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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:46:54 PM EDT
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 You should check our Armory page sometime.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So it's more like Typical Weapons And Tactics for these costumed crusaders? You should check our Armory page sometime.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:47:32 PM EDT
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So, what happens when you're having a bbq with your SWAT team buddies, a few beers, maybe some Fireball, and the call comes in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Every police dept. is different. SWAT team members are police officers/detectives and are on call 24/7 if something comes up. So they are either wearing normal clohes while off-duty, in police uniform while on-duty or suit if detective on-duty, or street clothes if doing surveillance, narc or vice. Then, when they get paged, they will change into SWAT uniform and gear. If its an urgent situation, then its its just gear over whatever you are wearing at the time. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:47:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what happens when you're having a bbq with your SWAT team buddies, a few beers, maybe some Fireball, and the call comes in? Some are on call 24/7/365 but if they can't come in, they can't come in. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't find any photos of SWAT using a gray uniform for some reason  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:50:07 PM EDT
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Driving around Phoenix I always found it odd the PHXPD decided that black was the best color for the officer's everyday wear.
Poor fuckers standing around doing traffic duty in 110* heat.. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:50:46 PM EDT
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It's makes me think of that whole UPC debacle the Army had. Where they tried to make a camo that worked in all environments, and so it ended up working in NO environments. lol It sorta gives me that same vibe, with Police in highly urbanized areas trying to rock Multicam. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:53:08 PM EDT
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Intimidation is a factor.
Determining who's friendly or not is a factor. Looking cool is a factor (see also: intimidation). Even the baddest motherfucker is going to shit his pants a bit when a bunch of dudes in full camo are bearing down on him. It lets everyone know that the cool kids showed up and are ready to play. Plenty of scumbags don't respect a standard police uniform but they know shit's getting real when the guys dressed like SF arrive. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:55:25 PM EDT
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SWAT = SOF
J/K !?? You're either SWAT or you're not! |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:55:58 PM EDT
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Intimidation is a factor. Determining who's friendly or not is a factor. Looking cool is a factor (see also: intimidation). Even the baddest motherfucker is going to shit his pants a bit when a bunch of dudes in full camo are bearing down on him. It lets everyone know that the cool kids showed up and are ready to play. Plenty of scumbags don't respect a standard police uniform but they know shit's getting real when the guys dressed like SF arrive. 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:57:55 PM EDT
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They should wear those Korean or Taiwanese ballistic face masks. Those scare the shit out of me. https://cdn2.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/980x551/public/2013/10/21/soldier1.jpg?itok=TGSHRJ6S Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Intimidation is a factor. Determining who's friendly or not is a factor. Looking cool is a factor (see also: intimidation). Even the baddest motherfucker is going to shit his pants a bit when a bunch of dudes in full camo are bearing down on him. It lets everyone know that the cool kids showed up and are ready to play. Plenty of scumbags don't respect a standard police uniform but they know shit's getting real when the guys dressed like SF arrive. https://cdn2.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/980x551/public/2013/10/21/soldier1.jpg?itok=TGSHRJ6S |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:57:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what happens when you're having a bbq with your SWAT team buddies, a few beers, maybe some Fireball, and the call comes in? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:58:43 PM EDT
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Intimidating, yes, but all I can think is "that's got to be hot... and heavy... and has to severely limit your peripheral vision... not to mention making it impossible to get a cheek weld." |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:59:21 PM EDT
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The local SWAT wears Woodland to blend in with the woods. USDA sticks out like a sore thumb with the greens.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:59:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:04:23 PM EDT
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The local SWAT wears Woodland to blend in with the woods. USDA sticks out like a sore thumb with the greens. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:04:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:08:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:09:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:11:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:12:07 PM EDT
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I can't find any photos of SWAT using a gray uniform for some reason Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They do make a black themed one: http://multicampattern.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/multicam_black_2_pattern_slide-1920x938_c.jpg Honestly for urban PDs I'd think a gray uniform makes the most sense. I believe they get multicam because it is cheaper? Don't they get similar discounts as the military? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:13:17 PM EDT
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Around here all the SWAT guys drive Suburbans on normal patrol. They wear OD BDUs with nylon belt/gear where as the normal officers have leather and traditional uniforms. My old shop was next to the gas station they'd prep at when shit was popping off. A bunch of suburbans would roll in and guys would start kitting up in the parking lot.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:15:53 PM EDT
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Why not just throw a plate carrier over their uniform and grab an AR? Why the need to get decked all up in multicam pants, boots, and shirt? You never know what the situation could turn into and if you can have your boots, bdu pants and blouse instead of class a or class b uniform and low cut boots/shoes, that would be ideal. You might be in a 48 hr stand off, need to repel from an office building roof, track a suspect through tall grass, mud, snow, shrubs and thickets. A supervisor will determine when SWAT is needed but he cannot predict how it's going to turn out. You can't rush into everything, like hostage or barricaded subject. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:17:58 PM EDT
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Our guys typically wear all black. They have Woodland Marpat cause most of the lead guys are Marines but they only wear them at training and the rare incident in the woods.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:18:57 PM EDT
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So, what happens when you're having a bbq with your SWAT team buddies, a few beers, maybe some Fireball, and the call comes in? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:23:11 PM EDT
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Swat carry grenades yet?
