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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:03:34 AM EST
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A pregnant woman that wants to kill her fetus will kill her fetus. Abortion goes back as far as written history does. You aren't going to legislate it away anytime soon.
This is honestly an issue that doesn't matter that costs us votes. Get over it. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:03:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By making abortion illegal, wouldn't *WE* be fixing some other person's problems? Specifically a religious/ethical problem that, presumably, doesn't exist for the person that wants the practice illegal? Seriously, how man evangelical Christians have had abortions? Yet, with the exception of a small minority that I've only seen on this board, they make up the majority of the pro-life movement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yay, more unwanted children neglected children who will depend on the government, in or out of prison, their entire life while voting Democrat will be born. The country is saved!!! The problem isn't abortion. It is why people feel their only option is abortion. Address the situation that causes people to feel that way and the number of abortions and unwanted children decline with it. But Republicans don't want to actually solve the problem, they just want to create new legislation and control what people do on an issue they don't understand. Blaming the availability of abortions for the number of abortions is no different than blaming the availability of guns for people killed by guns. In both cases it is the people that are the problem. Fix the problems of the people and the resulting problem is reduced. You are demanding *WE* fix other people's problems. What if they don't want them fixed? Who will pay for all this fixing? You've made statements but haven't even said what the problems that needed fixing are. Care to list them? Care to list the fixes? Will we force the fixes on the people with problems? By making abortion illegal, wouldn't *WE* be fixing some other person's problems? Specifically a religious/ethical problem that, presumably, doesn't exist for the person that wants the practice illegal? Seriously, how man evangelical Christians have had abortions? Yet, with the exception of a small minority that I've only seen on this board, they make up the majority of the pro-life movement. You've lost me, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. People claiming to be Christian have nothing to do with it. I know people who would fit right in on the far left of DU who claim to be Christian. If someone feels it is perfectly acceptable to kill an unborn child inside of them, then making it illegal isn't going to stop them. It is already illegal to use a gun to kill someone, it didn't change anything because the problem is with the person who has already crossed that line in their head before doing it. Just because someone is pro-choice doesn't mean they don't know, understand, or appreciate life. Those people are called sociopaths or psychopaths. For example one female liberal I have to work with is obviously pro-choice, because no one is going to control what she does with her body, but she cries when her cat kills a bird. She understands life and is only sides with the pro-choice movement because she doesn't want male Republicans controlling her body. Just like pro-life gun owners claim to respect life but we would have no qualms and train to quickly put down a home invader intent on harming a family member. Guns are made for killing people, so anyone that owns a gun must desire to kill someone. That is their argument against us. Is it valid? Nope. So claiming they are sociopaths that form no attachment to life and just kill unborn children with no regard, is also not valid. Why do people feel their only option it to kill an unborn child or kill someone that made them angry? In both cases the solution exists with the person carrying out the action, not availability to the object or procedure. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:05:03 AM EST
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The smug look of the Great Unwashed and facial hair of the Low IQ Left, is that a pic of you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. The smug look of the Great Unwashed and facial hair of the Low IQ Left, is that a pic of you? That is a pic of Philip Zimmermann. He created PGP encryption. He released the encryption for free along with its source code. Our federal government considered the encryption software to be a munition, and sought to prosecute him under the Arms Export Control Act. He was not indicted, but he could have spent 4+ years in prison. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:05:11 AM EST
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. +1 This is my argument with conservatives. For the most part abortion is done because of unwanted pregnancy, if we make abortion illegal then more children are going to be born, and those irresponsible parents are still not going to want those children which means a large number of those unwanted children are going to be put up for adoption and rely on social services (government). Now conservatives typically favor smaller government and less people on social services, so it creates a hypocritical situation that usually comes down to some biblical verse that claims when 2 retards have drunken monkey sex, that G-d creates life even when 2 irresponsible idiots are doing stupid irresponsible things. So when I hear conservatives talk about cutting social services yet being anti-abortion that tells me they are hypocrites. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:07:36 AM EST
