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Quoted: All of this. The capacity gains we could see in handguns could be pretty crazy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: IF (and this is a massive if): ...a major manufacturer has developed a round that reliably meets the FBI protocol AND has a smaller case diameter than 9X19, it's a very, very big deal. All of this. The capacity gains we could see in handguns could be pretty crazy. I suspect this is going to have the market success of .45GAP and .41AE though. |
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Quoted: IF (and this is a massive if): ...a major manufacturer has developed a round that reliably meets the FBI protocol AND has a smaller case diameter than 9X19, it's a very, very big deal. View Quote That would be a BIG deal. Actually, that 9mm can now reliably pass the FBI protocol is a BIG deal. That is a recent (less than 5 years ago) development. |
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Quoted: My money is on suped up French Longue, only thing that really makes sense. If it really does replicate 9mm ballistics we could have something sorta interesting in a full sized package where you could cram 4 or 5 more rounds in the same sized gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Since the capacity is 10 instead of 8, I am going with this is a new fad caliber that's basically a .32ACP but rimless and loaded to higher pressure. I will laugh my ass off it it turns out to be 7.6520mm Longue. My money is on suped up French Longue, only thing that really makes sense. If it really does replicate 9mm ballistics we could have something sorta interesting in a full sized package where you could cram 4 or 5 more rounds in the same sized gun. Base diameters: 9x19 - .391" .380acp - .374" 7.65x20 - .336" Basically, we're looking at a cartridge that's ~15% smaller in diameter than 9mm. Given that the standard Shield EZ 380 holds 8 rounds and this one apparently holds 10, that tracks. Now imagine roughly... 18 rounds in a G19 13 rounds in a P365 21 rounds in a G17 or Beretta 92 8 rounds in a G42 12 rounds in a LCP Max All with flush fit mags. This could get fun. |
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Quoted: Base diameters: 9x19 - .391" .380acp - .374" 7.65x20 - .336" Basically, we're looking at a cartridge that's ~15% smaller in diameter than 9mm. Given that the standard Shield EZ 380 holds 8 rounds and this one apparently holds 10, that tracks. Now imagine roughly... 18 rounds in a G19 13 rounds in a P365 21 rounds in a G17 or Beretta 92 8 rounds in a G42 12 rounds in a LCP Max All with flush fit mags. This could get fun. View Quote And 50-70 rounds in a pdw-type weapon.... |
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100gr JHP 30 Super Carry
Buy the specs have it listed as 180gr 30 06 https://www.google.com/amp/s/vizardsgunsandammo.com/amp/s-w-shield-ez-30-super-carry-blackened-ss-blk-no-thumb-sfty/ |
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Quoted: Base diameters: 9x19 - .391" .380acp - .374" 7.65x20 - .336" Basically, we're looking at a cartridge that's ~15% smaller in diameter than 9mm. Given that the standard Shield EZ 380 holds 8 rounds and this one apparently holds 10, that tracks. Now imagine roughly... 18 rounds in a G19 13 rounds in a P365 21 rounds in a G17 or Beretta 92 8 rounds in a G42 12 rounds in a LCP Max All with flush fit mags. This could get fun. View Quote I've been wondering for 20 years why nobody has gone here. |
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They should neck that up to a .355" wildcat round, would have more mass and hit harder.
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Quoted: New round from Federal. 100gr FMJ and HST https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/download_jpeg-2228296.JPG View Quote For fucks sake. Can't even get real ammo out there enough to keep prices reasonable and they throw money at this bull shit? |
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Quoted: Super 30. Seems like it would be a wristbreaker out of a handgun. View Quote |
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If it doesn't have 7.62x25mm ballistics I'm not interested.
Does it? |
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Quoted: Now we need 1911s in .25 Super!!! View Quote One of my crazy project ideas in the .25X25. Take the .25ACP, lose the vestigial rim, strengthen the case web, stretch the case out to 25mm. Develop a 30-50gr bullet for controlled expansion at 2,000fps, and stuff it over a shitload of powder. |
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Who just got the 2022 Hodgdon reloading manual?
