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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:50:05 PM EST
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Fuck if I know. Apparently you do though.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Why would anyone care what you laugh at? I just find the whole Johnny has better toys than I do thing in these threads funny from adults. Some really get irritated. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:50:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just searched your post history. Lotta hate for the tac side of the house, you're obviously on the job and you're on a gun board, so I'm guessing you didn't make it onto your team? 
I have absolutely no interest in becoming a member of any police SWAT team, nor have I ever tried to get onto one. They have some very specific functions for which they are very necessary, none of which hold any interest for me. I don't find slow, methodical building searches of a contained incident, or high risk warrant services interesting. I like being a patrol cop, I like resolving situations myself, and handling calls. I have nothing but respect for competent SWAT members and the work they do, just like I have nothing but respect for competent firefighters and the work they do. That being said I am not impressed by fancy uniforms and equipment and tactical fetishizing. 99% of the tactical problems encountered on this job can be handled adequately with a double action revolver, some speedloaders, an impact weapon, and a cruiser carried long gun. Sometimes you need a SWAT team. Don't confuse my lampooning of the Howard Hunters of the world with scorn for professionals doing good work. As the late Pat Rogers was fond of saying, "policing is regional", and so are SWAT teams. Some are very professional groups of squared away guys that work hard, some are bunches of completely unqualified assclowns playing dress up, some are a solution looking for a problem and MANY are an unfortunate combination of all three. PS I don't give a flying fuck what color their uniforms are. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:53:48 PM EST
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Boot camp rejects?? Ed |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:59:17 PM EST
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While you're searching post history maybe you should read my username and figure out whether or not I have any experience on the "tac side of the house"
I have absolutely no interest in becoming a member of any police SWAT team, nor have I ever tried to get onto one. They have some very specific functions for which they are very necessary, none of which hold any interest for me. I don't find slow, methodical building searches of a contained incident, or high risk warrant services interesting. I like being a patrol cop, I like resolving situations myself, and handling calls. I have nothing but respect for competent SWAT members and the work they do, just like I have nothing but respect for competent firefighters and the work they do. That being said I am not impressed by fancy uniforms and equipment and tactical fetishizing. 99% of the tactical problems encountered on this job can be handled adequately with a double action revolver, some speedloaders, an impact weapon, and a cruiser carried long gun. Sometimes you need a SWAT team. Don't confuse my lampooning of the Howard Hunters of the world with scorn for professionals doing good work. As the late Pat Rogers was fond of saying, "policing is regional", and so are SWAT teams. Some are very professional groups of squared away guys that work hard, some are bunches of completely unqualified assclowns playing dress up, some are a solution looking for a problem and MANY are an unfortunate combination of all three. PS I don't give a flying fuck what color their uniforms are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I just searched your post history. Lotta hate for the tac side of the house, you're obviously on the job and you're on a gun board, so I'm guessing you didn't make it onto your team?
I have absolutely no interest in becoming a member of any police SWAT team, nor have I ever tried to get onto one. They have some very specific functions for which they are very necessary, none of which hold any interest for me. I don't find slow, methodical building searches of a contained incident, or high risk warrant services interesting. I like being a patrol cop, I like resolving situations myself, and handling calls. I have nothing but respect for competent SWAT members and the work they do, just like I have nothing but respect for competent firefighters and the work they do. That being said I am not impressed by fancy uniforms and equipment and tactical fetishizing. 99% of the tactical problems encountered on this job can be handled adequately with a double action revolver, some speedloaders, an impact weapon, and a cruiser carried long gun. Sometimes you need a SWAT team. Don't confuse my lampooning of the Howard Hunters of the world with scorn for professionals doing good work. As the late Pat Rogers was fond of saying, "policing is regional", and so are SWAT teams. Some are very professional groups of squared away guys that work hard, some are bunches of completely unqualified assclowns playing dress up, some are a solution looking for a problem and MANY are an unfortunate combination of all three. PS I don't give a flying fuck what color their uniforms are. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:59:38 PM EST
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Seems like a waste of time whenever I see it for active shooter call outs.