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I call BS. Abortion should not be used as a mode of "on-demand" birth control with the numerous mechanical and chemical modes of birth control on the market. And, society should not be held liable for the irresponsible decisions of those who continue to bear children whom they cannot financially support themselves, oftentimes, numerous children by numerous yet unnamed fathers, because the breeder wants to play the welfare lives for $ game. Stop allowing abortion except in cases of medical necessity, and females will become more responsible for their conduct. Stop paying incremental welfare to women who cannot support even one child on their own, and they will stop getting knocked up, or, the sperm donors can be held financially responsible, DNA test mandatory. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Abortion should not be used as a mode of "on-demand" birth control with the numerous mechanical and chemical modes of birth control on the market. And, society should not be held liable for the irresponsible decisions of those who continue to bear children whom they cannot financially support themselves, oftentimes, numerous children by numerous yet unnamed fathers, because the breeder wants to play the welfare lives for $ game. Stop allowing abortion except in cases of medical necessity, and females will become more responsible for their conduct. Stop paying incremental welfare to women who cannot support even one child on their own, and they will stop getting knocked up, or, the sperm donors can be held financially responsible, DNA test mandatory. You'd think so, except... The type of woman who use abortion as BC will never "become more responsible." I'll admit that "medical necessity" and "incest/rape" abortions are scarcer than hen's teeth. But, the women who you expect to "become more responsible" will always let a man nut inside them because "he loves her," or "the Church doesn't allow BC," or "it makes him feel like a man," or "it'll keep him around if I get knocked up." I really fucking hate to pull class/racial issues here, because most of them are bullshit and/or a way to skip out on responsibility, but, you'd have more luck rounding up every single illegal immigrant in this nation than you would changing the class/racial/cultural attitudes that I posted excuses for. Keep that shit legal, let the poor and rich girls get the procedure and most likely hate themselves for the rest of their lives, and drive on. Shit really doesn't affect the average GD guy unless they've not raised their daughter right. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:14:03 AM EST
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I will make a prediction, As abortions go down, crime will go up within the next decade. The largest section of the population that gets abortions are poor unmarried Black women. Blacks commit the most crime in this country, and the reason we have been seeing such a steady decline in crime rates is that we are missing generations of criminals. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:15:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But, the women who you expect to "become more responsible" will always let a man nut inside them because "he loves her," or "the Church doesn't allow BC," or "it makes him feel like a man," or "it'll keep him around if I get knocked up." The state of Texas has the largest unwed teenage mother population in the country. Texas happens to be an anti-abortion state. Texas women are sluts. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:15:41 AM EST
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I will make a prediction, As abortions go down, crime will go up within the next decade. The largest section of the population that gets abortions are poor unmarried Black women. Blacks commit the most crime in this country, and the reason we have been seeing such a steady decline in crime rates is that we are missing generations of criminals. Racist! |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:16:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Racist! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I will make a prediction, As abortions go down, crime will go up within the next decade. The largest section of the population that gets abortions are poor unmarried Black women. Blacks commit the most crime in this country, and the reason we have been seeing such a steady decline in crime rates is that we are missing generations of criminals. Racist! |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:16:22 AM EST
