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Posted: 1/28/2020 1:36:46 PM EDT
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Anyone have concerns with the perception that this is a militia in the making? I believe it’s a great idea for those fit enough to participate but we live in interesting times where perception becomes reality far to easily. Not criticizing, just asking.
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Posted: 1/28/2020 1:44:06 PM EDT
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Anyone have concerns with the perception that this is a militia in the making? I believe it’s a great idea for those fit enough to participate but we live in interesting times where perception becomes reality far to easily. Not criticizing, just asking. The key to combating that perception is openness. If it is kept as a I have a secret club type thing it will garner the negative perception. Already I have seen SM comments about the VABBs and Silent Brigade being a militia when they were in Richmond. I think marching in may have caused that. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 1:49:16 PM EDT
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Anyone have concerns with the perception that this is a militia in the making? I believe it’s a great idea for those fit enough to participate but we live in interesting times where perception becomes reality far to easily. Not criticizing, just asking. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 2:13:59 PM EDT
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Nope. It's a hiking club. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 2:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With guns. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 2:24:46 PM EDT
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Nope. It's a hiking club. The rifles are completely optional and simply an exercise in freedom as well as building community with like minded freedom loving individuals. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:01:53 PM EDT
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One of the hiking club's stated goals is to build community. The rifles are completely optional and simply an exercise in freedom as well as building community with like minded freedom loving individuals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not a reasonable description of what the leadership here is trying to create? Sounds pretty "well regulated" to me. I understand that it is absolutely fatal to be called a "militia" nowadays with all the negative impressions that term is loaded with, but is this organization just going to be a GORUCK competitor or is it trying to be something more? I feel like leadership wants it to be something more than just another "hiking club" but can't seem to properly define it without getting labeled with the "M" word. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:15:54 PM EDT
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"An organization that consists of local and regional communities of members of a like-mind with a certain level of fitness, networking, capability with a rifle, and with proficiency in skills such as amateur radio and first aid, among others." Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not a reasonable description of what the leadership here is trying to create? Sounds pretty "well regulated" to me. I understand that it is absolutely fatal to be called a "militia" nowadays with all the negative impressions that term is loaded with, but is this organization just going to be a GORUCK competitor or is it trying to be something more? I feel like leadership wants it to be something more than just another "hiking club" but can't seem to properly define it without getting labeled with the "M" word. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One of the hiking club's stated goals is to build community. The rifles are completely optional and simply an exercise in freedom as well as building community with like minded freedom loving individuals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not a reasonable description of what the leadership here is trying to create? Sounds pretty "well regulated" to me. I understand that it is absolutely fatal to be called a "militia" nowadays with all the negative impressions that term is loaded with, but is this organization just going to be a GORUCK competitor or is it trying to be something more? I feel like leadership wants it to be something more than just another "hiking club" but can't seem to properly define it without getting labeled with the "M" word. 
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:18:26 PM EDT
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Anyone have concerns with the perception that this is a militia in the making? I believe it’s a great idea for those fit enough to participate but we live in interesting times where perception becomes reality far to easily. Not criticizing, just asking. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:21:38 PM EDT
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I don't think that there's anything that we could collectively do to enhance our readiness in any way that won't eventually be accused of being a "right wing militia" or some other buzzword intended to brand us all as neo-Nazi hicks who are prepping for war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have concerns with the perception that this is a militia in the making? I believe it’s a great idea for those fit enough to participate but we live in interesting times where perception becomes reality far to easily. Not criticizing, just asking. If you go to the gym you're a white supremacist. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:25:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think that there's anything that we could collectively do to enhance our readiness in any way that won't eventually be accused of being a "right wing militia" or some other buzzword intended to brand us all as neo-Nazi hicks who are prepping for war. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:36:58 PM EDT
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Nope. It's a hiking club. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:42:33 PM EDT
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Ultimately, pistol qual standard would be nice. The FBI standard would be my recommendation.
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:46:51 PM EDT
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not on hikes in FL; no open carry here (except under limited exceptions that don't apply to hiking) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. It's a hiking club. 
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:48:50 PM EDT
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I'm not sure if this has been covered or not...Is there a formula for appropriate rate of speed with snowshoes? Or to allow for steepness of terrain? I've started hiking the Adk High Peaks and figured my upcoming hikes could count somehow.
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:58:58 PM EDT
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I don't think that there's anything that we could collectively do to enhance our readiness in any way that won't eventually be accused of being a "right wing militia" or some other buzzword intended to brand us all as neo-Nazi hicks who are prepping for war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have concerns with the perception that this is a militia in the making? I believe it’s a great idea for those fit enough to participate but we live in interesting times where perception becomes reality far to easily. Not criticizing, just asking. But I don't think we're there, yet, where we need such drastic measures. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:59:49 PM EDT
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Love it and the concept.
