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Quoted: Local mall has a no gun policy after several high profile shootings. Cop buddy is CCW with his family at the mall. Walks by the armed, private security with a K9 and it alerts on him. Security guy confronts buddy about possibly being armed. Confirms he is LE and lets him resume his mall stroll. View Quote Trying to find a photo of a nazi soldier with a dog keeping everyone safe but striking out. It would be appropriate here. Someday I hope my children will be sniffed by dogs as they go about their daily business. |
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Quoted: Riverchase Galleria? fun fact, that Black Friday shootout a couple years ago, my family and I were about 10 minutes from being in the middle of it. If we had went into one more store and not left when we did... View Quote I left Centennial Park about 20-minutes earlier from the bomb blast. |
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Quoted: Do you know the effective distance of that equipment? About a decade ago, I went to an interactive museum that had a thermal scanner with live feed for guests to try. My pistol was very obvious from ten feet or so. I wondered if a thermal blanket would defeat it, but never went back to test it. View Quote IR can't penetrate glass. |
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Quoted: Gun powder is not an explosive therefore not a tracer the test detects. Try some Pyrodex powder next time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Too bad I'm not a cop, I'd like to protect my family too. Irrelevant tangent: I can't tell you how many times TSA swabbed my laptop with the explosives test and never got a positive, despite the fact it was saturated with gun powder from my reloading bench. Gun powder is not an explosive therefore not a tracer the test detects. Try some Pyrodex powder next time. Smokeless powder is most certainly an explosive, secondary explosive to be exact. It can be detonated, though you’d want to use a booster to ensure complete detonation. Double based smokeless powder has both nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine. Triple based propellants also contain nitroguanidine, also a secondary explosive. |
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Quoted: Is it though? It isn’t exactly a private home. View Quote This is true. I've long felt opening businesses to the public to make a profit means volunteering some of your controls/rights just as working for an employer means you can't stand on your desk and speak your opinion freely, (without consequence). Howeva...... In this case consider: -They have armed security. (Yeah, they likely don't care about protecting your family, but this will be their reply). -Simple possession doesn't jam you up, legally, you're asked to leave. -Sadly, exercising your rights doesn't make you a protected class, you are asked to leave, you cannot claim discrimination. In theory, business owners should be allowed to serve who they want to, no exceptions (not reality, of course). -You aren't required to shop there. (I, for one, do not.) I understand the hypocrisy given the bake a cake bit, but here we are. |
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Quoted: Smokeless powder is most certainly an explosive, secondary explosive to be exact. It can be detonated, though you’d want to use a booster to ensure complete detonation. Double based smokeless powder has both nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine. Triple based propellants also contain nitroguanidine, also a secondary explosive. View Quote It's a propellant that burns, the rate of that burn is less than explosive material, therefore does not qualify it as an explosive. Just because some components may be nitroglycerine does not make it an explosive compound. The chamber of a firearm would rupture if gun powder exploded, but it doesn't, it burns and accelerates the bullet out the barrel. Pyrodex is more explosive than gunpowder used in cartridges. |
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I am curious what would happen if you denied carrying and refused to "prove it".
Probably be asked to leave. |
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Quoted: While the special treatment is certainly an issue, I think the point of this particular post was that (1) they’re sniffing us out and (2) “concealed means concealed” may not always work. View Quote True, but in this case if the mall cop asks if I’m armed my answer is “nope, have a good day” |
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Quoted: Some years back my dad emptied his carry gun the old fashioned way before tossing it in the safe and going to the airport for a flight (he virtually never flies). He set off the residue alarm at the airport and got searched. View Quote This happened to my dad before a flight to Germany and they held him up to the point he missed his flight. |
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Quoted: Don't know how accurate the info is, but I had a TSA gun case checker/swabber tell me their swabs won't turn purple for unburned smokeless powder. Like they could rub right over a pile of fresh 2400 and it won't do anything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Too bad I'm not a cop, I'd like to protect my family too. Irrelevant tangent: I can't tell you how many times TSA swabbed my laptop with the explosives test and never got a positive, despite the fact it was saturated with gun powder from my reloading bench. Don't know how accurate the info is, but I had a TSA gun case checker/swabber tell me their swabs won't turn purple for unburned smokeless powder. Like they could rub right over a pile of fresh 2400 and it won't do anything. Makes sense, but I thought they were trying to stop live bombs from being boarded on the plane. |
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Quoted: yep. thats all they can do, ask you to leave. note to self: steer clear of cop dogs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Cop gets to carry in mall off duty. I carry in mall and probably get told to leave or worse. Lol yep. thats all they can do, ask you to leave. note to self: steer clear of cop dogs. I don’t believe this story because of the last thing you said. How close did he walk to an officer with a canine for the dog to sniff out a concealed firearm that could have been spotless and clean. I don’t believe this story one bit. It’s just dumb. Or op’s cop friend is just an attention whore who makes up stories like this just so people will have a conversation with him in the lead role. |
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Thanks for the Info. I can now safely refuse to go to the Riverchase Galleria.