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I call BS. Abortion should not be used as a mode of "on-demand" birth control with the numerous mechanical and chemical modes of birth control on the market. And, society should not be held liable for the irresponsible decisions of those who continue to bear children whom they cannot financially support themselves, oftentimes, numerous children by numerous yet unnamed fathers, because the breeder wants to play the welfare lives for $ game. Stop allowing abortion except in cases of medical necessity, and females will become more responsible for their conduct. Stop paying incremential welfare to women who cannot support even one child on their own, and they will stop getting knocked up, or, the sperm donors can be held financially responsible, DNA test mandatory. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Abortion should not be used as a mode of "on-demand" birth control with the numerous mechanical and chemical modes of birth control on the market. And, society should not be held liable for the irresponsible decisions of those who continue to bear children whom they cannot financially support themselves, oftentimes, numerous children by numerous yet unnamed fathers, because the breeder wants to play the welfare lives for $ game. Stop allowing abortion except in cases of medical necessity, and females will become more responsible for their conduct. Stop paying incremential welfare to women who cannot support even one child on their own, and they will stop getting knocked up, or, the sperm donors can be held financially responsible, DNA test mandatory. I had to buy an emergency contraceptive once after a condom failed. I had to show ID to prove that I was over 18. IIRC, that changed a couple of years ago. What if it had been a 17 year old girl that had a condom fail? Should she have been forced to have the baby? Would it be easy for her to work a $9/hour part time job and go to high school? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:16:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd think so, except... The type of woman who use abortion as BC will never "become more responsible." I'll admit that "medical necessity" and "incest/rape" abortions are scarcer than hen's teeth. But, the women who you expect to "become more responsible" will always let a man nut inside them because "he loves her," or "the Church doesn't allow BC," or "it makes him feel like a man," or "it'll keep him around if I get knocked up." I really fucking hate to pull class/racial issues here, because most of them are bullshit and/or a way to skip out on responsibility, but, you'd have more luck rounding up every single illegal immigrant in this nation than you would changing the class/racial/cultural attitudes that I posted excuses for. Keep that shit legal, let the poor and rich girls get the procedure and most likely hate themselves for the rest of their lives, and drive on. Shit really doesn't affect the average GD guy unless they've not raised their daughter right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Abortion should not be used as a mode of "on-demand" birth control with the numerous mechanical and chemical modes of birth control on the market. And, society should not be held liable for the irresponsible decisions of those who continue to bear children whom they cannot financially support themselves, oftentimes, numerous children by numerous yet unnamed fathers, because the breeder wants to play the welfare lives for $ game. Stop allowing abortion except in cases of medical necessity, and females will become more responsible for their conduct. Stop paying incremental welfare to women who cannot support even one child on their own, and they will stop getting knocked up, or, the sperm donors can be held financially responsible, DNA test mandatory. You'd think so, except... The type of woman who use abortion as BC will never "become more responsible." I'll admit that "medical necessity" and "incest/rape" abortions are scarcer than hen's teeth. But, the women who you expect to "become more responsible" will always let a man nut inside them because "he loves her," or "the Church doesn't allow BC," or "it makes him feel like a man," or "it'll keep him around if I get knocked up." I really fucking hate to pull class/racial issues here, because most of them are bullshit and/or a way to skip out on responsibility, but, you'd have more luck rounding up every single illegal immigrant in this nation than you would changing the class/racial/cultural attitudes that I posted excuses for. Keep that shit legal, let the poor and rich girls get the procedure and most likely hate themselves for the rest of their lives, and drive on. Shit really doesn't affect the average GD guy unless they've not raised their daughter right. But that goes back to Man Prime Rule #1. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:17:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So who does all this hand-holding, and discussing, and probing for underlying causes? You? I hope so, because you kept saying "you" meaning me--and I don't have time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: . You are right that I haven't said what the problems are because we don't know. That's why have to address the issues, figure out what they are, and figure out how to change society so that people don't feel their only option is to kill their unborn child. As with any homicide there isn't just one cause. Multiple factors play into it. Force people to fix things? There you go thinking like the GOPe again. The number of people intentionally getting knocked up and knowing that they will just have an abortion is tiny. Everyone else has ended up in a situation that they would have preferred