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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:14:22 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hatchbacks don't sell unless it's a crossover or suv Hot hatches are still a thing, and the WRX getting rid of it is likely why the Focus ST did as well as it did. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:15:52 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought those numbers were anemic too. My wife’s’19 Kia Cadenza makes 290 HP with a 3.3 GDI. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 271 and 258what pathetic numbers in this day and age. Jesus subaru. And this is from someone who has had two turbo Legacies, and at one point owned a GC8, bug eye, and blob at the same time. What a fucking disappointment. ETA VA .2 model. But uglier. If they'd bring back the hatch, it might look decent but that cladding and weird trunk/c pillar is gross. I thought those numbers were anemic too. My wife’s’19 Kia Cadenza makes 290 HP with a 3.3 GDI. They always want to give the STI room, so detuning the motor to keep the STI special is what happened here. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:17:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our Highlander AWD only has 295 HP /263 torque and It's pretty damn fast. I imagine this weighs a little less, so still fast. Shitty head gasket, butt ugly lezbo mobile, but fast. You have a much different definition of “fast” than the average car enthusiast and certainly different than the average WRX buyer. This new car isn’t quick or fast. With a slew of peppy EV coming out with AWD this is not a step forward at all for Subaru. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:18:33 AM EDT
[#4]
Awesome car for a teenage girl.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:19:24 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They always want to give the STI room, so detuning the motor to keep the STI special is what happened here. Lol they say that every generation. This is not a power jump for the WRX. Why would you assume the STI will get a power bump from where it is. The WRX and WRX STI need at least 50hp/tq more to even be a contender in today’s market. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:21:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Always has been But with awd and a more finicky engine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it's a 4 door civic Always has been But with awd and a more finicky engine. I hate Boxer engines. Head gasket replacement, here we come! |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:23:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol they say that every generation. This is not a power jump for the WRX. Why would you assume the STI will get a power bump from where it is. The WRX and WRX STI need at least 50hp/tq more to even be a contender in today’s market. Does it though? Unless they raise the price, what sub 30k sporty-ish cars make that power? Don’t get me wrong it’s still lower than I want, but I’ve been resigned to a much higher price tag for a long time now. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:26:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t believe they are still hung up on NOT selling a hatchback WRX. Had a 2015 and loved it, but when half of them sold are hatches and they decided to only sell sedans? Epic fail. When it came time to replace wife's DD 2005 Saab 92x (rebadged WRX Wagon) we wanted to buy another WRX. Since the Sport Wagon was no longer available, we bought elsewhere. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:28:03 AM EDT
[#9]
Ugg, why is everyone putting civic tail lights on their cars now?
<- JDM fanboy |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:29:16 AM EDT
[#10]
I would get the new Hyundai Elantra N
 2022 Hyundai Elantra N: First Look — Cars.com |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:29:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still holding my breath for a proper, high performance auto tranny in a WRX... Well, it looks like you got your wish in the GT trim of this car. It looks like only the auto is offered in the top trim which I believe is a mistake. Still, I'm happy anytime a manufacturer makes a new performance car available with a manual. Curious what the STI will be like. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:30:21 AM EDT
[#12]
lol, wow, such orange, fuck Subaru, fucking lesbo junk, you couldn't get me in one alive
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:33:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it looks like you got your wish in the GT trim of this car. It looks like only the auto is offered in the top trim which I believe is a mistake. Still, I'm happy anytime a manufacturer makes a new performance car available with a manual. Curious what the STI will be like. Still sounds like it comes with a CVT to me but with some different tuning to make it pretend to be sporty while “shifting”. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:37:48 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryIf you don't want AWD then by all means get something besides a WRX.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:38:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hot hatches are still a thing, and the WRX getting rid of it is likely why the Focus ST did as well as it did. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hatchbacks don't sell unless it's a crossover or suv Hot hatches are still a thing, and the WRX getting rid of it is likely why the Focus ST did as well as it did. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:44:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol they say that every generation. This is not a power jump for the WRX. Why would you assume the STI will get a power bump from where it is. The WRX and WRX STI need at least 50hp/tq more to even be a contender in today’s market. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They always want to give the STI room, so detuning the motor to keep the STI special is what happened here. Lol they say that every generation. This is not a power jump for the WRX. Why would you assume the STI will get a power bump from where it is. The WRX and WRX STI need at least 50hp/tq more to even be a contender in today’s market. The STI won't be using the EJ series motors anymore. It will likely get some boost over the previous 305. At least I hope so. You are right about them needing at least 50hp/tq more. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 271 and 258what pathetic numbers in this day and age. Jesus subaru. And this is from someone who has had two turbo Legacies, and at one point owned a GC8, bug eye, and blob at the same time. What a fucking disappointment. ETA VA .2 model. But uglier. If they'd bring back the hatch, it might look decent but that cladding and weird trunk/c pillar is gross. OMFG they squished a Crosstrek.  But talking about the engines themselves. The 2.4 Turbo in the Outback XT's are seriously underrated, we are finding they are dynoing above the expected numbers. But that seems standard for your typical 2.0-2.4 Turbo engine. Now the STI will come out swinging above 300hp as usual. These fucking manufacturers keep ever so slightly nudging the power forward. The STI's could easily come from the factory with 400 HP with every little changes. My Outback XT and the Ascents should have came with 300, not 268 (they do dyno stronger though). COBB is fixing some things as usual that the manufacturer missed in the tuning. Once they smooth out that erratic maniac of a CVT an, get the boost under control and add in about a 10% increase in power, we should be smooth. And to Subaru of America. We want a fucking STI wagon/hatch back again! With a real manual, and 350+hp. Bastards. 
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:49:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hot hatches are still a thing, and the WRX getting rid of it is likely why the Focus ST did as well as it did. My Focus ST and Focus RS's were the finest vehicles to come from Ford in decades. No matter how modded they got, how hard they were drive, they were so solid. The engines were seriously underrated as well and took to tuning like a fat girl to cake. I should have never sold them 
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:49:35 AM EDT
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I'm still waiting on an STi Forester...
GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT SUBARU! I do miss my 07 STi... |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:50:27 AM EDT
[#20]
What? They used a new larger engine and it has roughly the same power as the previous model?
FAIL. It needed at least 290-300 horsepower. WTF Subaru. Also those fenders are hideous. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:51:24 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The STI won't be using the EJ series motors anymore. It will likely get some boost over the previous 305. At least I hope so. You are right about them needing at least 50hp/tq more. In all fairness, that hasn't been confirmed. While extremely unlikely I'd laugh my ass off for days if we end up with the EJ for yet another 10 years in the STI. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:52:43 AM EDT
[#22]
Queer
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:53:28 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t believe they are still hung up on NOT selling a hatchback WRX. Had a 2015 and loved it, but when half of them sold are hatches and they decided to only sell sedans? Epic fail. Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t believe they are still hung up on NOT selling a hatchback WRX. Had a 2015 and loved it, but when half of them sold are hatches and they decided to only sell sedans? Epic fail. Agree. I had a HB STI. When I needed a new car, I switched to a Golf-R because the STIs no longer had a HB. Now I an fanaticizing about the 2022 Golf R. ETA: Quoted: Hatchbacks don't sell unless it's a crossover or suv VW sells hatchback Golf's as fast as they can make them. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:53:54 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What? They used a new larger engine and it has roughly the same power as the previous model? FAIL. It needed at least 290-300 horsepower. WTF Subaru. Also those fenders are hideous. The standard WRX will never see 300 from the factory unless it's wearing an STI badge. And the STI's better ramp shit up fast with the talks of a new Mitsu EVO on the horizon. If that beast comes back, Subaru is in trouble again. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:54:36 AM EDT
[#25]
Looks like a bigger current gen corolla.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:54:40 AM EDT
[#26]
Now bring back the XT Forester.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:54:48 AM EDT
[#27]
Those power numbers are weak.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:55:18 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree. I had a HB STI. When I needed a new car, I switched to a Golf-R because the STIs no longer had a HB. Now I an fanaticizing about the 2022 Golf R. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't believe they are still hung up on NOT selling a hatchback WRX. Had a 2015 and loved it, but when half of them sold are hatches and they decided to only sell sedans? Epic fail. Agree. I had a HB STI. When I needed a new car, I switched to a Golf-R because the STIs no longer had a HB. Now I an fanaticizing about the 2022 Golf R. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:56:10 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The standard WRX will never see 300 from the factory unless it's wearing an STI badge. And the STI's better ramp shit up fast with the talks of a new Mitsu EVO on the horizon. If that beast comes back, Subaru is in trouble again. Subaru hasn't been pushing boundaries in awhile. I'd bet at most we'll see 350 in the new STI but more likely just a few above the Type R just to say they beat it. They can then spend the next decade doing 5hp power boosts every few years just to say they did something. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:56:35 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So its the same thing as last year's? Does this one still drink oil and blow ringlands? Again… That hasn’t been a thing in years. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:58:19 AM EDT
[#31]
We get it, you vape
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:58:24 AM EDT
[#32]
Pricing?
