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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:33:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 90's called and said it sucked. I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:34:06 PM EST
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The 90's called and said it sucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd think they'd go with Urban grey colors or something. 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:35:23 PM EST
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Have there been actual formal studies on Police application of Camo? Or is the Police just going with whatever the .mil is going with? I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The 90's called and said it sucked. I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. A lighter/gray camo would blend in with all the concrete nicely. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:36:45 PM EST
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Most SWAT teams are not full time SWAT. The officers respond to whatever location is specified and gear up
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:37:31 PM EST
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Most teams like this are an ERT or a strike team, not so much swat.. All this gear is staged and ready to go. They will practice and drill over and over and can be geared up AND on site in a very short period of time. Others have their gear on the rig and dress suit up on the drive over. You would be surprised how quickly you can dress and gear up when you practice over and over to do it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:42:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it works. Black is sucks to blend in and is HOT. Grey sticks out like a sore thumb, they tried it in the 90's. OD green is about the best all around color for all areas, day and night use. I agree on OD. Example:  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:43:19 PM EST
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I always wonder why so many SWAT teams choose Multicam. It looks like clown shoes in a urban setting. Should stick with black or grey colors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd think they'd go with Urban grey colors or something. Should stick with black or grey colors. Plus, it hides stains and doesn't require sending it to the cleaners to look decent. Beyond that...who cares. It works and it is cheap. You can get it at DRMO... |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:44:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I live in an area with lots of concrete buildings. Multicam sticks out like a sore thumb. A lighter/gray camo would blend in with all the concrete nicely. It sorta gives me that same vibe, with Police in highly urbanized areas trying to rock Multicam. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:45:45 PM EST
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I can give an actual answer as to the teams involved. SMCOSO uses Multi-Cam because about 90% of the county is rural where they are responsible for patrolling. The San Mateo North Central Regional SWAT, of which San Bruno PD is a member, wears Multicam Dark. Both teams picked Crye for the flame resistance and features. As to the poster who implied that they are guys who couldn't cut it in boot camp, The officer that I supervise who is on one of those Teams is a Marine Iraq Vet with a purple heart for getting blowed up in an IED. The other guy I supervise on that team is away at Air Force Basic Training, so we'll see if he makes it.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:47:14 PM EST
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Civilians had multicam before the military adopted it. The military should quit trying to be civilians. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:47:26 PM EST
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I always wonder why so many SWAT teams choose Multicam. It looks like clown shoes in a urban setting. Should stick with black or grey colors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd think they'd go with Urban grey colors or something. Should stick with black or grey colors. Black, blue or grey is fine if you are 100% going to be working in an urban area. For the other 95% of swat teams that are going to be working in rural and urban areas, a neutral or camouflage pattern is the smarter choice. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:50:27 PM EST
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It looks pretty ridiculous honestly. Especially in urban environments. Roll up in a fucking giant MRAP, run 50 yards max, and kick a door. I could understand it for sniper teams but having 15 guys standing on street corners in head to toe cammies seems fairly retarded to me.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:51:23 PM EST
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I can give an actual answer as to the teams involved. SMCOSO uses Multi-Cam because about 90% of the county is rural where they are responsible for patrolling. The San Mateo North Central Regional SWAT, of which San Bruno PD is a member, wears Multicam Dark. Both teams picked Crye for the flame resistance and features. As to the poster who implied that they are guys who couldn't cut it in boot camp, The officer that I supervise who is on one of those Teams is a Marine Iraq Vet with a purple heart for getting blowed up in an IED. The other guy I supervise on that team is away at Air Force Basic Training, so we'll see if he makes it. 
The knock offs are not just as good. They have terrible stitching and/or cheaper stitching. That results in much more likely to tear, and other safety issues that can come up. It's not the same as arguing that some dude shouldn't buy a 200 dollar pair of jeans when the 60 dollars ones will cut it. LOL no. Crye is not a gucci product or something, it offers real benefits other than looks. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:52:36 PM EST
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:54:22 PM EST
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam. Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:56:41 PM EST
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Have there been actual formal studies on Police application of Camo? Or is the Police just going with whatever the .mil is going with? I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The 90's called and said it sucked. I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. With that said, civilians had multicam BEFORE the military adopted it. Black SUCKS, it stands out in most places and is hot. Earth tones are always better. OD green is about the all around best solid color there is for most places and times of year. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:57:41 PM EST
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You'd think they'd go with Urban grey colors or something. https://i.imgur.com/MZ615zJ.jpg 
There is a reason why it quickly died. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 6:59:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Military and civilian police forces have used the same basic uniforms since the Roman days. With that said, civilians had multicam BEFORE the military adopted it. Black SUCKS, it stands out in most places and is hot. Earth tones are always better. OD green is about the all around best solid color there is for most places and times of year. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:00:17 PM EST
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They do make a black themed one:
Honestly for urban PDs I'd think a gray uniform makes the most sense. I believe they get multicam because it is cheaper? Don't they get similar discounts as the military? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:01:40 PM EST
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OD green seems to be the most versatile.
