I know more about Rhodesia/Zimbabwe & Zambia more than South Africa specifically the Apartheid era. I know it was basically segregation but I only got bits of what you would hear in the Western media..How much of what most of what we've been told about Apartheid was true and how much was fiction?

Despite the racist societal model, South Africans (black and white) were safer under Apartheid. (the later part of that sentence is a direct quote from a native African)

Black people went nuts and started killing white folks.

Whites were killing the blacks left and right just for looking at them wrong. Much like Police today in the USA.

That's what I've read on Reddit at least. *shrug*

TDLR. The whites controlled Africa. Country was profitable and fruitful, made money and things were somewhat safe. Mandela was freed, blacks took over, killed the whites who hadn't left, country is in disarray.
 

My wife was born and raised in Johannesburg, South Africa, in a wealthy white suburb called Houghton. She lived in a huge mansion with a pool and a tennis court, and eight foot walls around the entire home. They had black servants who lived with them, cooked and cleaned for them. They lived in a run down, leaky little house in a remote part of the back yard, cut off from the rest of the house.

The black servants used to steal anything not nailed down, so she became used to locking her bedroom door, and keeping her own room clean. In the kitchen, cupboards were locked as well, because they would steal sugar to make booze, and steal meat to eat as well. But they did prepare food for them, and looked after my wife as well. There was a mentally ill boy next door, who once tried to lure my wife away from the yard, and it was the family servants that protected her from him and chased him off.

Blacks had to be off the streets by six PM in the cities, they could be arrested for anything, including not carrying their passbooks. They were routinely beaten or shot for any reason or no reason at all. My wife's mother often had to go bail them out for minor infractions, and while there, the police treated her mother like shit. South Africa was a police state, make no mistake. Blacks were treated terribly, but whites could  face the wrath of the government as well.

Growing up, there wasn't much TV there. They allowed some shows like the Brady Bunch, The Love Boat and everyone loved Dallas. Much of television was broadcast in Afrikaans, so if you didn't learn to speak Afrikaans, you were going to miss out on a lot.

My wife was very fond of the blacks who served them. She used to eat out in the back yard with them, often preferring the tribal food they made for themselves to the food they prepared for her family. When their gardener Sampson got sick, my wife's family paid for his hospital care. It turned out he was diabetic. And his family came visiting in the hospital and brought him a 2 liter of Coke. It was hopeless, they couldn't get them to understand what it meant to be diabetic. Poor Sampson did not last long.

My wife said the blacks there tended to be very close to the families they served, and they had worked out their plan for when the revolution came. Since  they could never hurt the families they served, they would instead go kill their neighbors, and the neighbor's would come over to kill their family. The whites there lived in constant fear of being wiped out by the blacks, and that is why they continued to support the apartheid regime.

My wife went to a Catholic school where they taught against apartheid, but it was an all white school. By the time she was sixteen, the mood in the country had become so dangerous, they decided to leave the country. They sold their home and moved to the US.

Looking back, she says the abuse and torture the blacks of South Africa endured was appalling, and she is surprised there was no revolution. In 1994 when FW DeKlerk finally dismantled apartheid, she expected mass retaliations. And for sure, there have been retaliations, but not on the level she expected. The bloody revolution never came. But the whites are now suffering a slower death by a thousand cuts, as crime has spiraled out of control. My wife's sister, who still lives in Johannesburg, lives in a home surrounded by walls, in a neighborhood again surrounded by walls, with armed guards at every entrance. Home invasions are common, and when they come it isn't just to steal. They rape and then murder as well. The bloody revolution is here, it's just in slow motion, one family at a time.

Blacks offered to work for lesser wages than whites. White unions used the coercive force of the state to enact minimum wage laws which eliminated the ability of blacks to be economically competitive. The rest is history.

Apartheid went beyond just segregation. For example, it  created mini-nations within South Africa for black South Africans. Actually, they weren't considered South Africans. They were required to have passports. It was an ugly system that created the ANC.

