not top speed. Very narrowly focused and it does its job well. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:53:09 PM EDT
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So you are saying Ford could have beat the V-8 Demon if they put a V-8 or a V-12 in the GT? Are you really that blind to the entire history of the Ford GT? Mid 1960's. Ferrari races V-12's at Lemans. Ford get's pissed off and wins Lemans with Ford V-8's of the heritage found in ordinary Ford's of the day. Late 20 teens. Ford brings back the GT and wins Lemans again with a V6 of the heritage found in ordinary Ford's of the day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. Are you really that blind to the entire history of the Ford GT? Mid 1960's. Ferrari races V-12's at Lemans. Ford get's pissed off and wins Lemans with Ford V-8's of the heritage found in ordinary Ford's of the day. Late 20 teens. Ford brings back the GT and wins Lemans again with a V6 of the heritage found in ordinary Ford's of the day. That was the time Ford was asshurt that Enzo wouldn't sell him his company, his pride and joy, and had to get Carol shelby, Holman Moody, and bring a massive corporation's dollars to play to beat an old man running his small business, after years of trying, right? 
What a hero! Arf loves a big company kicking sand in a small business guy's face. Imagine Colt getting upset at geissele after he wouldn't give up everything concerning his pride and joy, begging the BCM guys to help, and taking years to stick it to geissele. And everyone celebrating that goliath beat david.
And a few backwards cartwheels doesn't get us to - V6 being the most desirable thing Ford could have put in a $400,000 car that they won't sell you. But hey, can you believe it? It's faster than $100,000 car and guys are congratulation themselves about it, and in such a rush to claim that V6 is the end all be all! "3.5L V6 isn't really the sexiest engine I've seen in a car that runs $400,000" is now such a triggering phrase, it gets personal attacks out of the fans.
The same people saying the V8 was dead, because, a $400,000 car that none of us can buy was faster than a $100,000 car. Pretty amazing. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:54:52 PM EDT
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Without watching...what is the point of this race? Full size sedan sized car against a track car? Not saying that muscle cars can't be made to beat sports cars. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:00:02 PM EDT
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More desirable? You're bitching that it's "vaporware" because it's sold out and you can't buy one anywhere and a V8 would make it more desirable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yup. That's all well and good. a 4.x liter V8 would have made it more desirable. - Certain guys who can't argue well, proud of themselves that a $400,000 car that a corporation will sue you for trying to buy, can do something better than a $100,000 car - My face when:  Attached FileETA: I admire your toughness though, when it comes to a good old fashioned GD feces-fling about stuff neither of us own? You've got toughness, and juuuuust enough speed on that fastball. Not bad, I give this joust a 7/10. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:02:21 PM EDT
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-They won't sell you one - Certain guys who can't argue well, proud of themselves that a $400,000 car that a corporation will sue you for trying to buy, can do something better than a $100,000 car - My face when: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/144599/Maximum_Laughter_jpg-823388.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may be wrong, but I think it has to do with the hertz of the bulbs. 120hz = 120 flashes a second. Video Cameras arent one continuous stream but more like a bunch of pics taken very quickly. Sometimes the flash of the bulb is off when the video camera is taking its pic, making it seem like the light is flashing, which it actually is. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I'm aware. That was the time Ford was asshurt that Enzo wouldn't sell him his company, his pride and joy, and had to get Carol shelby, Holman Moody, and bring a massive corporation's dollars to play to beat an old man running his small business, after years of trying, right?
What a hero! Arf loves a big company kicking sand in a small business guy's face. Imagine Colt getting upset at geissele after he wouldn't give up everything concerning his pride and joy, begging the BCM guys to help, and taking years to stick it to geissele. And everyone celebrating that goliath beat david.
And a few backwards cartwheels doesn't get us to - V6 being the most desirable thing Ford could have put in a $400,000 car that they won't sell you. But hey, can you believe it? It's faster than $100,000 car and guys are congratulation themselves about it, and in such a rush to claim that V6 is the end all be all! "3.5L V6 isn't really the sexiest engine I've seen in a car that runs $400,000" is now such a triggering phrase, it gets personal attacks out of the fans.
