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Posted: 8/11/2020 12:37:28 PM EST
[#1]
I don't know the actual numbers, but when you have (I'm not sure) as many assholes in spy agencies as Infantry divisions, you don't have a free country anymore.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 12:40:42 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m good with this. Put the LE agencies back where the were pre-DHS, let the FBI absorb ATF and DEA. A single, all powerful federal police force? Like in third world countries? What could possibly go wrong! |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 12:47:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DHS is literally redundant and pointless. It was a reaction to govt security agencies not coordinating as much as legally possible in the run up to 9/11, but doesn’t include the two main agencies that failed at the time, the FBI and CIA.  DHS is largely responsible for enforcement of immigration and customs laws (CBP at the border, ICE on the interior, and USCIS for immigration benefits). Other major components include USSS, TSA, FPS, and USCG. Please tell me what other agencies outside of DHS do those things. While I agree it is a massive and bureaucratic department, it is hardly redundant. Pointless is a matter of opinion. If you want open borders then I suppose DHS is pointless. Coordination with other agencies has been resolved. Hell, that consumes half my work day. You don’t need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to improve coordination. Just talk to each other. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 12:59:01 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ITT: Absolute fucking walnuts think when the ACLU says "dissolve Dept Homeland Security" they mean organize CBP/ICE/USCG the way it was before instead of getting rid of them completely  Nobody thinks that
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:02:29 PM EST
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I’m conflicted, ACLU are commies but I wouldn’t mind getting rid of a few agencies like this and the ATF DHS isn't an agency. It is a Department that is comprised of numerous agencies including the US Secret Service, Coast Guard, ICE, CBP/Border Patrol, and many others. BATFE isn't part of DHS. It is part of the Department of Justice. I guess you're fine with getting rid of ICE, Border Patrol, and Coast Guard, among numerous other agencies. Like you already said, that idea fits right in line with exactly what the communists want. No more protection/security for the president or the White House, open borders, free movement of illegal and all other aliens into, around, and all over the US as well as ability to openly work at every job they want with no fear of deportation ever, and no Coast Guard to patrol the coasts. Good luck with that, Comrade. 
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:14:54 PM EST
[#6]
Homeland Security is a good name just like, the patriot act, the affordable care act, black lives matter, planned parenthood, the hero act etc. It's all bullshit.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:17:49 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, DHS has alot under it, Secret Service, Border Patrol/CBP, Coast Guard. Without those, we would have open borders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are good with OPEN BORDERS ? EVERY border jumper getting citizenship and voting rights? You want communism in America? This is how you get it. Exactly, DHS has alot under it, Secret Service, Border Patrol/CBP, Coast Guard. Without those, we would have open borders. Yep Once again we see that a communist front operation like the ACLU managed to easily dupe ARFCOM "small govt. conservatives" into supporting their efforts. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:33:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody thinks that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ITT: Absolute fucking walnuts think when the ACLU says "dissolve Dept Homeland Security" they mean organize CBP/ICE/USCG the way it was before instead of getting rid of them completely Nobody thinks that They pretty obviously do, or else they wouldn't be saying it was a good thing
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:42:40 PM EST
[#9]
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:46:22 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They pretty obviously do, or else they wouldn't be saying it was a good thing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ITT: Absolute fucking walnuts think when the ACLU says "dissolve Dept Homeland Security" they mean organize CBP/ICE/USCG the way it was before instead of getting rid of them completely Nobody thinks that They pretty obviously do, or else they wouldn't be saying it was a good thing Reduction of government IS a good thing. Agreeing that it needs to be reduced doesn't mean you support the methods or the goals of the people suggesting it |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:52:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DHS is largely responsible for enforcement of immigration and customs laws (CBP at the border, ICE on the interior, and USCIS for immigration benefits). Other major components include USSS, TSA, FPS, and USCG. Please tell me what other agencies outside of DHS do those things. While I agree it is a massive and bureaucratic department, it is hardly redundant. Pointless is a matter of opinion. If you want open borders then I suppose DHS is pointless. Coordination with other agencies has been resolved. Hell, that consumes half my work day. You don’t need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to improve coordination. Just talk to each other. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DHS is literally redundant and pointless. It was a reaction to govt security agencies not coordinating as much as legally possible in the run up to 9/11, but doesn’t include the two main agencies that failed at the time, the FBI and CIA. DHS is largely responsible for enforcement of immigration and customs laws (CBP at the border, ICE on the interior, and USCIS for immigration benefits). Other major components include USSS, TSA, FPS, and USCG. Please tell me what other agencies outside of DHS do those things. While I agree it is a massive and bureaucratic department, it is hardly redundant. Pointless is a matter of opinion. If you want open borders then I suppose DHS is pointless. Coordination with other agencies has been resolved. Hell, that consumes half my work day. You don’t need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to improve coordination. Just talk to each other. Put all of those agencies back where they came from, DOJ, Treasury, etc. Then you fire the thousands of SES positions making $170,000 who do nothing at all with titles like "Deputy Assistant Executive Director of...." |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 1:52:40 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reduction of government IS a good thing. Agreeing that it needs to be reduced doesn't mean you support the methods or the goals of the people suggesting it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ITT: Absolute fucking walnuts think when the ACLU says "dissolve Dept Homeland Security" they mean organize CBP/ICE/USCG the way it was before instead of getting rid of them completely Nobody thinks that They pretty obviously do, or else they wouldn't be saying it was a good thing Reduction of government IS a good thing. Agreeing that it needs to be reduced doesn't mean you support the methods or the goals of the people suggesting it I'm not saying the people here support it, I'm saying they're too stupid to see that's what the ACLU's actual goal is here. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 2:02:34 PM EST
[#13]
So I'm going to guess that DHS is making some real progress identifying and arresting some of the Marxist agitators better known as the Antifags.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 2:19:06 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are good with OPEN BORDERS ? EVERY border jumper getting citizenship and voting rights? You want communism in America? This is how you get it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm good with it. You are good with OPEN BORDERS ? EVERY border jumper getting citizenship and voting rights? You want communism in America? This is how you get it. No waaay? We didn’t have any of those things before 2001? Learn something new every day. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 3:14:54 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of those agencies existed long before DHS. All adding DHS did was create thousands of needless SES positions and more Executive Deputy Assistant Directors and other stupid titles to all of the agencies underneath it. Most of the agencies would just go back to DOJ and Treasury Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For once I agree with those commie bastards. Privatize Touch Some Arse. You agree with getting rid of the Coast Guard, ICE, Border Patrol, INS, USSS? The mindless autistic screeching of some of these “dismantle DHS” types is beyond laughable and shows an absolute ignorance as to what DHS does and to even what agencies are in it. Most of those agencies existed long before DHS. All adding DHS did was create thousands of needless SES positions and more Executive Deputy Assistant Directors and other stupid titles to all of the agencies underneath it. Most of the agencies would just go back to DOJ and Treasury Lol. Thousands of SES positions |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 3:16:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Thousands of SES positions DHS had a huge ass complex built for it, I believe "liberty crossing" was the name in NOVA. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 3:18:01 PM EST
[#17]
I'm calling for all Instathots to line up in front of my house and blow me two at a time.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 3:32:00 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: DHS had a huge ass complex built for it, I believe "liberty crossing" was the name in NOVA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol. Thousands of SES positions DHS had a huge ass complex built for it, I believe "liberty crossing" was the name in NOVA. There's thousands of SES in the entire gov. About 600-700 are in DHS. DOJ has more, with about half the total employees. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 3:38:33 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's thousands of SES in the entire gov. About 600-700 are in DHS. DOJ has more, with about half the total employees. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol. Thousands of SES positions DHS had a huge ass complex built for it, I believe "liberty crossing" was the name in NOVA. There's thousands of SES in the entire gov. About 600-700 are in DHS. DOJ has more, with about half the total employees. DHS is really good at creating branch chief positions and other such BS to reassign many of their turds. Witness FLETC Glynco, where so many are tucked away in charge of imaginary programs. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 3:40:19 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: DHS is really good at creating branch chief positions and other such BS to reassign many of their turds. Witness FLETC Glynco, where so many are tucked away in charge of imaginary programs. Isn't that just government in general  Hi, I'm Dave, Chief of polar bear population control for the southwest region 
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Posted: 8/11/2020 3:45:37 PM EST