never figured out why they don't just throw plates on and go. For warrants and shit whatever, but active shooters seem like time is more critical than Chicks-Dig-It camo Aw well, I'll stay on the Internet |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:05:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt any of those cops you lol at, would care if they knew. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:05:22 PM EST
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Boot camp rejects?? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:06:20 PM EST
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Seems like a waste of time whenever I see it for active shooter call outs. never figured out why they don't just throw plates on and go. For warrants and shit whatever, but active shooters seem like time is more critical than Chicks-Dig-It camo Aw well, I'll stay on the Internet |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:07:12 PM EST
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Seems like a waste of time whenever I see it for active shooter call outs. never figured out why they don't just throw plates on and go. Once patrol is reasonably sure the suspect is dead/in custody/long gone, someone has to do a detailed and thorough search of the scene for hiding suspects/bombs/things of that nature. Since that someone(SWAT) is not the first line response and has the luxury of time, logically they should equip themselves in a manner lending them the utmost advantage for performing that activity. Helpful? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:07:53 PM EST
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Seems like a waste of time whenever I see it for active shooter call outs. never figured out why they don't just throw plates on and go. For warrants and shit whatever, but active shooters seem like time is more critical than Chicks-Dig-It camo Aw well, I'll stay on the Internet 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:08:56 PM EST
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It is a progression. Black to woodland to ACU (maybe, I have seen my local SWAT use OD) to multicam.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:09:54 PM EST
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How does that work if you get called from home on SWAT? Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam. Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:11:40 PM EST
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I have my patrol car parked by my house. We have a cell phone page out for swat calls. If i am not working in my personal car, i respond to pd in it. I carry spare gear in my personal car. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam. Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? What if you are in the middle of drinking or something? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:14:43 PM EST
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Is it optional whether you respond to a call? What if you are in the middle of drinking or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam. Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? What if you are in the middle of drinking or something? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:15:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it were up to me there would be no conventional uniform. Just kit them all up like tac and be done. If you're going to police then police, no sense waking around sparkling like a marine corps ball. I just find the whole Johnny has better toys than I do thing in these threads funny from adults. Some really get irritated. ETA: What makes you think that Johnny has better toys than I do anyway?
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:19:04 PM EST
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Is it optional whether you respond to a call? What if you are in the middle of drinking or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam. Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? What if you are in the middle of drinking or something? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:19:57 PM EST
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BDUs make a ton of sense. No argument there. All I said was that cops wearing head to toe multicam, especially just standing around on a secured scene or in an urban area, looks pants on head retarded. That's my opinion. Nothing more. Apparently that ruffled the feathers of some of the more sensitive members in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If it were up to me there would be no conventional uniform. Just kit them all up like tac and be done. If you're going to police then police, no sense waking around sparkling like a marine corps ball. I just find the whole Johnny has better toys than I do thing in these threads funny from adults. Some really get irritated. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:22:54 PM EST
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All these lowely civilians don’t know shit.
Stand around wait and talk guys are masters of cammy flaj. Once you go tier one +, you get camo for all occasions. Christmas camo 
Easter camo 
Driving in the dark camo 
We even have off duty camo so we can pick out other crye ninjas in public.  Seriously though, Black fucking sucks. Even at night, you can see a black blob, it’s not natural anywhere. At night green is still green, Wear black and lay on grass and everyone will see you. To me multicam is the best overall one uniform everywhere. 
Above is full heavy hot Armageddon shit and a city guy in black. When I get a choice I go light and in a t shirt. 