Much of the situation is still in existence today. Cape Town is a perfect example. Costal Cape Town is very upscale, touristy, and affluent. The inner parts of the city, generally referred to as "townships" are wrought with crime, and extremely dangerous. Some are friendly to tourists, most are not. There is still a lot of racial tension in SA, and parts of it are still very "Wild West".

Overall, not a great place to be. White or black.

Men crave freedom over safety. If I lived under apartheid, I'd have to revolt.

I imagine if black people came and took over my Normandy, and treated whites like Afrikaaners treated blacks, I'd need to kill them all including their children and expel them from my land. Even if it meant regressing to tribal Gaul style huts and intervillage fighting.

It was a terrible, unsustainable system and it was doomed to fail. Whites living in RSA now are reaping the harvest their ancestors sewed. Not morally but actually.

The blacks in RSA haven't been there as long as the whites.

so you support reparations?

No. Why would I do something stupid like that?

We are starting to see a twisted version of it slowly taking hold in the USA.

Tyranny by the combined minorities.

It's refreshing to get an opinion from someone who knows what they are talking about. Thank you

A solid read.



http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.com/2012/04/entire-opening-pandoras-apartheid-box.html

There's a lesson here for people who want to import labor.

GTFO with your common sense.

One of my corporals in my tank company was from RSA.  His father was born in Rhodesia and served in their army until Robert Mugabe was elected and things started looking shitty for whitey.  He up and moved to RSA, and lived there until the end of apartheid.  At that point, his dad said "fuck it" (again), and moved his family to Salmon ID.  Hopefully, Idaho doesn't revert to black rule, or he'll have to displace to a whiter place.

The corporal said the crime "back home" was really bad, and made visiting what few relatives he had over there difficult at best.  

He was assigned to our Motor-T section, and one of the best Marines I ever had-hard working and didn't need supervision.  No wonder his people prospered in Suid Afrika.

Absolutely God damned right.

A family friend Is and lives in South Africa........ He was former SWAPOLTIN/Koevoet during the bush war....He's a humble man and not hateful towards others not like him! I can't convince him to move! He loves his country!

With that said.... Lots of former SADF/SWATF guys and families live in Flemming Island, Florida... Interesting fellows!

LoL.

Awesome.

our young men and women  need to be doing the work that Mexicans and other illegals are doing
No illegals or other foreign alternatives would mean business would have to pay enough to,


get those jobs filled


 

I cut grass and raked leaves for money starting at 8 years old



I don't see any American kids cutting grass or raking leaves

Business interests are almost as big a threat to this country as hostile nation states, or terror organizations like Al Qaeda and ISIS.  They want that cheap labor no matter what the price, and they'll pay big bucks to the ruling elite to make it happen.

In the meantime, our nation's Euro-centric values are being diluted and will ultimately be destroyed as whites become the minority.  These "new Americans" will be taught that the white middle class is at fault for their poverty because of the shit wages they're trying to live on.

Take a guess what happens next.

Those who trade freedom for security deserve neither.

It was safer in Iraq under Saddam as well.

One of my range supervisors was a retired SA Police Chief Superintendent.  He came over after '94, he often shared stories.  He said a lot of fucked-up treatment of the blacks happened, but at the same time he said that if they didn't have draconian measures in place crime would have been out of control.  He was Jewish, and told me it was very similar to conditions he'd seen when visiting Israel.  The Israelis treat the Arabs harshly, like shit, and it's hard to tell if removing all the inequalities would have any positive effects.

He said he took his family to the States in the 90's because at best it was going to be like every other african nation--an inefficent, corrupt,  crime-ridden shithole--and at worst the whites were going to be slaughtered en masse like in the Congo in the sixties.

This outta be good.

Antero: thanks very much for sharing your wife's experiences growing up there.   It fits other stories I have heard from people from South Africa.

I  will add:  President Mandela was given life sentences for supporting and heading the African National Congress (ANC).

The ANC had an armed, largely terrorist wing inside South Africa and in neighboring countries (Umkhonto we Sizwe)

The SA government offered to release Mandela IF he would renounce ANC violence.  