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Posted: 9/10/2021 10:59:14 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pricing? Not released as far as I can tell, but I'd bet 25-35k depending on trim. Nothing here screams to me that they are bumping this up a price tier. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:01:50 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't it launch it on Gay Pride Month?  |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:13:34 AM EDT
[#35]
Finally a WRX with some decent styling.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:15:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:16:26 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistorySo fucking gross. It lacks any kind of aggression at all. RIP WRX, your time was coming and now we are here.  Looks like a great rental fleet vehicle though. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:16:31 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Finally a WRX with some decent styling. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:21:03 AM EDT
[#39]
The taillights remind me of some past Hondas. I do like the black cladding around the fenders though.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:23:18 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So fucking gross. It lacks any kind of aggression at all. RIP WRX, your time was coming and now we are here. Looks like a great rental fleet vehicle though. It's not the first time. 2008 was another year where they went super soft and the whole world went into an uproar about it. 2009 was a slight refresh to make the fenders look more aggressive. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:27:57 AM EDT
[#41]
No power increase and the same rather crappy MPG for the STI probably……shame. $35-45k price point lol nope.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:29:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's when Ford, Chevy, and Dodge were launching all their new brodozers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why didn't it launch it on Gay Pride Month?  |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:32:22 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All I've wanted from Subaru for years is to put a turbo driveline in the crosstrek. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 12:08:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not released as far as I can tell, but I'd bet 25-35k depending on trim. Nothing here screams to me that they are bumping this up a price tier. Hopefully that’s the case. If they can keep the base model at $25-28k that would be awesome. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 12:16:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like a Corolla. Was my exact thought |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 12:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They keep talking about it but corporate says they have trouble keeping the crosstrek in stock now, never mind if they introduced a turbo model. I have owned two crosstreks - a turbo would be awesome!! I hope they finally offer it one day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All I've wanted from Subaru for years is to put a turbo driveline in the crosstrek. I don't get the current Impreza 4/5door line. Lets make a cheap utilitarian vehicle with regular car ground clearance despite the awesome all wheel drive and stuff in a shit fucking horrible drivetrain. The base crosstrek is only $3,450 more MSRP then a 4 door Impreza. I'd rather spend a bit more for a civic or corolla if I wanted a small sedan and if I was that worried about needing AWD i'd just get a set of winter tires for it. Subaru just seems to love to iterate on mediocrity. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 12:19:38 PM EDT
[#47]
Well that looks like an orange Honda Accord.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 12:21:11 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All I've wanted from Subaru for years is to put a turbo driveline in the crosstrek. That would have been great- we test drove a Premium but wanted a little more juice, so we had to order a Sport. The 2.0 with a turbo and the sport modes would be just the thing. I have the 2.0 turbo on my Forester XT and it's a blast. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 12:35:29 PM EDT
[#49]
WRX's are fun little cars at a somewhat reasonable price for what you get. No auto trans, no buy.
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Posted: 9/10/2021 12:42:31 PM EDT
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Wow. Was hopeful, but yeah that looks like shit and those numbers suck.
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