not to be in. So you have to talk to them, research them, listen to them, and try to understand from their point of view what could have helped, all from an unbiased source. Then you create a solution that will help them. That is all you can do. In some cases it is simply education. In some cases it is birth control, which for some reason causes the GOPe to freak out at even mentioning it. In some cases it is education about the proper way to use birth control. The list of possible causes and possible solutions is much greater than this. But the Republicans will just complain about the abortions and block any attempt to help people. The same can for the accidental deaths by firearms. In some cases it is just education. In others it would be some type of locking device. In some situations it would be education on locking devices. Wasn't there a recent thread on a 3 year old shooting his mother or something? That was completely preventable. The Democrats answer is just to legislate guns out of existence. We say training, gun safety, and some way to secure the gun against a 3 year old. The two things are very similar. The change comes from the people, not by outlawing the object or procedure. So who does all this hand-holding, and discussing, and probing for underlying causes? You? I hope so, because you kept saying "you" meaning me--and I don't have time. Speaking of not having time for BS. Simple Definition of you pronoun one; anyone; people in general: People on this board say that gun safety should be taught in school. Who should take the time to do that and pay for it? Some people don't get the education and training at home. The same goes for sex ed or health class. The GOPe and religious right pushed abstinence only education in some states, which those areas then resulted in the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country. Just more big government telling people what they can or can't do and then not caring about them when they make a mistake. The solution exists with the people involved and education is a big part of that. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:19:13 AM EST
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Speaking of not having time for BS. Simple Definition of you pronoun one; anyone; people in general: People on this board say that gun safety should be taught in school. Who should take the time to do that and pay for it? Some people don't get the education and training at home. The same goes for sex ed or health class. The GOPe and religious right pushed abstinence only education in some states, which those areas then resulted in the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country. Just more big government telling people what they can or can't do and then not caring about them when they make a mistake. The solution exists with the people involved and education is a big part of that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. You are right that I haven't said what the problems are because we don't know. That's why have to address the issues, figure out what they are, and figure out how to change society so that people don't feel their only option is to kill their unborn child. As with any homicide there isn't just one cause. Multiple factors play into it. Force people to fix things? There you go thinking like the GOPe again. The number of people intentionally getting knocked up and knowing that they will just have an abortion is tiny. Everyone else has ended up in a situation that they would have preferred not to be in. So you have to talk to them, research them, listen to them, and try to understand from their point of view what could have helped, all from an unbiased source. Then you create a solution that will help them. That is all you can do. In some cases it is simply education. In some cases it is birth control, which for some reason causes the GOPe to freak out at even mentioning it. In some cases it is education about the proper way to use birth control. The list of possible causes and possible solutions is much greater than this. But the Republicans will just complain about the abortions and block any attempt to help people. The same can for the accidental deaths by firearms. In some cases it is just education. In others it would be some type of locking device. In some situations it would be education on locking devices. Wasn't there a recent thread on a 3 year old shooting his mother or something? That was completely preventable. The Democrats answer is just to legislate guns out of existence. We say training, gun safety, and some way to secure the gun against a 3 year old. The two things are very similar. The change comes from the people, not by outlawing the object or procedure. So who does all this hand-holding, and discussing, and probing for underlying causes? You? I hope so, because you kept saying "you" meaning me--and I don't have time. Speaking of not having time for BS. Simple Definition of you pronoun one; anyone; people in general: People on this board say that gun safety should be taught in school. Who should take the time to do that and pay for it? Some people don't get the education and training at home. The same goes for sex ed or health class. The GOPe and religious right pushed abstinence only education in some states, which those areas then resulted in the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country. Just more big government telling people what they can or can't do and then not caring about them when they make a mistake. The solution exists with the people involved and education is a big part of that. Herp Derp! I don't want government teaching my kids to have orgies or intercourse with animals! They can wait to kiss at their wedding ceremony! |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:20:18 AM EST
