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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:24:30 PM EST

[#1]

No.

Posted: 7/31/2012 4:29:48 PM EST

[#2]

No.

Posted: 7/31/2012 4:35:48 PM EST

[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nope.

I just wish Glock made a G19-sized pistol in .45 ACP.

Not sure if serious.......

G36 is almost identical in size. Round count is kind of low, but I still carry it with confidence.

What about the g30

Posted: 7/31/2012 4:36:58 PM EST

[#4]

Quoted:
No.

first post.

Posted: 7/31/2012 4:57:25 PM EST

[#5]

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Just hold a .45 acp next to a 9mm round and draw your own conclusions. Same thing with a .223 next to a .308.

What about a .45 acp next to the .308?

Shit, the .32 acp is .309" in diameter... it must be better than the little .308.

And what about .45 acp next to the .308 round? Take a look for yourself. Look at that humongous case volume full of gun powder behind the bullet compared to the .45 acp. Also, look at the length of the barrels they're shot through. Look at the difference in what it does to things when shot.

Worlds apart.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:05:51 PM EST

[#6]

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Just hold a .45 acp next to a 9mm round and draw your own conclusions. Same thing with a .223 next to a .308.

What about a .45 acp next to the .308?

Shit, the .32 acp is .309" in diameter... it must be better than the little .308.

And what about .45 acp next to the .308 round? Take a look for yourself. Look at that humongous case volume full of gun powder behind the bullet compared to the .45 acp. Also, look at the length of the barrels they're shot through. Look at the difference in what it does to things when shot.

Worlds apart.

Yep. There's more in the equation than the diameter of the bullet.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:08:20 PM EST

[#7]

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Yep. There's more in the equation than the diameter of the bullet.

Exactly. So look at how much bigger a .45 acp round looks next to a 9mm round.

You guys comparing the diameter of the bullet and saying look at how little difference there is are the 9mm fanbois.

9mm is cheaper to shoot. 9mm allows for a smaller gun. 9mm allows for higher magazine capacity. These things are true. But don't go kidding yourself that 9mm = .45 acp ballistically.

Then there is the "oh well, with today's bullet technology, it's leveled the playing field." Well, those same bullet technologies are used in .45 acp to make like 1" holes.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:13:44 PM EST

[#8]

Uh yep.

I'd prefer .45 GAP or the ACP...

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:14:53 PM EST

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Yep. There's more in the equation than the diameter of the bullet.

Exactly. So look at how much bigger a .45 acp round looks next to a 9mm round.

You guys comparing the diameter of the bullet and saying look at how little difference there is are the 9mm fanbois.

9mm is cheaper to shoot. 9mm allows for a smaller gun. 9mm allows for higher magazine capacity. These things are true. But don't go kidding yourself that 9mm = .45 acp ballistically.

Looks mean nothing.
Look at the kinetic energy, mag capacities and penetration.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:15:21 PM EST

[#10]

No, but I do believe that 9MM is slightly under rated when used in conjunction with modern JHPs. most pistol rounds, including 9MM, 40 S&W and .45 ACP are equally (sucky) fight stoppers.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:16:10 PM EST

[#11]

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Looks mean nothing.
Look at the kinetic energy, mag capacities and penetration.

If looks mean nothing, then we wouldn't need our eyes.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:17:35 PM EST

[#12]

10mm is best millimeter

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:19:55 PM EST

[#13]

Quoted:
10mm is best millimeter

I beg to differ. 30 is

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:20:51 PM EST

[#14]

Quoted:
Nope.

I just wish Glock made a G19-sized pistol in .45 ACP.

G30SF

True perfection.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:21:32 PM EST

[#15]

NO
it's my favorite handgun round

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:25:23 PM EST

[#16]

Quoted:

No, but I do believe that 9MM is slightly under rated when used in conjunction with modern JHPs. most pistol rounds, including 9MM, 40 S&W and .45 ACP are equally (sucky) fight stoppers.

Yep.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:25:55 PM EST

[#17]

Quoted:
10mm is best millimeter

This

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:27:46 PM EST

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Yep. There's more in the equation than the diameter of the bullet.

Exactly. So look at how much bigger a .45 acp round looks next to a 9mm round.

You guys comparing the diameter of the bullet and saying look at how little difference there is are the 9mm fanbois.

