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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:55:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You aren’t making any sense. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you’re an “elected office holder”. I just happen to teach my kids that entitlements are bad, and should be eliminated. Sorry you disagree, but your opinion won't matter. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:57:57 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have no kids, then someone else's kids are going to be running the city, county, state and country when you are old. It's a longshot, but I would rather have my kids in charge over someone else's progeny. I just happen to teach my kids that entitlements are bad, and should be eliminated. Sorry you disagree, but your opinion won't matter. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:58:42 AM EST
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Let's fight for our 2A rights, protect the US Constitution, live free or die! So that we can allow Western Civilization to dry up and disappear. Fuck the sacrifices made by the dozen or so modern generations of my ancestors. I AM THE FINAL END PRODUCT--- IT WAS ALL FOR ME!!!!!! I have no obligation to them, or to the God who made it possible. My great grandfather boarded a ship, left Copenhagen, started from nothing, failed at farming in Illinois, failed at farming in Wisconsin, finally succeeded in Minnesota where he built a solid foundation for our family. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!! Oh, and I will be supported in my dotage by the labor of OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS. I feel no moral compunction about any of this, because I am a modern American. And a fantastic argument against some moral imperative to have kids. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:02:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither will yours when you send the kids off to school and they come back preaching about how "We as a society should be providing for the less fortunate." It's almost like I was taught to be strong in my beliefs and be my own person. Not to be swayed easily, without considerable forethought. Amazing. The way my parents raised me probably had nothing to do with that. Probably. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:04:00 PM EST
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Most of the people that I know that decided not to have kids, had screwed up or traumatic childhoods. Divorce, fighting, split homes. I admire them for their decision, we are in a way programmed to repeat what we know.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:06:37 PM EST
[#6]
i dont like kids. i like being able to do my projects and keep my money and i like my dogs.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:07:01 PM EST
[#7]
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If people are healthy and successful(and conservative) I sort of think it's a moral imperative to have children. I usually hear the "I'll never have kids" thing from my crazy hippy cousin who is a Marxist. Strangely I hear it on here often. I sort of thought the "no-kids" mentality was a result of ethno-Marxist brainwashing or immoral urban consumerism(think Sex & the City TV show) |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:07:43 PM EST
[#8]
In 15 years, there’s going to be a bunch of posts on the Internet from conservative parents bemoaning their liberal children and asking if they should eject.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:10:12 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Crazy that I was raised by a conservative, went to college, gained an education, came home and was still conservative. It's almost like I was taught to be strong in my beliefs and be my own person. Not to be swayed easily, without considerable forethought. Amazing. The way my parents raised me probably had nothing to do with that. Probably. You're disillusioned if you believe having kids is the only way to contribute to society. A lot of big donors are casting that money at causes they champion BECAUSE they don't have kids to throw it at. Again, I'll have children. I just think your polarization on the issue is narrow minded. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:16:17 PM EST
[#10]
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No. GFY |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:18:53 PM EST
[#11]
I’m healthy, conservative, and had a successful vasectomy last year. I’m 32, and no kids that I know of. Been to 30+ countries, two of those actively participated in combat directly and indirectly (Afghanistan and Iraq). I came to my own conclusion not to have children.
**Edit: It’s kind of sad to some degree. My fathers line of the family has been in the US since 1764. I’m the only child, no health issues in family. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:20:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd agree that it probably did. I agree because the aforementioned reasons are probably why I can say the same of myself. My sister probably decided she was of a totally different mindset because people think for themselves and you only have so much control over it. You're disillusioned if you believe having kids is the only way to contribute to society. A lot of big donors are casting that money at causes they champion BECAUSE they don't have kids to throw it at. Again, I'll have children. I just think your polarization on the issue is narrow minded. I really don't care if people have kids. Most of those who don't, shouldn't, and the world will be better off with their bloodline eliminated (exceptions for those who, for medical reasons, can't). Sorry your sister went a different direction. You're right that occasionally one goes awry. However, I am doing my level best and anticipating what they will run into in college. My grandparents are 6 for 6 with conservative kids, and my parents are 3 for 3. I'd say we have a pretty good track record. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:22:16 PM EST
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Most the couples I know who elected not to have kids didn't make the choice for financial/economic reason - they all can easily afford kids - instead their choice was simply because they knew having kids would seriously crimp the lifestyles they thoroughly enjoy. Hard to go skiing every weekend, or take cruises to the Bahamas, or go 4-wheeling in the dunes, etc. when you have a baby that needs to be fed, bathed, diapers changed, etc. all the time. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:23:36 PM EST
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I've been hit, i've been abused, I've had the shit kicked out of me by parental figures. As such, I started doing the same to my younger half brother before I moved away.