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Abortion should not be used as a mode of "on-demand" birth control with the numerous mechanical and chemical modes of birth control on the market. And, society should not be held liable for the irresponsible decisions of those who continue to bear children whom they cannot financially support themselves, oftentimes, numerous children by numerous yet unnamed fathers, because the breeder wants to play the welfare lives for $ game. Stop allowing abortion except in cases of medical necessity, and females will become more responsible for their conduct. Stop paying incremental welfare to women who cannot support even one child on their own, and they will stop getting knocked up, or, the sperm donors can be held financially responsible, DNA test mandatory. You'd think so, except... The type of woman who use abortion as BC will never "become more responsible." I'll admit that "medical necessity" and "incest/rape" abortions are scarcer than hen's teeth. But, the women who you expect to "become more responsible" will always let a man nut inside them because "he loves her," or "the Church doesn't allow BC," or "it makes him feel like a man," or "it'll keep him around if I get knocked up." I really fucking hate to pull class/racial issues here, because most of them are bullshit and/or a way to skip out on responsibility, but, you'd have more luck rounding up every single illegal immigrant in this nation than you would changing the class/racial/cultural attitudes that I posted excuses for. Keep that shit legal, let the poor and rich girls get the procedure and most likely hate themselves for the rest of their lives, and drive on. Shit really doesn't affect the average GD guy unless they've not raised their daughter right. I'd almost call this trolling, because this is the same logic the gun grabbers use, and I don't want to be accused of "personal attacks." Everyone has a personal story for hot button issues, otherwise we'd live in a truely free society. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:21:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Herp Derp! I don't want government teaching my kids to have orgies or intercourse with animals! They can wait to kiss at their wedding ceremony! |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:24:46 AM EST
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Haha, meanwhile Mary-Sue is getting pounded in the back of some lifted Toyota out in the mountains. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Herp Derp! I don't want government teaching my kids to have orgies or intercourse with animals! They can wait to kiss at their wedding ceremony! Seriously, if you think that wasn't happening in the 50's you missed some important social history. Read "The Girls That Went Away." |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:36:34 AM EST
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. No, studies have shown that those with less economic means are less likely to undergo the procedure than those that are well to do. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:23:23 AM EST
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This is a disgusting and unconstitutional assault on women's health and liberty. Truly unconscionable
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:07:25 AM EST
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The state of Texas has the largest unwed teenage mother population in the country. Texas happens to be an anti-abortion state. Texas women are sluts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But, the women who you expect to "become more responsible" will always let a man nut inside them because "he loves her," or "the Church doesn't allow BC," or "it makes him feel like a man," or "it'll keep him around if I get knocked up." The state of Texas has the largest unwed teenage mother population in the country. Texas happens to be an anti-abortion state. Texas women are sluts. Oh my god statistics fail. I swear you guys that do this dumb shit must be trolling. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:09:27 AM EST
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Best news today.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:52:41 AM EST
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No, studies have shown that those with less economic means are less likely to undergo the procedure than those that are well to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. No, studies have shown that those with less economic means are less likely to undergo the procedure than those that are well to do. Those who end up getting barred from it are more likely to experience career stagnation, fall below the poverty line, et cetera. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:26:03 AM EST
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The evangelical right wing zealots are a true plague upon this nation. They strive to bring us back to 1850.