[#21]
Obviously in this thread, a little known fact is that Department of Homeland Security Investigations, better known as the HSI, or the former ICE Investigations, is the lead LE agency for human trafficking / child trafficking / child sex trafficking and everything related to kiddie porn. Guess we don't need to enforce those laws, either.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:02:13 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously in this thread, a little known fact is that Department of Homeland Security Investigations, better known as the HSI, or the former ICE Investigations, is the lead LE agency for human trafficking / child trafficking / child sex trafficking and everything related to kiddie porn. Guess we don't need to enforce those laws, either. I was in DRO in my 1st LE job in Tucson. We shared offices with the 1811s as well as USCIS. The 1811s there did jack. We raided stash houses with them and they had no clue how to process aliens once they took them into custody. I remember helping one of them after they arrested an alien with a firearm, and he could not recall whether federal firearms violations fell under title 8 or title 18. Granted, it wasn’t the agency that made them suck, it was their desire to screw around all day that made them suck. That said, for every turd ICE/HSI agent I personally know, there are 2-3 good ones. The agency rebrands itself every Tuesday and branches out into a new enforcement category every Wednesday. They don’t need to be abolished. They need to refocus. I worked a child porn case with them about 10 years ago and their agent was actually awesome. The case was horrendous and made me want to hurt people in the worst way. I was glad to have a partner on the case who did such a good job and we secured a conviction. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:10:01 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was in DRO in my 1st LE job in Tucson. We shared offices with the 1811s as well as USCIS. The 1811s there did jack. We raided stash houses with them and they had no clue how to process aliens once they took them into custody. I remember helping one of them after they arrested an alien with a firearm, and he could not recall whether federal firearms violations fell under title 8 or title 18. Granted, it wasn't the agency that made them suck, it was their desire to screw around all day that made them suck. That said, for every turd ICE/HSI agent I personally know, there are 2-3 good ones. The agency rebrands itself every Tuesday and branches out into a new enforcement category every Wednesday. They don't need to be abolished. They need to refocus. I worked a child porn case with them about 10 years ago and their agent was actually awesome. The case was horrendous and made me want to hurt people in the worst way. I was glad to have a partner on the case who did such a good job and we secured a conviction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obviously in this thread, a little known fact is that Department of Homeland Security Investigations, better known as the HSI, or the former ICE Investigations, is the lead LE agency for human trafficking / child trafficking / child sex trafficking and everything related to kiddie porn. Guess we don't need to enforce those laws, either. I was in DRO in my 1st LE job in Tucson. We shared offices with the 1811s as well as USCIS. The 1811s there did jack. We raided stash houses with them and they had no clue how to process aliens once they took them into custody. I remember helping one of them after they arrested an alien with a firearm, and he could not recall whether federal firearms violations fell under title 8 or title 18. Granted, it wasn't the agency that made them suck, it was their desire to screw around all day that made them suck. That said, for every turd ICE/HSI agent I personally know, there are 2-3 good ones. The agency rebrands itself every Tuesday and branches out into a new enforcement category every Wednesday. They don't need to be abolished. They need to refocus. I worked a child porn case with them about 10 years ago and their agent was actually awesome. The case was horrendous and made me want to hurt people in the worst way. I was glad to have a partner on the case who did such a good job and we secured a conviction. ICE 1811s still don't know how to process aliens.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:13:47 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: DHS is largely responsible for enforcement of immigration and customs laws (CBP at the border, ICE on the interior, and USCIS for immigration benefits). Other major components include USSS, TSA, FPS, and USCG. Please tell me what other agencies outside of DHS do those things. While I agree it is a massive and bureaucratic department, it is hardly redundant. Pointless is a matter of opinion. If you want open borders then I suppose DHS is pointless. Coordination with other agencies has been resolved. Hell, that consumes half my work day. You don’t need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to improve coordination. Just talk to each other. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DHS is literally redundant and pointless. It was a reaction to govt security agencies not coordinating as much as legally possible in the run up to 9/11, but doesn’t include the two main agencies that failed at the time, the FBI and CIA. DHS is largely responsible for enforcement of immigration and customs laws (CBP at the border, ICE on the interior, and USCIS for immigration benefits). Other major components include USSS, TSA, FPS, and USCG. Please tell me what other agencies outside of DHS do those things. While I agree it is a massive and bureaucratic department, it is hardly redundant. Pointless is a matter of opinion. If you want open borders then I suppose DHS is pointless. Coordination with other agencies has been resolved. Hell, that consumes half my work day. You don’t need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to improve coordination. Just talk to each other. All of those agencies and duties existed before DHS and would exist if DHS was dismantled. "DHS" is just additional administrative overhead. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:19:44 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Thousands of SES positions Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For once I agree with those commie bastards. Privatize Touch Some Arse. You agree with getting rid of the Coast Guard, ICE, Border Patrol, INS, USSS? The mindless autistic screeching of some of these “dismantle DHS” types is beyond laughable and shows an absolute ignorance as to what DHS does and to even what agencies are in it. Most of those agencies existed long before DHS. All adding DHS did was create thousands of needless SES positions and more Executive Deputy Assistant Directors and other stupid titles to all of the agencies underneath it. Most of the agencies would just go back to DOJ and Treasury Lol. Thousands of SES positions You're right its probably just 1 thousand, I exaggerated slightly. And hundreds of GS-14/15s in all kinds of made up shops that only exist in Department level bureaucracy |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:20:48 PM EST
[#26]
You would want to see the Border Patrol and Secret Service dissolved? OK
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:23:54 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You agree with getting rid of the Coast Guard, ICE, Border Patrol, INS, USSS? INS has been gone since DHS was created. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:24:37 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I call for the dismantling of the ACLU? Seconded. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:32:42 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a bingo! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only reason the ACLU wants to disband DHS is to end all border and immigration enforcement. That's a bingo! To our libertarians on the board, that's a feature, not a bug. Morons. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:33:26 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just wish the ACLU supported the 2nd amendment as enthusiastically as they support the 1st. If they did their numbers would be epic. So you believe that the ACLU actually cares about the Civil Rights of Americans. That's hilarious. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:34:47 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m good with this. Put the LE agencies back where the were pre-DHS, let the FBI absorb ATF and DEA. The FBI SHOULD be split up...Its been land grabbing missions its got little bandwidth to do. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:39:04 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's thousands of SES in the entire gov. About 600-700 are in DHS. DOJ has more, with about half the total employees. That's WAY too many. SES positions should be capped by statute, with a requirement of no fewer than 400 GS or 4000 contractor direct support positions per SES. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:40:17 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: we secured a conviction. Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:42:46 PM EST
[#34]
Fine by me.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:43:11 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Homeland Security is a good name just like, the patriot act, the affordable care act, black lives matter, planned parenthood, the hero act etc. It's all bullshit. DHS was brought about at the same time and by the same person who gave us the single most freedom and constitution damaging legislation ever signed. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:45:06 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF is under the DOJ, not DHS. I thought that everything was under DHS. DOJ, CIA, Pentagon, they all report to the DHS, no? One Appointee to Rule Them All! |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:54:09 PM EST
[#37]
I would bet very few of them know the ATF is part of DHS.
That being said, do they take specific use donations, because this is a just and good cause... |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:55:06 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would bet very few of them know the ATF is part of DHS. That being said, do they take specific use donations, because this is a just and good cause... If you support open borders, you're not a conservative, or a patriot. Prove me wrong. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:57:15 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's WAY too many. SES positions should be capped by statute, with a requirement of no fewer than 400 GS or 4000 contractor direct support positions per SES. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's thousands of SES in the entire gov. About 600-700 are in DHS. DOJ has more, with about half the total employees. That's WAY too many. SES positions should be capped by statute, with a requirement of no fewer than 400 GS or 4000 contractor direct support positions per SES. I could get down with that. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 4:58:22 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would bet very few of them know the ATF is part of DHS. Uhhhhhhhhhh |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:07:26 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I could get down with that. The Screechjet Ticket has that and more, to include the ever popular "chain gun every long-liner in the EEZ" plank. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:10:39 PM EST
[#42]
The ATF is DOJ.