Is it in there? |
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Based on 1 internet comment(leak or guess?) 115g at 1250
Best guess is straight case so close but not quite 327 for auto? |
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Quoted: I thought you said .25 Souper and I was like WTF? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Now we need 1911s in .25 Super!!! I thought you said .25 Souper and I was like WTF? Spend some time on a certain web sites that spells bullets "boolits" and you'll see its probably already been dun b fo. |
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Quoted: The right bullet (monolithic HP maybe?) could make that a very big deal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Interesting, might be able to squeeze 90 grains at 1400 out of that, maybe. The right bullet (monolithic HP maybe?) could make that a very big deal. You can take a copper solid hp then drill it out and and put a nickel core (from welding rods) and it's not technically illegal, but it makes a darn fine ap round |
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Quoted: Since the capacity is 10 instead of 8, I am going with this is a new fad caliber that's basically a .32ACP but rimless and loaded to higher pressure. I will laugh my ass off it it turns out to be 7.6520mm Longue. View Quote I've always wondered about a modernized 7.62x20 Longue, running modern powder at what would be considered +P+ pressures from compressed loads. Of course, the ammo would have to be labeled "Ruger only." Kharn |
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Quoted: New round from Federal. 100gr FMJ and HST https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/download_jpeg-2228296.JPG View Quote Manufacturers can’t keep up with the demand for mainstream calibers and now they’re marketing new one? |
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Quoted: Thought op was confused with 38 Super until I seen the pic of the ammo box. Then was like /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/butWhy-734.gif View Quote Yeah basically. |
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If the recoil is less punishing to tender wrists than 9mm half of Arfcom will have one strapped to their battle belt in no time.
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Quoted: The solution no one asked for, to a problem that doesnt exist View Quote Here we go again just like the 45 gap, 10 mm or 357 sig! Attached File |
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If real, this round wouldn’t be for replacing 9mm in terms of performance. Instead I think the idea is to find something that can replace the .380, or at least provide better performance than the .380 in the same size package with more capacity.
Basically what the .327 federal gives you over .38 special, but for auto loaders The vast majority of .380 HP loads don’t get enough penetration. This new round in theory could provide good expansion and penetration in a small pocket pistol package. And give you an extra round or two over .380 |
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Quoted: Super 30. Seems like it would be a wristbreaker out of a handgun. View Quote Warning, Glock 9mm fan boys should avoid this handgun at all cost, it's a little snappy and we know you couldn't handle it. |
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Quoted: IF (and this is a massive if): ...a major manufacturer has developed a round that reliably meets the FBI protocol AND has a smaller case diameter than 9X19, it's a very, very big deal. View Quote Yeah that's kinda my thought too, since you might could squeeze 23-25 of them into some of the full size guns out there now. |
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Quoted: You can take a copper solid hp then drill it out and and put a nickel core (from welding rods) and it's not technically illegal, but it makes a darn fine ap round View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting, might be able to squeeze 90 grains at 1400 out of that, maybe. The right bullet (monolithic HP maybe?) could make that a very big deal. You can take a copper solid hp then drill it out and and put a nickel core (from welding rods) and it's not technically illegal, but it makes a darn fine ap round |
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a 100gr HST going 1200FPS would be interesting from the little LCP sized mouse guns, assuming it meets FBI protocols
but this is a terrible time to release a new caliberand its weird to see them making a smaller cartridge in a bigger handgun while the trend is making 9mm handguns even smaller and smaller |
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Quoted: Thought op was confused with 38 Super until I seen the pic of the ammo box. Then was like /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/butWhy-734.gif View Quote I assure you that if it rolls out named as is you won’t be anywhere near the last person to make that mistake |
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Quoted: I would if the chambered a modern pistol in that caliber. A glockarev maybe?? Double stack mag, suppressor ready, slide cut for a red dot!! https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/primary/333/333807.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: might as well get a tokarev. I would if the chambered a modern pistol in that caliber. A glockarev maybe?? Double stack mag, suppressor ready, slide cut for a red dot!! https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/primary/333/333807.jpg That rear sight is calibrated for what, 100 Meters? I filed mine down. |
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Quoted: Definitely sounds like a 7.65 French Longue (AKA 30 Pederson), same diameter, same performance. 7.65 French Longue View Quote |
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Quoted: might as well get a tokarev. View Quote A few years ago 7.62x25 was considerably less than 9mm up here but the only guns you could get were Tokarevs or a Norinco P226. I think it's a neat cartridge (especially if it's cheap) and a real steel framed Sig Sauer or something would be cool. |
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Let me know when the start making the 30 Super Duper carry and Im all in
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