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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:31:57 PM EST
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I have both and I'll take the short action 308 in a pump or lever.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:33:45 PM EST
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For strictly hunting I would probably go with the 06 and I have a heavy barrel 308, but its mainly a target rifle.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:35:01 PM EST
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. A short action .308 only weighs an ounce or two less than a long action 30-06. I think Remington even lists them as the same weight. I just checked Remington lists a .125lbs weight difference between their .243 22" BDL and their 30-06 22" BDL. They didn't have a .308 in that model listed so I went with the .243 even though its smaller bore would make the difference greater. ETA: With the variances in wood density you could end up with a 30-06 lighter than the same model short action .308. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:35:09 PM EST
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I have a 308 and a 300 WM. I don't see that I need a 3006 unless it's in a garand.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:36:46 PM EST
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I my area you will find more 308 ammo than 30-06 ammo on the shelves.
Both will work just fine, if you have a 308 there is no need to go out and get a 30-06 and if you have a 30-06 there is no need to go out and get a 308..... unless you just want to. I have both, but have more 308's |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:40:26 PM EST
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There is nothing native to Texas that a .223 will not kill.
A .308 is enough gun for everywhere but Alaska. You aren't making 800-1,000 yard shots at whitetail, and if you are... get out of the stand and do some stalking! |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:45:29 PM EST
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Is it true for you hand loaders, you can load a 30-06 from .308 levels to .300 Win Mag levels?
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:47:24 PM EST
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Is it true for you hand loaders, you can load a 30-06 from .308 levels to .300 Win Mag levels? Not quite .300 WM levels but the SUPERPERFORMANCE™ loads are pretty fast. 150grn at 3000fps fast. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:47:59 PM EST
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I was wondering, with the .308 being a military round (more availability) and the 30-06 being a hunting round, ammo would be cheaper to plink with.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:50:22 PM EST
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I was wondering, with the .308 being a military round (more availability) and the 30-06 being a hunting round, ammo would be cheaper to plink with. There is still a lot of surplus 30-06 out there and there is cheap steel cased 30-06 around too so it is pretty much a draw on that front. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:52:55 PM EST
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If you handload you can get little more out of the 30-06, otherwise the 308 is inherently more accurate, better for semi auto, short action, and not giving up much in factory to factory ammo. If you want to go subsonic 308 is also better. To me it makes more sense to have a 308 and then jump to a fast twist 300WM that can really launch those 240gr pills.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:56:41 PM EST
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I my area you will find more 308 ammo than 30-06 ammo on the shelves. Both will work just fine, if you have a 308 there is no need to go out and get a 30-06 and if you have a 30-06 there is no need to go out and get a 308..... unless you just want to. I have both, but have more 308's Finally, words of wisdom in the true Arfcomm style. GET BOTH! |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 1:17:38 PM EST
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Is it true for you hand loaders, you can load a 30-06 from .308 levels to .300 Win Mag levels? In an '06 you can hand load into low 300WM levels. My loads are are there... |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 1:45:38 PM EST
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I have a 308 and a 300 WM. I don't see that I need a 3006 unless it's in a garand. 30-06 really is a pointless cartridge. If you feel you need more than a .308, that significant increase begins at .300 WM. Advances in bullet technology really have increased the capability of the .308 with 208-215gr. bullets vs the old 168gr. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 1:51:59 PM EST
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Which of the two calibers, the .308 or the 30-06 as an all purpose hunting rifle caliber? 30-06 is the best all purpose hunting caliber. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:11:45 PM EST
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30-06 really is a pointless cartridge. If you feel you need more than a .308, that significant increase begins at .300 WM. Advances in bullet technology really have increased the capability of the .308 with 208-215gr. bullets vs the old 168gr. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a 308 and a 300 WM. I don't see that I need a 3006 unless it's in a garand. 30-06 really is a pointless cartridge. If you feel you need more than a .308, that significant increase begins at .300 WM. Advances in bullet technology really have increased the capability of the .308 with 208-215gr. bullets vs the old 168gr. To get meaningful velocities with the 200+ grain projectiles in a 308 you need a 28" barrel. The ft-r guys are not shooting less barrel length than that when launching these bigguns. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:14:31 PM EST
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I have a .30-06, but the two rounds are so close ballistically speaking that its a non-issue. With bullet technology the way it is, there isn't any significant difference between the two. If a .30-06 will kill it, which it will if its walking in North America, then the .308 will as well.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:30:47 PM EST
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Is it true for you hand loaders, you can load a 30-06 from .308 levels to .300 Win Mag levels? You can get the '06 to duplicate anything the 308 will do, and then some (except for subs - the 308 wins in that category between the two). You can get to low 300 WM levels if you push the envelope pretty hard. If you want a 300 WM, get a 300 WM. If you want a short action, get a 308. If you want something that can do a little of everything, the '06 is probably the ticket. Really easy to reload for, and it's a good excuse to also get a Garand if you don't have one. You do have a Garand, right? |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:34:08 PM EST
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When I built my hunting rifle, I did it in 30-06. I load 220 Interlocks down to 150s.