9mm is cheaper to shoot. 9mm allows for a smaller gun. 9mm allows for higher magazine capacity. These things are true. But don't go kidding yourself that 9mm = .45 acp ballistically.

Then there is the "oh well, with today's bullet technology, it's leveled the playing field." Well, those same bullet technologies are used in .45 acp to make like 1" holes.

Look at what takes an opponent out of a fight. It's not a half inch of anything. 9mm being cheaper is probably the biggest advantage in this debate. Skills mater much more than bullet weight or diameter, unless your groups on a realistic moving target are less than .5 inches.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:33:29 PM EST

[#19]

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10mm is best millimeter

I beg to differ. 30 is

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/photos/a10_cannon_front.jpg

Glock 21SF and 30mm say "sup"

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:34:55 PM EST

[#20]

Quoted:

No.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:41:18 PM EST

[#21]

I like how flat .357 sig shoots and how hard .45 hits. .45 is a good bone crusher.

Although my 357 holds 21 rounds, I hardly feel out gunned with 16 .45's on tap.

I've never owned a 9mm and only shot them twice, so I'll withhold my comments on the 9.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:43:42 PM EST

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

10mm is best millimeter

I beg to differ. 30 is

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/photos/a10_cannon_front.jpg

Glock 21SF and 30mm say "sup"

http://oi49.tinypic.com/15bts1.jpg

Which one is faster from concealment into the credit card ;P

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:44:20 PM EST

[#23]

These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:49:04 PM EST

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
10mm is best millimeter

I beg to differ. 30 is

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/photos/a10_cannon_front.jpg

Glock 21SF and 30mm say "sup"

http://oi49.tinypic.com/15bts1.jpg

Which one is faster from concealment into the credit card ;P

Sadly, neither.

The G21 doesn't get shot near enough. I keep thinking of trading it in for a G34 but then I scrounge up enough to shoot it, and the damn thing always amazes me how quick and accurate that big-honker can be. It doesn't matter how bad my draw and grip is, that thing just groups like I am poking holes in the target with a long stick. VERY forgiving pistol. The transition from my 9mm Glocks is so direct, that there really isn't a need to shoot it ofter though I suppose.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:49:53 PM EST

[#25]

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:52:09 PM EST

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

what do you do when the 1911 fails to go into battery, or is just having a case of the Mondays?

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:54:28 PM EST

[#27]

I should start doing a Great Sarnak style skit when one of these threads pops up.

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:58:47 PM EST

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

I don't understand... you say the handgun service calibers are equal and in the same post say that choosing one over the other is more important than magazine capacity.

Posted: 7/31/2012 6:01:10 PM EST

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

what do you do when the 1911 fails to go into battery, or is just having a case of the Mondays?

I sing "kumbaya" in a soothing voice.

Posted: 7/31/2012 6:10:40 PM EST

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

what do you do when the 1911 fails to go into battery, or is just having a case of the Mondays?

I don't know. I guess I'll have to get back to you when it happens. I really need to reevaluate how reliable the 1911 platform is. I guess I'm doing something wrong since I have owned several (more than a dozen) and have problems out of none of them. Guess there might be something to the whole "maintenance" thing.

A couple better questions would be:

What would you do if your the trigger on your Glock didn't feel like a squirt gun?
How would you act if your Glock actually shot tight groups?

Last but not least, How would you feel if you could actually comment on your Glock's looks? Not treat it like the fat girl you went home with and are embarrassed that your friends may see you with.

Of course I am just giving you shit since I own both. The G-lock has been dead nuts reliable. I just prefer the 1911.

Posted: 7/31/2012 6:12:35 PM EST

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

what do you do when the 1911 fails to go into battery, or is just having a case of the Mondays?

I don't know. I guess I'll have to get back to you when it happens. I really need to reevaluate how reliable the 1911 platform is. I guess I'm doing something wrong since I have owned several (more than a dozen) and have problems out of none of them. Guess there might be something to the whole "maintenance" thing.

A couple better questions would be:

What would you do if your the trigger on your Glock didn't feel like a squirt gun?
How would you act if your Glock actually shot tight groups?

Last but not least, How would you feel if you could actually comment on your Glock's looks? Not treat it like the fat girl you went home with and are embarrassed that your friends may see you with.