I'll also offer that orienteering would likely be a great fit as well. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 5:34:17 PM EDT
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@mc556
You had a question about ranges near Greenville, SC that conduct NRA/CMP Highpower. I posted a list of some I know in your SC BB thread. Posted here just for more visibility. SC BB |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 7:39:33 PM EDT
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Yep. It’s time to laugh off the bullshit labels the left slings our way. That’s the worst possible reason to not participate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/28/2020 10:35:20 PM EDT
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Is there a central place to report qualifying people/events? For now: if you've done a hike and not posted about it in one of the three main ABB threads (this one, #NBB, and the call to all ABB), please feel free to PM me with the date and screennames (or just who organized it and the number that attended, whatever floats your boat). (VBBs, you're already covered). Moving forward, feel free to PM me with future hikes for now (again, VBB, I got you fam...) Ben's out of pocket for a bit, but will catch him up and we'll move forward on better tracking that won't be a full roster for our hiking club (maybe just states and numbers publicly for now - because honestly it warms my tiny little heart and is inspiring - then a secure list with screennames and/or organizer POCs until incorporated and legal has a say on it.) |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 10:43:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I HOPE Ben is keeping track, we'll have our first official hike for the I'llAnnoy boys this coming weekend.... |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 11:25:31 PM EDT
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Anyone have concerns with the perception that this is a militia in the making? I believe it’s a great idea for those fit enough to participate but we live in interesting times where perception becomes reality far to easily. Not criticizing, just asking. |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 8:53:00 PM EDT
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Pardon me for asking a dumb question, but in 3.d.1.a you list Navy, Army, and Marine PT tests as equivalent for the level. Is there a reason you excluded Air Force from it?
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Posted: 1/29/2020 9:36:21 PM EDT
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Pardon me for asking a dumb question, but in 3.d.1.a you list Navy, Army, and Marine PT tests as equivalent for the level. Is there a reason you excluded Air Force from it? USAF standards |
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Posted: 1/30/2020 11:55:00 PM EDT
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Pardon me for asking a dumb question, but in 3.d.1.a you list Navy, Army, and Marine PT tests as equivalent for the level. Is there a reason you excluded Air Force from it? USAF standards  Thats awesome . . .
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Posted: 1/31/2020 1:40:58 PM EDT
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Awesome! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/31/2020 2:09:52 PM EDT
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The Southern Indiana bois have our first hike tomorrow. I’ll have screen name/alt ID of all who meet the standard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/31/2020 3:25:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Southern Indiana bois have our first hike tomorrow. I’ll have screen name/alt ID of all who meet the standard. Link |
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Posted: 1/31/2020 5:02:17 PM EDT
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Northern/Central Illinois crew has our first “official” hike on Sunday. Weather looks great. Check out the Illinois HTF for details if you might be interested.
ETA:LINK now that I'm on my laptop |
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Posted: 1/31/2020 8:01:12 PM EDT
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Pardon me for asking a dumb question, but in 3.d.1.a you list Navy, Army, and Marine PT tests as equivalent for the level. Is there a reason you excluded Air Force from it? |
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Posted: 1/31/2020 11:29:00 PM EDT
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Because we're using military fitness tests.
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Posted: 1/31/2020 11:40:26 PM EDT
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Because we're using military fitness tests. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pardon me for asking a dumb question, but in 3.d.1.a you list Navy, Army, and Marine PT tests as equivalent for the level. Is there a reason you excluded Air Force from it? |
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Posted: 1/31/2020 11:43:08 PM EDT
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Is there a website or is someone working on one?
I would like to share this with some friends but don't want to send them to a GD thread. |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 7:37:02 AM EDT
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Is there a website or is someone working on one? I would like to share this with some friends but don't want to send them to a GD thread. |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 9:07:47 PM EDT
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Did 3.1mi in 54:18 w/40lbs today. Unfortunately I only got one guy to go with me. But it's a start.
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Posted: 2/1/2020 9:53:46 PM EDT
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The union will hear about this. The boys at the golf club will be most unamused. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pardon me for asking a dumb question, but in 3.d.1.a you list Navy, Army, and Marine PT tests as equivalent for the level. Is there a reason you excluded Air Force from it? 
My nephew is currently in the Farce. He just graduated from Air Assault School at Campbell. He was sweating the 12 mile ruck march.
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Posted: 2/2/2020 7:05:16 PM EDT
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Trying to get a 3 mile or 6 mile ruck toward 3rd class Battle Buddy in February
in the State of Alabama. https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/Battle-Buddies--Wanna-try-/31-640490/&page=1&anc=7051797#i7051797 |
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Posted: 2/2/2020 8:42:00 PM EDT
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Awesome! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/4/2020 8:31:56 PM EDT
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Pardon me for asking a dumb question, but in 3.d.1.a you list Navy, Army, and Marine PT tests as equivalent for the level. Is there a reason you excluded Air Force from it? |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 8:34:01 PM EDT
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If you asked a question, sent me a PM, or an email, in the last week or so- please forgive me. I've been out of service somewhere isolated due to work, and came back to 1800+ missed PMs and emails from ARFCOM alone. Sorry if I don't reach back to you individually...I'll try and play catchup.