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:24:39 PM EDT
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Swat carry grenades yet? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:25:41 PM EDT
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Swat carry grenades yet? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:26:13 PM EDT
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We do
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:27:16 PM EDT
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LOL all you want. That's what I do every time I see a bunch of cops standing around looking like airsoft fags in a city with no vegetation in sight. It may be functional. Cool. All I'm saying is it looks retarded and plays into the whole "hut hut hut" meme. I'm just a lowly can picking civilian and like to dress up in hard plates and tactical timmy pew pew gear too so no hard feels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have a team BBQ/event of some sort we let the Sheriff's team know and they are on standby for call outs. They do the same as well. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:35:13 PM EDT
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I will trade them the right to wear multicam for my right to have a new M-16 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Civilians had multicam before the military adopted it. The military should quit trying to be civilians. 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:43:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know that there is a large county park and state park less than 500 -1000 yards from the location where this occurred, right? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:43:37 PM EDT
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Driving around Phoenix I always found it odd the PHXPD decided that black was the best color for the officer's everyday wear. Poor fuckers standing around doing traffic duty in 110* heat.. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:45:30 PM EDT
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You do know that there is a large county park and state park less than 500 -1000 yards from the location where this occurred, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:48:43 PM EDT
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Most teams like this are an ERT or a strike team, not so much swat.. All this gear is staged and ready to go. They will practice and drill over and over and can be geared up AND on site in a very short period of time. Others have their gear on the rig and dress suit up on the drive over. You would be surprised how quickly you can dress and gear up when you practice over and over to do it. No, really, they change their pants driving over? Lets put this into some kind of realistic time frame. How long? Cause an event is unfolding and all I see is delay. Nope, what are the guys who are the First Responders wearing? Usually duty uniform out of the cruiser, badges and whistles and shiny stuff. Then - lets give it 15 minutes, with trained operators changing into pants and boots while simultaneously driving a vehicle at red light speeds - they show up at the scene and do - ? Am I calling BS on this, yes. If the tactical response requires immediate action with an active shooter, then ok, the ubercam squad is not going to be there in time - they will arrive after the EMT's and before the coroner. So what point is there for an expensive field uniform at a urban/suburban site? Or, are we talking the cruiser duty cops sitting outside the school waiting for SWAT with an active shooter inside? Again, tell me why it's so important to wear a military grade tactical uniform to hunt down a perp inside a building in an urban situation, while we see deputy sherriffs trashing their street wear walking thru fields to find a buried body? Am I reading excuses where special people get special treatment while the actual grunt work is being done by guys who pay out of pocket? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:49:49 PM EDT
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And? As I clearly said, if it's functional, wear it. Just don't get all offended when I laugh at you because you look like a fucking hut hut LARPer on the news. Speshul tactics tho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:50:55 PM EDT
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I cant help but wonder. You see pictures of active shooter situations and all the SWAT guys are always decked out in multicam, etc. Are they wearing that shit all day everyday just waiting or do they change out into their ACUs en-route? Is there a member of the team assigned the "designated driver" role, so everyone has time to assemble their ACUs with matching combat boots, multicam plate carriers, and multicam helmet covers? Curious minds just have to know! https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/sUNlbYBR4Bk8cqSMs7JcuQ--~B/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD0zODg7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTk1O3c9NzIwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/creatr-images/GLB/2018-04-03/3946a3c0-378c-11e8-97ec-4f75fe876594_image-5721 |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:51:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like