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Quoted: Just like all the Broward County sheriff officers. https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. We also get to make more than $35k a year. So look on the bright side. Just like all the Broward County sheriff officers. https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/ |
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Quoted: Do you know the effective distance of that equipment? About a decade ago, I went to an interactive museum that had a thermal scanner with live feed for guests to try. My pistol was very obvious from ten feet or so. I wondered if a thermal blanket would defeat it, but never went back to test it. View Quote The video I saw was basically your standard entry way into a stadium, store or shopping mall. |
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Cops life is more valuable than any other law abiding citizen.
Got it. |
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This thread is great if only for the butthurt. People going out of their way to get offended.
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Quoted: Local mall has a no gun policy after several high profile shootings. Cop buddy is CCW with his family at the mall. Walks by the armed, private security with a K9 and it alerts on him. Security guy confronts buddy about possibly being armed. Confirms he is LE and lets him resume his mall stroll. View Quote If a mall is so bad that they need that level of security on the inside, I bet the parking lots located OUTSIDE are a candy store for criminals. Another reason to avoid that place, regardless of whether you are armed. |
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Quoted: Private businesses will do what private businesses do. You’ll be denied entry or asked to leave. It’s pretty simple. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: A non-police K9 alerting on me? Hahaha you and your dog better back the fuck up. Private businesses will do what private businesses do. You’ll be denied entry or asked to leave. It’s pretty simple. I don't see how they can Violate the 2nd Amendment but Can't Deny people the Right to Shop based on Sex, Color, Religion or National Origin. |
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Quoted: one of many reasons i refuse to set foot in there. is was going pure ghetto trash long before the moron got smoked and the protests started. if they need armed roving patrols with gun sniffing dogs.... my family doesn't need to be there. View Quote It's funny to me that every "local" person knew the exact location I was referring to without having to say it. |
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Quoted: If a mall is so bad that they need that level of security on the inside, I bet the parking lots located OUTSIDE are a candy store for criminals. Another reason to avoid that place, regardless of whether you are armed. View Quote Local SWAT team would patrol the lots in unmarked vehicles during the holidays. |
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Quoted: I wonder what it is, specifically, that the dogs hit on. Is it the smokeless powder residue? Primer residue? Gun oil? It would be fun to have one of those metal AMEX cards (or any other similar decoy...pocket knife, nail clippers, keys, you name it), expose it to whatever it is the dogs hit on, and then troll 'em in the mall. View Quote Seems like a LOT of weird stuff would get hits. I've never had a K9 but worked with them quite a bit. Detecting guns or gunpowder was never a thing. |
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Everytime we pass through bham the wife and kids want to stop at 2nd and Charles. I'm not a fan of that area.
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Quoted: I would think certain garments would take care of that. ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I participated in a webinar recently on venue security. The thermal scanning tech, they can see your gun. I would think certain garments would take care of that. ? Ask Drizzt if you can use piwafwi |
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Put gunpowder on $10 in quarters. Drop them in visible areas where people will pick them up entering the mall. Watch and enjoy.
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes That’s great.
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Quoted: Riverchase Galleria? fun fact, that Black Friday shootout a couple years ago, my family and I were about 10 minutes from being in the middle of it. If we had went into one more store and not left when we did... View Quote I think that you are confusing 2 separate events. The one on Black Friday was where 2 people got Shot and the Soldier Want to Be ran around the mall waiving a gun and got capped by the Mall Cops. There was another event in July of last year where 2 gangs of Black Youths had a shoot out that left a little boy dead. I know this is the mall that Bama is talking about because it's the only one in Alabama that uses Gun Sniffing Dogs. |
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Quoted: If a mall is so bad that they need that level of security on the inside, I bet the parking lots located OUTSIDE are a candy store for criminals. Another reason to avoid that place, regardless of whether you are armed. View Quote I believe there was a shooting outside and a couple robberies in the last year or two. |
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