When Hillary takes the oath of office we can point right to those wing nuts for the reason she is there. *shrug* |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:44:35 AM EST
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So, still skipping my main point. Cool, mang. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You quoted wikipedia. I never even bothered to read the wikipedia link until I went looking for where you plagiarized your bullshit from. I quoted Godwin's actual words regarding the topic. Sure, I quoted Wiki. And no, I didn't bother citing, sorry professor. I'll make sure I start including a "Works Cited" page from now on. You're smart enough to know how Godwin's has been applied over the last 25 or so years. Using the Nazis as an example for anything is bullshit. So much bullshit, in fact, that you're arguing on this point instead of the point of "voluntary medical procedure" vs. "mass genocide of people who have exited the womb." Actually, the only people who use Godwin's law that way are people who aren't smart enough to read what he wrote. The fact that describes some people on an internet forum isn't surprising -- but generally when people misuse it they get called on it, just like I'm doing to you. My point about wikipedia is that you ignored the parts of the article that were correct, and cherry-picked out the phrases you wanted to use to try to support your absurd position, assuming I wouldn't know any better and wouldn't figure out in one second where you copied it from. It wasn't very smart. So, still skipping my main point. Cool, mang. Your main point is that a few people on the internet have decided to say "Godwin's law you lose" every time someone references Hitler or the Nazis, therefore you have personally redefined Godwin's law to mean something completely different from what Mike Godwin actually meant and has explained many times over the twenty five years since he said it that he meant, and that the wikipedia article you plagiarized from says in the first actual paragraph of the article, which you ignored in favor of copying over the little blurb about what these people who don't know what it means think. I don't give a fuck about your "main point". |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:40:48 AM EST
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Bigger govt did something some people like. So now it's ok. Bullshit. Here in Florida they've been passing pro gun laws, for example, left and right. Is that "bigger govt"? Criticism of bigger govt is legitimate, but to declare every action "bigger govt" is retarded. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:46:46 AM EST
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:56:39 AM EST
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The one that amazes me are the abortion advocates who object to clinics being required to meet the qualifications of an ambulatory surgical center. You're sticking a variety of instruments into the patient with a possibility of uterine and bowel perforation. They should have to meet the equipment and sanitation standards, plus have admitting privileges nearby in case transfer to a real hospital is required (not just dumping them on the staff physicians, but participating and taking responsibility for the patient's care).
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:00:33 AM EST
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The one that amazes me are the abortion advocates who object to clinics being required to meet the qualifications of an ambulatory surgical center. You're sticking a variety of instruments into the patient with a possibility of uterine and bowel perforation. They should have to meet the equipment and sanitation standards, plus have admitting privileges nearby in case transfer to a real hospital is required (not just dumping them on the staff physicians, but participating and taking responsibility for the patient's care). Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Abortion is the high holy sacrament of the feminist movement. This has nothing to do with medicine, logic, science, or anything else. Abortion is a religious imperative for the liberal left. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:12:00 AM EST
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Just what we need . More Democrats
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:24:25 AM EST
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The evangelical right wing zealots are a true plague upon this nation. They strive to bring us back to 1850. When Hillary takes the oath of office we can point right to those wing nuts for the reason she is there. *shrug* Spoken like a true liberal. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:30:25 AM EST
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. And less crimes due to that also. The original Freakanomics had a section on it. Pretty interesting book and also it's follow-up. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:32:58 AM EST
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I just saw a new one in Atlanta . It was called Bye, bye baby
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:34:49 AM EST
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Because you can't have two good things? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:34:53 AM EST