Mandela refused.  Mandela believed in armed, violent, struggle.  That is a fact which many statists, globalists, and leftists do not want to aknowledge, nor do they want you to know it.

One more fact about the ANC during Apartheid: Mandelas second in command was a devout white Marxist named Joe Slovo.  He later became part of the government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Slovo

It is one thing to justly oppose Apartheid - that was the right thing to do.  It is another thing altogether to advocate Marxism - something many in the ANC have done.

Solid? The chapter headings look at home on Stormfront.

And the American left-especially academia-loved it.  

Grand apartheid.  Most people are familiar with petty apartheid, which was the stuff more akin to our Jim Crow laws, although they took it further.  Grand apartheid is debatable.  Clearly, given the massive civilizational gap and the presence of radicalism and nationalism among the black population, harmony under one state is, at best, questionable.  If one accepts that premise, then the goal of dividing the country into multiple states on such grounds is not necessarily some evil or bad thing.

The ANC and similar organizations were created due to broader circumstances, including the spread of communist influence across the empire of the Western powers.  The ANC would have come into being even without apartheid, like ZANU and ZAPU came into being in Rhodesia, which did not practice apartheid and which even initially, and also later on, had no racial discrimination in qualifications for suffrage (there was a period in-between where they had A rolls and B rolls, with blacks predominantly being on the latter).

Sorry, I thought this was a Stefan Molyneux thread

Well, when the Dutch arrived there was hardly anybody there but a few scattered bushmen (which seem to get along better with the whites than the other blacks, as I recall).  As they spread north and the various African tribes spread south (some had migrated from as far north as what is now Kenya), they ended up clashing.  Once Western states were fully realized in southern Africa, a lot more blacks from elsewhere came in as immigrants, millions of them, typically for economic and standard-of-living reasons, and the higher standards and more advanced technology resulted in an African population boom which made the whites very much a minority in the country they founded.  Unfortunately, Afrikaaner nationalism drove things in a bad direction, although maintaining settler rule was not one of those things, but rather a necessity to have any sort of high civilizational standard.  That sort of thing prevailed regardless of the presence of apartheid or its absence.  But without digressing too much more, it wasn't some Normandy-style invasion, but colonization of largely unoccupied land combined with expansion by both blacks and Europeans on timeframes that would inevitably result in conflict.

And petty apartheid did not justify the killing of children or other people.  That same reasoning can be used to justify American blacks going Nat Turner on everyone, or the BLM killings today.

And the ironic thing in all of this is that petty apartheid is gone, but in the net South Africa is far less free under majority rule than it was under settler rule, but that has been the norm throughout Africa.

Instead of being steadfast and even throwing countries like Rhodesia under the bus to give themselves a few more years, they should have maintained settler rule with a qualified franchise that at least gave the potential for some Africans to participate and eliminated apartheid.

Someone actually posted a good video here once which had interviews with black Rhodesian soldiers.  A lot of them hated communism.  Over 80% of Rhodesian Security Forces were black.  All blacks in the service were volunteers, as only whites, Asians, and coloureds (what we call mulattoes, quadroons, octoons, etc.) were subject to conscription.

Yep I liked that. Thank you.

I was actually amazed by the immigration numbers for the RSA.  Makes the Mexican problem here seem trifling in comparison.

Sadly, her opponent wants to let a lot of them in as well, and just wants to make those here illegally have to go back for a time as a condition of being here legally.

\Unfortunately, Western opposition to apartheid in foreign policy meant supporting the communists.  If it comes down to supporting one or the other, apartheid wins in my mind, no question.  Better a Western SA than a socialist shithole in the communist orbit.  Of course, the Left were the driving force against apartheid and most of them probably longed for the latter to arrive here.

Mine do. I know it's fewer and further apart now. But I'm damn sure trying to do my part and install the proper values in them.

Wrong country

 

Then and Now.
Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it....................  

This.

The current black population in RSA are not natives.  They are imports, just like the white population.  The natives were slaughtered by everyone years ago.

We did have a family friend who lost her life a few years ago due to a break in on her farm. They raped her and beat her to death.

SA does have a huge xenophobia issue right now and has had for some time.