I also maintain a long "fuse" on my personality, with lots and lots of blow offs. I do this because I get violent - not at people, but in general. It's a side of me I do not like at all. But it is a side that, unfortunately, my wife has seen a couple times (I have never nor will i ever raise a hand to her - my violence is taken out on inanimate objects). One of the very few things that cuts my "fuse" close to the blasting cap are kids. While I can see myself being a decent father, I can also see myself being that mother fucker that gets derided on this board for beating the shit out of kids, or being that father who is constantly mad at them for reasons unknown. This isn't fair to anyone. So kids aren't in mine or my wifes future. I can tolerate them in small doses, but I don't do well with them even then. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:25:35 PM EST
[#15]
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Their favorite term is crotchfruit, when I hear that I know I'm dealing with an imbecile. Also sounds like you might be feeling bad about that? Also, winning a fuck trophy is not really a huge accomplishment in itself. Humans have been doing it forever. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:30:53 PM EST
[#16]
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If people are healthy and successful(and conservative) I sort of think it's a moral imperative to have children. I usually hear the "I'll never have kids" thing from my crazy hippy cousin who is a Marxist. Strangely I hear it on here often. I sort of thought the "no-kids" mentality was a result of ethno-Marxist brainwashing or immoral urban consumerism(think Sex & the City TV show) |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:33:25 PM EST
[#17]
I had a terrible accident with a table saw and cant have kids.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:38:05 PM EST
[#18]
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I want a kid...I just can't find anyone that will let me stick my dick in them  A woman is not that hard to find, plenty of psycho's, scrawnies, fatties, medically desperate, married women, stalkers, older women etc... 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:38:44 PM EST
[#19]
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No. GFY Plus they scare me. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:41:02 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the 7.4B people, most of us here would likely have children in the top few percent on intelligence, creativity, problem solving, and understanding of the principles that made Western Civilization the last best hope for mankind. I realize it doesn't take much to do better than groups with average IQs in the high 80s, but I'm willing to bet my kids and most of yours will make the world a better place. I recall being told 30 years ago that we would run out of fossil fuel in 20 years. You are never going to moral grandstand people into a particular kind of behavior. Nothing works better than economic and social incentive. I'll address this as a religious person, yes, the Bible has "be fruitful and multiply in it." You can make a solid argument that there is, in fact, a moral imperative. Of course most people do not believe in the bible and aren't going to live bound by its prescriptions. Even those of us who do, or try to, tend not to react to grandstanding as a way to change behavior. It's an interesting theological point that makes a good commentary on just how far from God man has fallen. It's not just that man has fallen so far, it's that even those who try to follow God don't even really come close, and not nearly as close most of us think we do. Even the faithful among us still react far better to economic and social incentive than to biblical authority. There are very few for which that is the other way around. We can lament it and try to change it, but in the mean time, there is nothing to be gained by pretending the situation is anything other than what it actually is. If we want the smarter people to reproduce, the path of least resistance is to create social and economic conditions that promote that behavior. This will never happen, of course. Said social and economic conditions are considered to be wildly un-PC. It's just another way of ignoring reality, a talent that liberals and socialists have trained well into their legions useful idiots. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:42:38 PM EST
[#21]
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I never wanted kids. It’s probably why I held out so long. I never wanted the responsibility. I found them insufferable. I feel like I got lucky with my daughter the loss of my wife notwithstanding. She only cries when she is hungry or is in discomfort; she’s not clingy; she sleeps through the night. Honestly, I would probably feel differently if she was a high maintenance baby like some of my friends have gotten stuck with. I would be miserable with one of those. I don’t judge people who don’t like kids and don’t want them. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:42:59 PM EST
[#22]
Fuck kids. I like money.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:44:26 PM EST
[#23]
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I’m going to pop out some bastards and leave them on your porch like a feral cat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like, as a mammal - your compass is broken - is you don’t want to reproduce. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:47:53 PM EST
[#24]
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If people are healthy and successful(and conservative) I sort of think it's a moral imperative to have children. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:48:43 PM EST
[#25]
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Most of the people that I know that decided not to have kids, had screwed up or traumatic childhoods. Divorce, fighting, split homes. I admire them for their decision, we are in a way programmed to repeat what we know. 