 For those bitching at Crye, your crazy. We just got the newest stretchy weather stuff and it’s awesome, I prefer it 100 times over the regular crye uniform before it. I’d say anyone who hates it hasn’t used it. Respect my tacthoritah! |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:23:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd say when we respond some where, at least 2-3 of us are in patrol uniform or slacks and button down shirts (CID guys). If the operation is a preplanned, butt ass early in the morning operation, we will all be in our greens. Dudes that are responding from home will be in greens 100% of the time. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:24:41 PM EST
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Never trust a white shirt.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:27:31 PM EST
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While you're searching post history maybe you should read my username and figure out whether or not I have any experience on the "tac side of the house"
I have absolutely no interest in becoming a member of any police SWAT team, nor have I ever tried to get onto one. They have some very specific functions for which they are very necessary, none of which hold any interest for me. I don't find slow, methodical building searches of a contained incident, or high risk warrant services interesting. I like being a patrol cop, I like resolving situations myself, and handling calls. I have nothing but respect for competent SWAT members and the work they do, just like I have nothing but respect for competent firefighters and the work they do. That being said I am not impressed by fancy uniforms and equipment and tactical fetishizing. 99% of the tactical problems encountered on this job can be handled adequately with a double action revolver, some speedloaders, an impact weapon, and a cruiser carried long gun. Sometimes you need a SWAT team. Don't confuse my lampooning of the Howard Hunters of the world with scorn for professionals doing good work. As the late Pat Rogers was fond of saying, "policing is regional", and so are SWAT teams. Some are very professional groups of squared away guys that work hard, some are bunches of completely unqualified assclowns playing dress up, some are a solution looking for a problem and MANY are an unfortunate combination of all three. PS I don't give a flying fuck what color their uniforms are. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:32:55 PM EST
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Never trust a white shirt. I hate the airline pilot look. Not comfy at all. When I have to not be seen at night from the moon, I keep a Od underarmor pullover that dons quickly between the headrests. 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:52:43 PM EST
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What dept did that retard "Battle Swarm" guy work for?
Had his profile photo someone linked here of him in a Marpat costume. lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 11:15:31 PM EST
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If I am responding from the office, I will be in a blue polo and khaki tactical pants 99% of the time (because I'm usually doing boring IT stuff).
We all had to buy our own Multicam if we wanted it. Most did. (We have to buy our own armor too. The agency only issues IIIA concealment vests.) The last issued SWAT uniform was a set of greens (with jacket) about 8 years ago. I keep a set in the trunk (with spare boots/socks) but I've only worn multicams when responding from home or on a pre-planned op (like warrant service). My plate carrier is desert tan. I have a Multicam IOTV but that's more coverage/weight than I prefer and I don't want to mess it up since they won't replace it.
My agency covers mostly rural wooded areas. Multicam, woodland, and Marpat work best here. We did a photo recon class with 20th SFG recently, and the Multicam is obviously great in diverse terrain. They did buy us helmets and Liberator III headsets for comms, so there's that. My helmet doesn't fit though. I need to order 0.5" pads for the thing instead of 0.75" that came with it. I'm kinda on the fence about wearing a helmet, but I'm already wearing comms, so it's not like it will affect my hearing negatively. If I get it setup for my PVS-14 it'll be worth it, but I'm only one of 2 guys with one because I bought it. (I really don't want it damaged.) The narcotics guys bought some stupid gen 2 handheld bullshit. I tried to get the team into IR lasers and NVGs but they balked at having to pay $350 for used PEQ-16 units. I was trying to buy one with my own money and keep it (also denied). lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 11:58:49 PM EST
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At some level, it's cosplay. Hard core civilian gun nuts taking carbine courses are often guilty of the same.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:24:33 AM EST
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At some level, it's cosplay. Hard core civilian gun nuts taking carbine courses are often guilty of the same. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:29:02 AM EST
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If I'm working my regular shift, that's what I do. Our crap is all green though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most teams like this are an ERT or a strike team, not so much swat.. All this gear is staged and ready to go. They will practice and drill over and over and can be geared up AND on site in a very short period of time. Others have their gear on the rig and dress suit up on the drive over. You would be surprised how quickly you can dress and gear up when you practice over and over to do it. Why the need to get decked all up in multicam pants, boots, and shirt?
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:33:33 AM EST
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Civilians had multicam before the military adopted it. It's also still probably the most versatile camo pattern out there. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:41:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryLooks good on yoga pants,
but THAT was always a clown shoes pattern that never particularly blended into well....anything. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:49:49 AM EST
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I agree with this conclusion Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At some level, it's cosplay. Hard core civilian gun nuts taking carbine courses are often guilty of the same.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 5:19:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it works. Black is sucks to blend in and is HOT. Grey sticks out like a sore thumb, they tried it in the 90's. OD green is about the best all around color for all areas, day and night use. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:37:55 AM EST
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We just went to blue because it looks "less tactical". Fucking feelings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Because it works. Black is sucks to blend in and is HOT. Grey sticks out like a sore thumb, they tried it in the 90's. OD green is about the best all around color for all areas, day and night use. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:09:55 AM EST
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From yesterday's Youtube shooting.