The rifle does great at distance with 178s and 208s too. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:50:08 PM EST
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30-06 really is a pointless cartridge. WTF! 30-06 is Murica. Bitch slap yourself. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:52:15 PM EST
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Which is better? This turd or this turd plus 200fps
 6.5 mm or go home. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:52:54 PM EST
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Get both I have 2 Garands and a Ruger bolt action.
The 308 is a savage Target rifle Heavy barrel. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:56:09 PM EST
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30-06 has a large number of factory loadings 308 all things equal shoots a tighter group. I can't imagine it would matter in most circumstances outside of s shooting match This. .308 has better inherent accuracy because of the case geometry. I shoot Palma, so .308 is mandated. But the long range matches I shoot are always open to any NRA target rifle, and usually F Class shooters. They can use any caliber that can throw a bullet 1K with accuracy. I NEVER see a 30:06 on the line. That said, I have killed about 30 elk, some dozens of deer and antelope, moose, bears and sheep with my old 30:06. Hunting accuracy is more than acceptable. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:56:30 PM EST
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Polar Bear and Moose may need a few extra rounds Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. Polar Bear and Moose may need a few extra rounds Grizzly won't roll over from a .308 either |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:05:28 PM EST
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.300 win mag?
it's really the new .30-06 as far as im concerned. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:14:28 PM EST
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.300 win mag? it's really the new .30-06 as far as im concerned. I use 300 win mag for my go to hunting rifle now. It's nice to have a flatter shooting .30 caliber gun when you have to poke out to 300 yards and beyond. The big draw backs to 300 win mag is recoil and need for a premium bullet. I've seen some really shallow wounds with less than stellar bullet weight retention when it came to 300 WM using more traditional 30-06 bullets. Especially quartering shots. The various solid copper bullets on the market are a good fit for the 300 WM. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:17:20 PM EST
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:19:32 PM EST
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.30-06
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:20:41 PM EST
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Both rounds are better when necked down up to 6.5 .358. FIFY |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:22:01 PM EST
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Which of the two calibers, the .308 or the 30-06 as an all purpose hunting rifle caliber? pick either basically the same 99% of the time. but for me 30.06. more available and cheaper than .308 |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:27:44 PM EST
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5. The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:29:54 PM EST
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.308 is slightly more accurate because of case geometry. (you can really see the difference in Benchrest shooting)
30-06 is more versatile. When .22 because scarce as hell around here, I started loading 30-06 w/ round pellets for squirrels and rabbits. Game warden got a kick out of me using an M1 for rabbit hunting. For me, I stick with the 30-06 since my garand is chambered for it. Almost all of my rifles are chambered in 30-06. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:31:58 PM EST
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The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5. The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:34:35 PM EST
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I have both, but of the two the shorter action of .308 is hugely noticeable and better to shoot. This outweighs any other benefits of the 30-06 to me.