You also don't look like you got lost going to an airsoft LARP party. If it is good enough for the IDF, 2 world wars, and Vietnam why not just OD all the things? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:01:57 PM EST
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Multicam works fine for most environments as a general camo/tactical uniform. Most urban areas in the US have a mix of various colors including tons of green and brown.
Camo, like an "urban camo" that would try to replicate man-made structures doesn't make sense for any environment, IMO. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:02:10 PM EST
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They do make a black themed one: http://multicampattern.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/multicam_black_2_pattern_slide-1920x938_c.jpg Honestly for urban PDs I'd think a gray uniform makes the most sense. I believe they get multicam because it is cheaper? Don't they get similar discounts as the military? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:02:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But wouldn't that slow the response? I can see throwing on your plate carrier, helmet, drop leg holster (just because, right!), etc. But to change your shirt and pants, you have to take off your current shoes, take off your shirt, your pants, then put on another shirt/pants/boots before you can start adding the important stuff that I already mentioned above. Just seems like a timewaster. Instead of focusing on getting there and processsing incoming intel, instead everyone is like a tacti-tard at their first USPSA match, making sure they look cool for the big day. Maybe PDs should start doing some Lean 6 Sigma training on how to monopolize their time better on SWAT.  |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:04:56 PM EST
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HUT! HUT! HUT!
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:04:59 PM EST
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Ever play on a basketball team? Identify friend or foe by uniform? Same thing except they pass the bullets 
Just wait until some nut jobs with a couple more brain cells than usual get into a fight with them while wearing cammies too. They won’t ban cammies quick enough. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:05:15 PM EST
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One of these. Multi cam is a great pattern for urban and woodland environments. LEO's fielded them before the .mil got on board. You fail.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:05:34 PM EST
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:09:15 PM EST
[#28]
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Have there been actual formal studies on Police application of Camo? Or is the Police just going with whatever the .mil is going with? I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:10:35 PM EST
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So it's more like Typical Weapons And Tactics for these costumed crusaders? You should check our Armory page sometime.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:10:47 PM EST
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Which brings up a good point, why do we not see more SWAT officers with rope! You never know when you might need rope!!! https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwiBjmypwvwlNgXuvTar21y9r-B9kQT1fdk5SYo0-Jt9fh1D8c Quote HistoryQuoted:
Which brings up a good point, why do we not see more SWAT officers with rope! You never know when you might need rope!!! https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwiBjmypwvwlNgXuvTar21y9r-B9kQT1fdk5SYo0-Jt9fh1D8c 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:11:25 PM EST
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Plate carriers don't play well with shiny dangling badges, name plates and shit.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:11:48 PM EST
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How does that work if you get called from home on SWAT? Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I keep mine in my patrol car, change into it if time allows. Emergency i just put my heavyvest on over uniform plus my helmet. If called out from home, i put on the multicam. Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:11:48 PM EST
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It looks pretty ridiculous honestly. Especially in urban environments. Roll up in a fucking giant MRAP, run 50 yards max, and kick a door. I could understand it for sniper teams but having 15 guys standing on street corners in head to toe cammies seems fairly retarded to me. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:18:58 PM EST
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I cant help but wonder. You see pictures of active shooter situations and all the SWAT guys are always decked out in multicam, etc. Are they wearing that shit all day everyday just waiting or do they change out into their ACUs en-route? Is there a member of the team assigned the "designated driver" role, so everyone has time to assemble their ACUs with matching combat boots, multicam plate carriers, and multicam helmet covers? Curious minds just have to know! https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/sUNlbYBR4Bk8cqSMs7JcuQ--~B/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD0zODg7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTk1O3c9NzIwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/creatr-images/GLB/2018-04-03/3946a3c0-378c-11e8-97ec-4f75fe876594_image-5721 Every police dept. is different. SWAT team members are police officers/detectives and are on call 24/7 if something comes up. So they are either wearing normal clohes while off-duty, in police uniform while on-duty or suit if detective on-duty, or street clothes if doing surveillance, narc or vice. Then, when they get paged, they will change into SWAT uniform and gear. If its an urgent situation, then its its just gear over whatever you are wearing at the time. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:20:29 PM EST
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I can't find any photos of SWAT using a gray uniform for some reason Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They do make a black themed one: http://multicampattern.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/multicam_black_2_pattern_slide-1920x938_c.jpg Honestly for urban PDs I'd think a gray uniform makes the most sense. I believe they get multicam because it is cheaper? Don't they get similar discounts as the military? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:20:43 PM EST
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It looks pretty ridiculous honestly. Especially in urban environments. Roll up in a fucking giant MRAP, run 50 yards max, and kick a door. I could understand it for sniper teams but having 15 guys standing on street corners in head to toe cammies seems fairly retarded to me. That whole situation I could never understand. Look at this nasty crap. Put on a belt or something. 