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Your main point is that a few people on the internet have decided to say "Godwin's law you lose" every time someone references Hitler or the Nazis, therefore you have personally redefined Godwin's law to mean something completely different from what Mike Godwin actually meant and has explained many times over the twenty five years since he said it that he meant, and that the wikipedia article you plagiarized from says in the first actual paragraph of the article, which you ignored in favor of copying over the little blurb about what these people who don't know what it means think. I don't give a fuck about your "main point". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You quoted wikipedia. I never even bothered to read the wikipedia link until I went looking for where you plagiarized your bullshit from. I quoted Godwin's actual words regarding the topic. Sure, I quoted Wiki. And no, I didn't bother citing, sorry professor. I'll make sure I start including a "Works Cited" page from now on. You're smart enough to know how Godwin's has been applied over the last 25 or so years. Using the Nazis as an example for anything is bullshit. So much bullshit, in fact, that you're arguing on this point instead of the point of "voluntary medical procedure" vs. "mass genocide of people who have exited the womb." Actually, the only people who use Godwin's law that way are people who aren't smart enough to read what he wrote. The fact that describes some people on an internet forum isn't surprising -- but generally when people misuse it they get called on it, just like I'm doing to you. My point about wikipedia is that you ignored the parts of the article that were correct, and cherry-picked out the phrases you wanted to use to try to support your absurd position, assuming I wouldn't know any better and wouldn't figure out in one second where you copied it from. It wasn't very smart. So, still skipping my main point. Cool, mang. Your main point is that a few people on the internet have decided to say "Godwin's law you lose" every time someone references Hitler or the Nazis, therefore you have personally redefined Godwin's law to mean something completely different from what Mike Godwin actually meant and has explained many times over the twenty five years since he said it that he meant, and that the wikipedia article you plagiarized from says in the first actual paragraph of the article, which you ignored in favor of copying over the little blurb about what these people who don't know what it means think. I don't give a fuck about your "main point". Argues semantics instead of thr topic. 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:39:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By the way, if you oppose gun violence, you can't whine too much about anti-gun laws, can you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. By the way, if you oppose gun violence, you can't whine too much about anti-gun laws, can you? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:49:42 AM EST
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Abortion access in the U.S. has been vanishing at the fastest annual pace on record, propelled by Republican state lawmakers’ push to legislate the industry out of existence. Since 2011, at least 162 abortion providers have shut or stopped offering the procedure, while just 21 opened. At no time since before 1973, when the U.S. Supreme Court legalized abortion, has a woman’s ability to terminate a pregnancy been more dependent on her zip code or financial resources to travel. The drop-off in providers—more than one every two weeks—occurred in 35 states, in both small towns and big cities that are home to more than 30 million women of reproductive age. No region was exempt, though some states lost more than others. Texas, which in 2013 passed sweeping clinic regulations that are under scrutiny by the Supreme Court, saw the most: at least 30. It was followed by Iowa, with 14, and Michigan, with 13. California’s loss of a dozen providers shows how availability declined, even in states led by Democrats, who tend to be friendly to abortion rights. Stand-alone clinics, not doctors’ offices or hospitals, perform the vast majority of pregnancy terminations. They account for the vast majority of the tally, which was compiled by Bloomberg News over the past three months and builds on a similar undertaking from 2013. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/abortion-clinics-are-closing-at-a-record-pace 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:50:45 AM EST
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What about a one time payment to people without a high school diploma for volunteering to get a vasectomy or sterilized? Freedom of choice. If you dumb enough you can't graduate or dumb enough to take the money, you probably aren't smart enough to raise a child or eight.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:10:13 AM EST
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Hmmmm.......... most folks don't look at it this way. You do have a very valid point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Hmmmm.......... most folks don't look at it this way. You do have a very valid point. Brilliant point, particularly considering the fact that every person who crosses the border, legally or illegally, eventually gets welfare, medical, food stamps, housing and education for their children. And if for some reason they don't qualify, they are coached to claim refugee status, and they will find a "judge" who will allow them to stay on that basis. The net gain on immigration of a parasitic class well more than makes up for all the murdered fetuses in this country over a given period of time. 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:13:07 AM EST
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That's illogical. Financial constraints have never been justification for taking a human life. Preventing one crime does not limit one from complaining about another. You might as well say that if you make theft illegal you can't complain about the welfare the thieves need if they don't have your cash. Besides, they are not being "forced out of business," there is a combination of laws that limit public funding for this private medical procedure and regulations that make abortion clinics rise to the same regulations and standards of any other medical clinic that provides treatments of the same level of invasiveness. If a clinic does not want too meet the same medical standards that every one else has to, then tough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. That's illogical. Financial constraints have never been justification for taking a human life. Preventing one crime does not limit one from complaining about another. You might as well say that if you make theft illegal you can't complain about the welfare the thieves need if they don't have your cash. Besides, they are not being "forced out of business," there is a combination of laws that limit public