FWIW, I would say not to go with either of them and to buy a 300WSM - I rarely shoot .308 or 30-06 anymore. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:37:00 PM EST
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I use 300 win mag for my go to hunting rifle now. It's nice to have a flatter shooting .30 caliber gun when you have to poke out to 300 yards and beyond. The big draw backs to 300 win mag is recoil and need for a premium bullet. I've seen some really shallow wounds with less than stellar bullet weight retention when it came to 300 WM using more traditional 30-06 bullets. Especially quartering shots. The various solid copper bullets on the market are a good fit for the 300 WM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.300 win mag? it's really the new .30-06 as far as im concerned. I use 300 win mag for my go to hunting rifle now. It's nice to have a flatter shooting .30 caliber gun when you have to poke out to 300 yards and beyond. The big draw backs to 300 win mag is recoil and need for a premium bullet. I've seen some really shallow wounds with less than stellar bullet weight retention when it came to 300 WM using more traditional 30-06 bullets. Especially quartering shots. The various solid copper bullets on the market are a good fit for the 300 WM. if you handload, it can do anything the other two can, and more. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:38:52 PM EST
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308
the 30/06 kicks too hard 
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:39:19 PM EST
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. Polar Bear and Moose may need a few extra rounds Grizzly won't roll over from a .308 either Not really, I have a buddy in SW, AK that uses only a .243 Win, to hunt everything and has killed, Musk Ox, Grizzly's, (Polar Bears that invaded the village), Bou, Moose, Beluga whales. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:42:23 PM EST
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. Flatter trajectory also |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:42:41 PM EST
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. This! I've used .308 for over 35 years for hunting |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:43:16 PM EST
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Sig
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:44:44 PM EST
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Flatter trajectory also Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. Flatter trajectory also How does the .308 have a flatter trajectory when it shoots the same bullets as the 30-06 only slower? |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:47:26 PM EST
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Which is a necked down 30-03 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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30-06... Just ask Jack O'Connor...  He was a .270 fan... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Which is a necked down 30-03 ftfy |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:50:20 PM EST
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I have one of each.
Sometimes a different gun for a different situation is better than having an all-rounder. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:52:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. .308 has better inherent accuracy because of the case geometry. I shoot Palma, so .308 is mandated. But the long range matches I shoot are always open to any NRA target rifle, and usually F Class shooters. They can use any caliber that can throw a bullet 1K with accuracy. I NEVER see a 30:06 on the line. That said, I have killed about 30 elk, some dozens of deer and antelope, moose, bears and sheep with my old 30:06. Hunting accuracy is more than acceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 30-06 has a large number of factory loadings 308 all things equal shoots a tighter group. I can't imagine it would matter in most circumstances outside of s shooting match This. .308 has better inherent accuracy because of the case geometry. I shoot Palma, so .308 is mandated. But the long range matches I shoot are always open to any NRA target rifle, and usually F Class shooters. They can use any caliber that can throw a bullet 1K with accuracy. I NEVER see a 30:06 on the line. That said, I have killed about 30 elk, some dozens of deer and antelope, moose, bears and sheep with my old 30:06. Hunting accuracy is more than acceptable. German Salazar. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:53:07 PM EST
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I have and LOVE the .308 round, but for hunting, 30-06 every day of the week.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:54:19 PM EST
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30-06 really is a pointless cartridge. If you feel you need more than a .308, that significant increase begins at .300 WM. Advances in bullet technology really have increased the capability of the .308 with 208-215gr. bullets vs the old 168gr. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a 308 and a 300 WM. I don't see that I need a 3006 unless it's in a garand. 30-06 really is a pointless cartridge. If you feel you need more than a .308, that significant increase begins at .300 WM. Advances in bullet technology really have increased the capability of the .308 with 208-215gr. bullets vs the old 168gr. Yeah but if you want better performance then a .308 and longer barrel life then a .300 WM the '06 makes sense but only if you reload. Those same advances in 200+ grain bullets gets even better in an '06 but it also gets better in a .300 too. I don't want to switch barrels every 1,500 and that is why I went an '06 on my build. And anyone who says an '06 isn't has accurate as an .308 is just regurgitating what used to be true in the 50 ' s and 60's. Im talking about tactical accuracy since that is the type of shooting that I do. My rifle is submoa accurate out to a grand and was just as accurate as other custom .308s and I had a pretty well known smith comment about it when we we shooting on his property. ... |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:55:11 PM EST
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FTPNI. If you handload, you can load down to 110 gr or up to 220. Mild to monster. Just like 300 Blackout 
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:55:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the .308 have a flatter trajectory when it shoots the same bullets as the 30-06 only slower? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. Flatter trajectory also How does the .308 have a flatter trajectory when it shoots the same bullets as the 30-06 only slower? I think more '06 offerings are loaded down to be safe in M1s. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:57:47 PM EST
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I want a cheap -06 with a factory box magazine, irons, and a 22" barrel for the truck. Such rifles don't exist.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 3:58:19 PM EST
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Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5. The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. If I'm going to get all Euro queer'd up and trudge though the forest with elves, ferries, and whatever other weird European shit you have in your woods. It's going to be with a combination gun with two 14 bore barrels over a 9.3x74R and I'm going to be hunting capercaillie and Red stag. You're doing it wrong if you use anything else
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