Big update to this thread OP in next few days. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 8:47:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The USAF test (scoring value individually of the run, pushups, and situps aside) is wonky in that a big part of the score is predicated on your body composition (four scored categories instead of three like everyone else). There is no reason we need to make this even more complicated-especially when we start getting into "well I don't appear to be fat when you pinch my skin, so I get extra points despite being skinny fat and unable to effectively do X". |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 8:55:12 PM EDT
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If you asked a question, sent me a PM, or an email, in the last week or so- please forgive me. I've been out of service somewhere isolated due to work, and came back to 1800+ missed PMs and emails from ARFCOM alone. Sorry if I don't reach back to you individually...I'll try and play catchup. Big update to this thread OP in next few days. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 8:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have a pinch test, only a waist size. That is easy to measure. One thing that makes it odd with scoring is you can meet the mins in every category but still not pass the test. The other metrics are pretty standard. The reason the USAF put that in the test is due to a direct relationship between waist size and heart disease. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:02:01 PM EDT
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You don't have a pinch test, only a waist size. That is easy to measure. One thing that makes it odd with scoring is you can meet the mins in every category but still not pass the test. The other metrics are pretty standard. The reason the USAF put that in the test is due to a direct relationship between waist size and heart disease. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The USAF test (scoring value individually of the run, pushups, and situps aside) is wonky in that a big part of the score is predicated on your body composition (four scored categories instead of three like everyone else). There is no reason we need to make this even more complicated-especially when we start getting into "well I don't appear to be fat when you pinch my skin, so I get extra points despite being skinny fat and unable to effectively do X". I'd figure passing is passing. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:09:20 PM EDT
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Time for delegation, bro. That's a nightmare. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you asked a question, sent me a PM, or an email, in the last week or so- please forgive me. I've been out of service somewhere isolated due to work, and came back to 1800+ missed PMs and emails from ARFCOM alone. Sorry if I don't reach back to you individually...I'll try and play catchup. Big update to this thread OP in next few days. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:14:38 PM EDT
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That's weird. I'd figure passing is passing. I see most people fail because they don't train their weaknesses. It actually makes sense. Take a look at the chart and do the math in your head, could you pass it? I retired with a 100 score but I can't do it anymore. I would be around 82-85. Most fails happen to kids two years out of basic training. They get to their duty station with a >90 score (basic training fitness) and don't have to test for 2 years. After 2 years of doing nothing they are marshmallows and fail to score 75. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is so distance runners can't pass just using the run or weight lifters pass just on pushups. But still give some leeway so people of varied skills still pass. A guy that runs a 9 min 1.5 mile still has to make the min push-ups even if his total score is above 75. I see most people fail because they don't train their weaknesses. It actually makes sense. Take a look at the chart and do the math in your head, could you pass it? I retired with a 100 score but I can't do it anymore. I would be around 82-85. Most fails happen to kids two years out of basic training. They get to their duty station with a >90 score (basic training fitness) and don't have to test for 2 years. After 2 years of doing nothing they are marshmallows and fail to score 75. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:27:01 PM EDT
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It is so distance runners can't pass just using the run or weight lifters pass just on pushups. But still give some leeway so people of varied skills still pass. A guy that runs a 9 min 1.5 mile still has to make the min push-ups even if his total score is above 75. I see most people fail because they don't train their weaknesses. It actually makes sense. Take a look at the chart and do the math in your head, could you pass it? I retired with a 100 score but I can't do it anymore. I would be around 82-85. Most fails happen to kids two years out of basic training. They get to their duty station with a >90 score (basic training fitness) and don't have to test for 2 years. After 2 years of doing nothing they are marshmallows and fail to score 75. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's weird. I'd figure passing is passing. I see most people fail because they don't train their weaknesses. It actually makes sense. Take a look at the chart and do the math in your head, could you pass it? I retired with a 100 score but I can't do it anymore. I would be around 82-85. Most fails happen to kids two years out of basic training. They get to their duty station with a >90 score (basic training fitness) and don't have to test for 2 years. After 2 years of doing nothing they are marshmallows and fail to score 75. (Old distance runner) I haven't kept up on my sit ups (used to be a stud there) and NEVER really worked on pushups. (Even at peak, I just didn't train my upper body other than small weights to drive the arms) I get your point. I failed pushups and situps in the Navy test, but can still rock low 8 minute miles as a pack a day smoker. I'm working on it. Gets me every year at CWE with the obstacles largely being upper body strength based. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:34:49 PM EDT
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@Ben what are your thoughts about allowing achievement of Rifleman score at an Appleseed event to qualify for 2nd class/1st Class? If verified by an Appleseed instructor, of course. The course of fire is modeled after NRA high-power course of fire. This is because a big part of it is learning to shoot in the wind- at 100 and less yard ranges, wind has so little effect that people don't really need to read and adjust for it at all. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:37:35 PM EDT
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How the heck do I find places to hike while geared out? I might have some people interested when it warms up, but I don’t even know where to go. |
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