The same people saying the V8 was dead, because, a $400,000 car that none of us can buy was faster than a $100,000 car. Pretty amazing. Results matter. Inline, overhead cam sixes, large displacement, cross plane crank, pushrod V-8's, overhead cam, 4 valve V-8's, flat-sixes, V-12's, Flat-12's, Inline, DOHC, 4's with variable valve timing. Super or turbo charged versions of each. And now we have overhead cam V-6's, with twin turbos that in ordinary trucks make more power at low rpm's than big block V-8's. Each of these engines has been applied to achieve spectacular results. Economics, fuel consumption, driveability, packaging, center of gravity, weight all play a role. The engine is a part of a system with the vehicle. The application of the engine to the vehicles purpose is what matters. Artificial judgemental requirements such as hp/displacement, number of cylinders, or other stand alone attributes aren't the measure of the overall system performance. In the 80's, high strung, small displacement turbo engines in passenger cars had a short duration, limited appeal. Sure they produced high power for displacement, but they tended to be peaky and laggy. Now Ford, applies technology and we have low rpm power out of V-6's. Inline 4's to. This is progress. Get over it. For what it's worth, I like my inline 6 turbodiesel, my overhead cam, NA V-8, and before that my long stroke DOHC, inline 4. Each had something to cause it's appeal. When you drive it, you find what you like. Some engines, don't appeal to me. Some have faults, but they also excel in other areas. I weigh that sum to determine it's appeal. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How are you going to do a half mile on a drag strip? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:37:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:44:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. Sure, they could offer a street version with a 1k HP twin turbo V8, but they don't make and sell enough for that to be worth it. Besides, that would be missing the point of the car. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:47:39 PM EDT
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I would have expected the Demon to win. The Ford GT has a published 1/4 mile at 10.8@130mph and the Demon is 9.65@140mph |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:49:16 PM EDT
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But muh V8!
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:50:11 PM EDT
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Friend has a Demon, that bitch is scary! Like unsafe.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:50:45 PM EDT
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Friend has a Demon, that bitch is scary!
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:51:53 PM EDT
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But is it scary enough to prohibit you from snatching a $100 bill off the dash when he takes off? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:53:04 PM EDT
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That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. That's all well and good. a 4.x liter V8 would have made it more desirable. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:53:55 PM EDT
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A) And you totally ducked the most basic point. You can't buy one. It was hyperbole and you knew it. To now roll out the dictionary definition of vaporware would suggest that it needed to be said, it doesn't. You in no way disproved the general point, it stands, you stand corrected. B) Again, you failed to answer the most basic point, how wouldn't it have been improved by adding the 2 cylinders, in the context of a $400,000 "super" car. If V6 was truly the greatest thing, then Why the W16s, V12s, V10s, and V8s we see in those "super"cars?
The second part is part of the real reason, along with wanting to make more guys feel good about their ecoboost purchases in their mustangs and F-150s. That said, you've said nothing interesting here, a series of "nuh-uhs", but needed to defend your brand and you did. You may comment again, I'm not interested in engaging with you further, about a car that amounts to vaporware, and I think left a lot on the table. I think the car isn't that desireable when considering the price, the hoops you have to jump through to get one, AND the V6 ecotoot engine. No interest. And no matter how many times people pound their fist on the table, it's not that interesting to every consumer, just as small displacement turbos in gasoline trucks aren't that interesting to every buyer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/news/26163/dont-even-think-about-selling-your-new-ford-gt-at-mecum%3fsource=dam Because you basically can't buy one. They will only sell their V6 super car to someone in their safe space. For those of us arguing a $100,000 car vs a $400,000 car, one of those is one you can buy, right now. The other is basically vaporware. You can go by a demon, right now if you have the money. Well you could buy 4 demons right now. You could even sell them whever you please. I like impractical fantasy cars that don't get captured. All I'm saying. ETA: That said, the question that always gets ducked in the Ford GT threads - if all Ford did, was add 2 cyclinders and keep the other systems appropriate, which would add horsepower and make it sound like, idk, NOT a nissan GTR, how would that not make this "supercar" more desireable? "All other things being equal".
That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. B) Technology has far exceeded the need for displacement and cylinders. Also, racing/homologation rules. You can't buy one. It was hyperbole and you knew it. To now roll out the dictionary definition of vaporware would suggest that it needed to be said, it doesn't. You in no way disproved the general point, it stands, you stand corrected. B) Again, you failed to answer the most basic point, how wouldn't it have been improved by adding the 2 cylinders, in the context of a $400,000 "super" car. If V6 was truly the greatest thing, then Why the W16s, V12s, V10s, and V8s we see in those "super"cars?
The second part is part of the real reason, along with wanting to make more guys feel good about their ecoboost purchases in their mustangs and F-150s. That said, you've said nothing interesting here, a series of "nuh-uhs", but needed to defend your brand and you did. You may comment again, I'm not interested in engaging with you further, about a car that amounts to vaporware, and I think left a lot on the table. I think the car isn't that desireable when considering the price, the hoops you have to jump through to get one, AND the V6 ecotoot engine. No interest. And no matter how many times people pound their fist on the table, it's not that interesting to every consumer, just as small displacement turbos in gasoline trucks aren't that interesting to every buyer. Change your profile pic..
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:03:03 PM EDT
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That always gets ducked or get's some mental-cartwheels logic answers. Reality is this is a super expensive vaporware car, for $400,000 they could have put anything they wanted in it, they could have put a V12 in it. They put in an ecoboost as a way of selling more ecoboosts in their trucks and mustangs. "See, my F-150's ecoboost is cool because, they have an engine that says ecoboost in the GT. V6 turbo is better than everything." "What about V8 turbo?" "LA-LA-LA-LA-AL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT" And that engine family only exists due to EPA ban compliance. That's all well and good. a 4.x liter V8 would have made it more desirable. |
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