Not DHS. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:12:58 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don’t get the end game. So fine you replace the police in major cities and screw up the current systems in place that would give you power. Americans already owned a shit ton of guns, and that was 8 months ago. Do they honestly believe the brown shirt shit will fly outside of the major population zones? Do you really think all they have out in the sticks are bird guns and six shooters? Don’t get me wrong I get what the commies want. But it’s like they’ve spent 100 years getting to the tipping point but then just can’t hold their wad any longer. Neuter law enforcement at all levels, chaos ensues, citizens protect themselves, the Leftist courts prosecute citizens for defending themselves and the people beg Government for police. The new Secretariat for State Security obliges. Most people here end up in the gulag for crimes against the State. We’ve seen this movie before. Yeah, I know, I’m a crazy conspiracy theorist.., TC |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:14:25 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put all of those agencies back where they came from, DOJ, Treasury, etc. Then you fire the thousands of SES positions making $170,000 who do nothing at all with titles like "Deputy Assistant Executive Director of...." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: DHS is literally redundant and pointless. It was a reaction to govt security agencies not coordinating as much as legally possible in the run up to 9/11, but doesn’t include the two main agencies that failed at the time, the FBI and CIA. DHS is largely responsible for enforcement of immigration and customs laws (CBP at the border, ICE on the interior, and USCIS for immigration benefits). Other major components include USSS, TSA, FPS, and USCG. Please tell me what other agencies outside of DHS do those things. While I agree it is a massive and bureaucratic department, it is hardly redundant. Pointless is a matter of opinion. If you want open borders then I suppose DHS is pointless. Coordination with other agencies has been resolved. Hell, that consumes half my work day. You don’t need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to improve coordination. Just talk to each other. Put all of those agencies back where they came from, DOJ, Treasury, etc. Then you fire the thousands of SES positions making $170,000 who do nothing at all with titles like "Deputy Assistant Executive Director of...." Yeah...it was totally more efficient to have all separate agencies with redundant chains of command, HR, and procurement. The complainers have no clue what they are even discussing. |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:15:42 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes they will. Most people will comply cause they still support the police even though the semi non partisan police have been dismantled and replaced with leftists partisan police. So the conservatives will still think the cops are "just doing their jobs". And, those partisan ranks will be filled with NFAC and MS13 members. Read Bracken. He is a sooth-sayer. TC |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:19:20 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you support open borders, you're not a conservative, or a patriot. Prove me wrong. I support open borders.....patrolled 24/7 by A-10s, predators, and global hawks. Make it kinda like “The Running Man”. 
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:26:31 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah...it was totally more efficient to have all separate agencies with redundant chains of command, HR, and procurement. The complainers have no clue what they are even discussing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: DHS is literally redundant and pointless. It was a reaction to govt security agencies not coordinating as much as legally possible in the run up to 9/11, but doesn’t include the two main agencies that failed at the time, the FBI and CIA. DHS is largely responsible for enforcement of immigration and customs laws (CBP at the border, ICE on the interior, and USCIS for immigration benefits). Other major components include USSS, TSA, FPS, and USCG. Please tell me what other agencies outside of DHS do those things. While I agree it is a massive and bureaucratic department, it is hardly redundant. Pointless is a matter of opinion. If you want open borders then I suppose DHS is pointless. Coordination with other agencies has been resolved. Hell, that consumes half my work day. You don’t need to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to improve coordination. Just talk to each other. Put all of those agencies back where they came from, DOJ, Treasury, etc. Then you fire the thousands of SES positions making $170,000 who do nothing at all with titles like "Deputy Assistant Executive Director of...." Yeah...it was totally more efficient to have all separate agencies with redundant chains of command, HR, and procurement. The complainers have no clue what they are even discussing. Haha even in CBP shit still isn't efficient and its all the "same agency" |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:37:37 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I call for the dismantling of the ACLU? |
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:39:26 PM EST
[#49]
I'm kind of okay with that one. I'm not a fan of DHS.
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Posted: 8/11/2020 5:41:44 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm good with it. |
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