Cruz the Parkland shooter! No, really, they change their pants driving over? Lets put this into some kind of realistic time frame. How long? Cause an event is unfolding and all I see is delay. Nope, what are the guys who are the First Responders wearing? Usually duty uniform out of the cruiser, badges and whistles and shiny stuff. Then - lets give it 15 minutes, with trained operators changing into pants and boots while simultaneously driving a vehicle at red light speeds - they show up at the scene and do - ? Am I calling BS on this, yes. If the tactical response requires immediate action with an active shooter, then ok, the ubercam squad is not going to be there in time - they will arrive after the EMT's and before the coroner. So what point is there for an expensive field uniform at a urban/suburban site? Or, are we talking the cruiser duty cops sitting outside the school waiting for SWAT with an active shooter inside? Again, tell me why it's so important to wear a military grade tactical uniform to hunt down a perp inside a building in an urban situation, while we see deputy sherriffs trashing their street wear walking thru fields to find a buried body? Am I reading excuses where special people get special treatment while the actual grunt work is being done by guys who pay out of pocket? If a deputy is too stupid not to change into a utility uniform before thrashing around in the woods that's on him. Patrol uniforms are expensive and so are the shiny things on them that get snagged on slings or weeds trees etc. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:56:20 PM EDT
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Depends on the dept. if it’s a very large agency with a full time team then yes, they may very well be in that uniform all day. They will train or do directed patrols or execute warrants for Narc or vice teams or even detectives that may be looking for someone with a violent history to be picked up. Then if a SWAT call comes out they throw on their rifle plates and roll out.
If it’s a smaller agency SWAT will be a collateral duty. You will see guys rolling up in various different uniforms for their agency depending on their day to day assignment and throwing on their SWAT equipment over it at the scene |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wonder why so many SWAT teams choose Multicam. It looks like clown shoes in a urban setting. Should stick with black or grey colors. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:08:14 PM EDT
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Delete
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:10:47 PM EDT
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Because, why not?
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:11:36 PM EDT
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Now that the patent has expired, people should start using urban marpat
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:15:11 PM EDT
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My patrol car is parked in my drive way. I drive home and get my patrol car or get off the couch and go get in it when the call comes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam. Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:20:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would anyone care what you laugh at? 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:23:38 PM EDT
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The SWAT officer who took down one of the shooters in the N. Hollywood bank robbery was wearing shorts and a polo shirt. He run what he brung. https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/noho.jpg?quality=85&strip=all |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:24:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just searched your post history. Lotta hate for the tac side of the house, you're obviously on the job and you're on a gun board, so I'm guessing you didn't make it onto your team? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:33:06 PM EDT
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Now that the patent has expired, people should start using urban marpat https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airsoft.kg%2Fforum%2Fuploads%2Fpost-8318-1391877579_thumb.jpg&sp=c55441f9710ea71c04de0b1a1866e14b https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyperstealth.com%2Fcoyote%2FP1010147.jpg&sp=132b828a51384c948116608f6d6f7ee0 |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:35:48 PM EDT
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And? As I clearly said, if it's functional, wear it. Just don't get all offended when I laugh at you because you look like a fucking hut hut LARPer on the news. Speshul tactics tho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:37:13 PM EDT
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Now that the patent has expired, people should start using urban marpat https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airsoft.kg%2Fforum%2Fuploads%2Fpost-8318-1391877579_thumb.jpg&sp=c55441f9710ea71c04de0b1a1866e14b https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyperstealth.com%2Fcoyote%2FP1010147.jpg&sp=132b828a51384c948116608f6d6f7ee0 |
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