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:24:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does that work if you get called from home on SWAT? Do you get a call on your cell phone and then drive your personal vehicle over? |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:26:36 PM EST
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Urban gray makes my butt look big.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:29:38 PM EST
[#39]
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It looks pretty ridiculous honestly. Especially in urban environments. Roll up in a fucking giant MRAP, run 50 yards max, and kick a door. I could understand it for sniper teams but having 15 guys standing on street corners in head to toe cammies seems fairly retarded to me. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:30:02 PM EST
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Most swat teams are part time. Most full time teams are in major cities. Most of the major metro teams, especially on the east coast, are not wearing multicam. They are wearing "traditional colors" like black, navy blue, or green. As to what swat officers wear on the daily that varies from dept to dept. again, your full time guys are typically only doing swat duties so their daily wear is their working uniform. I have seen some smaller depts with part time teams who allow their members to wear their working uniform if they had or have a preplanned operation scheduled for that day.
Remember too, swat doesn't really mean anything on the surface. Swat runs the gamut from incredibly well funded, well trained, well managed teams to a couple of yokels who went through an NTOA school (once) with iron on decals on their t shirt and a Galls account. Even at the federal level there is a massive gulf in level of training and capabilities between FBI HRT and FBI SWAT. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:31:57 PM EST
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Why not just throw a plate carrier over their uniform and grab an AR? Why the need to get decked all up in multicam pants, boots, and shirt? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most teams like this are an ERT or a strike team, not so much swat.. All this gear is staged and ready to go. They will practice and drill over and over and can be geared up AND on site in a very short period of time. Others have their gear on the rig and dress suit up on the drive over. You would be surprised how quickly you can dress and gear up when you practice over and over to do it. Why the need to get decked all up in multicam pants, boots, and shirt?
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:33:52 PM EST
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Civilians had multicam before the military adopted it. The military should quit trying to be civilians. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:35:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:35:53 PM EST
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There's no one perfect pattern or color. They can respond to an urban location where its all asphalt, concrete and bricks, or in a rural place with trees, grass, shrubs and dirt roads. I live in a major US city. trees and vegetation is everywhere, lots of major roads have a median full of dark green grass, I live right next to a big protected marsh land.. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:36:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wonder why so many SWAT teams choose Multicam. It looks like clown shoes in a urban setting. Should stick with black or grey colors. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:36:57 PM EST
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Most teams like this are an ERT or a strike team, not so much swat.. All this gear is staged and ready to go. They will practice and drill over and over and can be geared up AND on site in a very short period of time. Others have their gear on the rig and dress suit up on the drive over. You would be surprised how quickly you can dress and gear up when you practice over and over to do it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:38:10 PM EST
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Agree with the other posters about black sucking for most areas. Our swat wears green and seems to be a decent all around color. It’s more about looking like the people who brought you more than actual camoflauge. A neighbor city wears multicam for the same reason. I’ve seen PDs wear light grey uniforms and it ends up looking like ass in short order.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:40:07 PM EST
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Yet, they never ever get there until the killing is over lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most teams like this are an ERT or a strike team, not so much swat.. All this gear is staged and ready to go. They will practice and drill over and over and can be geared up AND on site in a very short period of time. Others have their gear on the rig and dress suit up on the drive over. You would be surprised how quickly you can dress and gear up when you practice over and over to do it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:43:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because we found out it sucked in the 90's. And for those wondering how they decided on that, I wish it was something as intelligent as "This is the best camouflage for our area." They used to wear navy blue stuff. The decision to change to grey was literally "Hmm, patrol is switching from french blue shirts to navy blue shirts. We don't want to look like... normal... cops. We need a new color. What makes us look.... distinct?" They also bought a high tech garage door for their MRAP garage that rolls up in like 0.25 seconds so they can fly to emergencies that have been contained by patrol. Meanwhile the stations, which house the regular police cars, which are the first people to ACTUALLY GET to an emergency, have garage doors that creak and inch up like it's on a hand crank. Because SWAT! |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 7:46:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every police dept. is different. SWAT team members are police officers/detectives and are on call 24/7 if something comes up. So they are either wearing normal clohes while off-duty, in police uniform while on-duty or suit if detective on-duty, or street clothes if doing surveillance, narc or vice. Then, when they get paged, they will change into SWAT uniform and gear. If its an urgent situation, then its its just gear over whatever you are wearing at the time. |
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