funding for this private medical procedure and regulations that make abortion clinics rise to the same regulations and standards of any other medical clinic that provides treatments of the same level of invasiveness. If a clinic does not want too meet the same medical standards that every one else has to, then tough. This is incorrect- those are HOSPITAL standards, not outpatient clinic standards. As an example, outpatient clinics in Virginia are not required to meet these standards- they don't have to have eight foot wide hallways, a minimum square footage for every "bed" (which includes recliners used in recovery rooms), and down the list of nitpicky safety requirements that barely make sense in a large hospital. Abortion clinics do. The net result of this is that the small places close and the big places take up the slack. One of the really fucked up abortion clinic stories from a few years ago was from the big corporation that got all the business here in Virginia when the last of the small ones went under. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:17:45 AM EST
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A pregnant woman that wants to kill her fetus will kill her fetus. Abortion goes back as far as written history does. You aren't going to legislate it away anytime soon. This is honestly an issue that doesn't matter that costs us votes. Get over it. I concur. Herbal concoctions, coat hanger procedures, blunt force trauma, all effective ways of "inducing miscarriage" used throughout history. I also can't wait for the artificial womb to be developed. Until that day, I do my damndest to steer women toward adoption if they don't want their babies. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:18:39 AM EST
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If abortion lowered the welfare rate, then why do the welfare rolls continue to grow despite our nation having committed 30,000,000+ abortions since Roe V. Wade? Poor and/or stupid and/or dysfunctional women have babies for welfare money. They also have them because they have sex. They are poor managers of their own lives, so they will absolutely crank out more babies than they intend to. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:22:32 AM EST
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Preventing free exercise of religion. Liberalism.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:23:39 AM EST
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while glad to see a reduction in the amount of babies murdered to ensure sluts are not inconvenienced by their bad decisions, I will simply note that, in my limited experience, those who are the most adamantly pro-abortion are those with the least statistical probability of getting pregnant; horrifically ugly feminists and young men.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:24:32 AM EST
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. because unborn children being killed = lazy welfare leeches 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:25:19 AM EST
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Good.jpeg
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:25:26 AM EST
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If something is legal that makes it moral or ok ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. If something is legal that makes it moral or ok ? If you don't like that it is legal then I suggest you don't get any abortions. It's the same stop liking what I don't like mentality that liberals have with guns. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:28:18 AM EST
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you know how arfom in general likes to bitch and cry about liberals wanting to legislate guns due to their feelings?
how is abortion any different? It's not. it's just the feeling based legislation you like. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:29:10 AM EST
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you know how arfom in general likes to bitch and cry about liberals wanting to legislate guns due to their feelings? how is abortion any different? It's not. it's just the feeling based legislation you like. because the right to bear arms actually is in the constitution and the right to kill inconvenient children isn't. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:29:55 AM EST
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If you don't like that it is legal then I suggest you don't get any abortions. It's the same stop liking what I don't like mentality that liberals have with guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. If something is legal that makes it moral or ok ? If you don't like that it is legal then I suggest you don't get any abortions. It's the same stop liking what I don't like mentality that liberals have with guns. Well, if you don't like theft, I suggest you don't steal, but quit judging those poor disadvantaged youths who take your wallet. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:31:11 AM EST
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And less crimes due to that also. The original Freakanomics had a section on it. Pretty interesting book and also it's follow-up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. And less crimes due to that also. The original Freakanomics had a section on it. Pretty interesting book and also it's follow-up. And thoroughly debunked. It's a nice piece of fiction, but has no real basis in science. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:33:56 AM EST
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while glad to see a reduction in the amount of babies murdered to ensure sluts are not inconvenienced by their bad decisions, I will simply note that, in my limited experience, those who are the most adamantly pro-abortion are those with the least statistical probability of getting pregnant; horrifically ugly feminists and young men. The young men may favor it due to the higher likelihood of them making some stupid life choices that would otherwise leave them on the hook for 18 years of child support or left holding a baby they never wanted. |
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