SWAT operator in black. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:21:13 AM EST
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Motherfucking basement dwellers buying multi-cam shit for basic pistol classes.
Mad when cops wear it. 
I love morons. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:23:28 AM EST
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Motherfucking basement dwellers buying multi-cam shit for basic pistol classes. Mad when cops wear it.
I love morons. Its the military that are posers. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:26:01 AM EST
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Cops are just wearing civilian attire. Its the military that are posers. I wore a fucking white cotton t-shirt to my last class. I was emulating a walmart stripper. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:29:54 AM EST
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How else will you blend into the parking garage, dumpster, and office park if you AREN'T wearing multicam? I mean you can't just roll up in a giant MRAP surrounded by squad cars and flashing lights and NOT blend into the shrubbery. The more you know!  A Bridge Too Far - The Wrong Camoflage |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:31:47 AM EST
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Motherfucking basement dwellers buying multi-cam shit for basic pistol classes. Mad when cops wear it.
I love morons.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:34:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like the armor section. How pathetic must we really be when we are mad over the goddamn color of our clothes.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:34:38 AM EST
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We wear a digital black BDU uniform for training and when we get called out. If Im on duty I go with what ever Im wearing which could be class a's or a green BDU uniform with a mole vest. If Im responding from off duty I put on my Digital Black BDU uniform. All my SWAT gear is in the trunk of my Charger.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:39:11 AM EST
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We wear a digital black BDU uniform for training and when we get called out. If Im on duty I go with what ever Im wearing which could be class a's or a green BDU uniform with a mole vest. If Im responding from off duty I put on my Digital Black BDU uniform. All my SWAT gear is in the trunk of my Charger. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:51:00 AM EST
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches.
Flame suit on. its a small detail, I know. I was talking with a friend about it once and she had an interesting take "well remember that prisoner, prison guard experiment? put cops in soldier uniforms and guess what they act like?" |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:53:15 AM EST
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Now that the patent has expired, people should start using urban marpat https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airsoft.kg%2Fforum%2Fuploads%2Fpost-8318-1391877579_thumb.jpg&sp=c55441f9710ea71c04de0b1a1866e14b https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyperstealth.com%2Fcoyote%2FP1010147.jpg&sp=132b828a51384c948116608f6d6f7ee0 |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:57:47 AM EST
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Make fun of me all you want. I really like cops to look more like cops, and less like soldiers. I would rather have solid colors with lots of high vis "POLICE" on display than police looking like soldiers, complete with lo vis patches. Flame suit on. its a small detail, I know. I was talking with a friend about it once and she had an interesting take "well remember that prisoner, prison guard experiment? put cops in soldier uniforms and guess what they act like?"
Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:58:10 AM EST
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Most teams like this are an ERT or a strike team, not so much swat.. All this gear is staged and ready to go. They will practice and drill over and over and can be geared up AND on site in a very short period of time. Others have their gear on the rig and dress suit up on the drive over. You would be surprised how quickly you can dress and gear up when you practice over and over to do it. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:11:23 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:16:26 AM EST
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This topic is still alive
 Back in the mid 2000's most of us were rocking woodland BDU's for green MJ grow ops. We called em undocumented aliens back then. Well, the UDA's had good spotter systems in place and the camps were almost always vacant by the time we raided them. Some genius made the connection that the majority of the left behind clothing was Salvation Army camo. And it was all woodland. So to avoid any blue on blue, we went to straight OD green. Years later, the "more exclusive" camo was multicam so some started transitioning that direction. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:21:52 AM EST
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Woodland master race.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:27:37 AM EST
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Why does 87% of arf dress up like SF? But mah clothes bro! Amazing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1om9rx46mE/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:28:14 AM EST
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I am clearly a faggot. Marine? |
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