Of course I am just giving you shit since I own both. The G-lock has been dead nuts reliable. I just prefer the 1911.

BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL

Posted: 7/31/2012 6:15:57 PM EST

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

what do you do when the 1911 fails to go into battery, or is just having a case of the Mondays?

I don't know. I guess I'll have to get back to you when it happens. I really need to reevaluate how reliable the 1911 platform is. I guess I'm doing something wrong since I have owned several (more than a dozen) and have problems out of none of them. Guess there might be something to the whole "maintenance" thing.

A couple better questions would be:

What would you do if your the trigger on your Glock didn't feel like a squirt gun?
How would you act if your Glock actually shot tight groups?

Last but not least, How would you feel if you could actually comment on your Glock's looks? Not treat it like the fat girl you went home with and are embarrassed that your friends may see you with.

Of course I am just giving you shit since I own both. The G-lock has been dead nuts reliable. I just prefer the 1911.

BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL

That is hilarious! Thanks for the laugh. My son, who signs on the dotted line with the Marines on Monday, is getting a kick out of this. He loves the 1911, but swears his SHTF gun would be a Glock. I have failed as a father.

Posted: 7/31/2012 6:17:10 PM EST

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

what do you do when the 1911 fails to go into battery, or is just having a case of the Mondays?

I don't know. I guess I'll have to get back to you when it happens. I really need to reevaluate how reliable the 1911 platform is. I guess I'm doing something wrong since I have owned several (more than a dozen) and have problems out of none of them. Guess there might be something to the whole "maintenance" thing.

A couple better questions would be:

What would you do if your the trigger on your Glock didn't feel like a squirt gun?
How would you act if your Glock actually shot tight groups?

Last but not least, How would you feel if you could actually comment on your Glock's looks? Not treat it like the fat girl you went home with and are embarrassed that your friends may see you with.

Of course I am just giving you shit since I own both. The G-lock has been dead nuts reliable. I just prefer the 1911.

BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL

That is hilarious! Thanks for the laugh. My son, who signs on the dotted line with the Marines on Monday, is getting a kick out of this. He loves the 1911, but swears his SHTF gun would be a Glock. I have failed as a father.

I'll have my first 1911 by the end of the year. Probably going Colt Rail Gun in all stainless, unless I can find a new S70 repro.

Posted: 7/31/2012 6:19:25 PM EST

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These threads are always amusing.

Test after test and gunfight after gunfight has proven that service calibers are roughly equal.

The truth, this man speaks it.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. At the end of the day you/we are asking a lot out of a little piece of lead moving slowly.

Rifle>Handgun
.45>9mm
1911>Glock

Anything else?

what do you do when the 1911 fails to go into battery, or is just having a case of the Mondays?

I don't know. I guess I'll have to get back to you when it happens. I really need to reevaluate how reliable the 1911 platform is. I guess I'm doing something wrong since I have owned several (more than a dozen) and have problems out of none of them. Guess there might be something to the whole "maintenance" thing.

A couple better questions would be:

What would you do if your the trigger on your Glock didn't feel like a squirt gun?
How would you act if your Glock actually shot tight groups?

Last but not least, How would you feel if you could actually comment on your Glock's looks? Not treat it like the fat girl you went home with and are embarrassed that your friends may see you with.

Of course I am just giving you shit since I own both. The G-lock has been dead nuts reliable. I just prefer the 1911.

BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL

That is hilarious! Thanks for the laugh. My son, who signs on the dotted line with the Marines on Monday, is getting a kick out of this. He loves the 1911, but swears his SHTF gun would be a Glock. I have failed as a father.

I'll have my first 1911 by the end of the year. Probably going Colt Rail Gun in all stainless, unless I can find a new S70 repro.

Very Nice! I have been thinking about a Rail Gun for a while.

Sorry about the hijack OP.

Posted: 8/1/2012 8:49:30 PM EST

[#35]

Quoted:

the US Marines are placing a 22 million dollar order for 1911s

coming back home at last

For FMJ (like the military uses) it'll be better for making larger holes, but when you are talking about modern JHP ammo like Winchester Ranger T-Series, Federal HST, Speer Gold Dots, etc the difference is not as large and I'd say the 9mm's extra capacity, less recoil, and cheaper training costs win over the .45's slightly larger expanded diameter.

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