That is incredibly true, and it's one of the saddest realities of mankind. It's a very hard thing to break and overcome. It usually doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:50:11 PM EST
[#26]
moral imperative? LOL
Not all of us want rug rats running around 24/7 for 18-25 years. GTFO |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:51:17 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you have no kids, then someone else's kids are going to be running the city, county, state and country when you are old. It's a longshot, but I would rather have my kids in charge over someone else's progeny. I just happen to teach my kids that entitlements are bad, and should be eliminated. Sorry you disagree, but your opinion won't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You aren’t making any sense. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you’re an “elected office holder”. I just happen to teach my kids that entitlements are bad, and should be eliminated. Sorry you disagree, but your opinion won't matter. Most of the people voting to keep entitlements alive have children. They are also a benefactor of various tax breaks and credits through out their working years, that folks without children don’t receive. I probably would’ve voted for you, until you made this bizarre and vague threat. It’s not because I want or need the entitlements, it’s because you appear to be guided by feelings, rather than logic. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:52:58 PM EST
[#28]
Nyet. Now go mind your damn business & stay outta my life, liberal..
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:53:27 PM EST
[#29]
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I suppose we should all look down on people who have hereditary defects who don't want to pass on what caused them pain their whole life. Fuck those people for not giving their offspring the pain and disadvantage that GD millionaires would cure themselves instantly of with their magic powers. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:59:30 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t support entitlement programs, at all. I also don’t have children. How is the loss of entitlements a detriment, again? Isn’t the foundation of removing these programs based on the belief that it will be better for our society in the long run? So, future generations won’t be saddled by massive debt? Most of the people voting to keep entitlements alive have children. They are also a benefactor of various tax breaks and credits through out their working years, that folks without children don’t receive. I probably would’ve voted for you, until you made this bizarre and vague threat. It’s not because I want or need the entitlements, it’s because you appear to be guided by feelings, rather than logic. Where am I saying the loss of entitlements is a detriment? The whole point of my post was to say that I want to remove entitlements, and I will raise my children to believe and work towards the same. I would also love to get rid of tax breaks and credits for children, EIC, etc. I still don't see what is illogical about having children, raising them to be conservative and encouraging to eliminate entitlements - doing the same work I am doing. It is logical to tell people I dislike entitlements, I will work to get rid of them, I will raise my children to do the same, and those without children will rely on other peoples offspring to run the country when they are old. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:03:08 PM EST
[#31]
Funny how a fair amount of the people in my life that suggest we have kids have raised terrible kids, not all but enough to go
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:05:41 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What threat? Where am I saying the loss of entitlements is a detriment? Quote HistoryQuoted: What threat? Where am I saying the loss of entitlements is a detriment? Quoted:
I'm extremely conservative. I have four kids. I am also involved in politics (my wife and I are both elected office holders). I am raising my kids to be successful conservatives who will run for office and are willing to cut entitlements. Hopefully they will be in office when all the childless people are in their golden years, and my children are successful in ending Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, etc. My offspring and my worldview will succeed, and this will be to the detriment of others. Too bad. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:07:37 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hence, it's only a threat to those who rely on entitlements. Why to you take such offense to that? |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:09:23 PM EST
[#34]
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Yes, it will be a detriment to those who rely on entitlements. Hence, it's only a threat to those who rely on entitlements. Why to you take such offense to that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Hence, it's only a threat to those who rely on entitlements. Why to you take such offense to that? |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:10:23 PM EST
[#35]
It's a divergence between conservative norms and the economic conditions from which they grew. The middle class is shrinking. Responsible people without a good economic outlook will refrain from creating kids if the conditions are poor.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:19:17 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t take offense to it. I’m trying to figure out what the fuck it has to do with not having kids. Who is raising them? |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:25:27 PM EST
[#37]
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In 15 years, there’s going to be a bunch of posts on the Internet from conservative parents bemoaning their liberal children and asking if they should eject. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:28:28 PM EST
[#38]
I see the bait thread is going well...
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:29:56 PM EST
[#39]
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Their favorite term is crotchfruit, when I hear that I know I'm dealing with an imbecile. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:00:40 PM EST
[#40]
While I would never want people to have kids they didn't want or love etc....Yes, I think it's selfish and self centered as all hell not to have children. It is our ONE biological imperative, there is something basically wrong with people unwilling to fulfill their purpose.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:12:42 PM EST
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"Conservatives" are out producing libs across the country. Especially church goers, seem to remember reading that in an article somewhere. What do you think the push for amnesty is all about. I think that the dems see the demographics and need a fresh supply of voters to go with all their dead voters.
Problem is, they are winning the war...their importation and fraud is exceeding any birthrate margin that exists. Especially since overall, american birth rates are declining overall. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:17:27 PM EST
[#42]
That's a mighty progressive attitude you have there, dictating other people's responsibility to have children for the good of society.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:19:58 PM EST
[#43]
I in no way intended to insult those who have health issues, emotional problems or traumatic childhoods which deter them from having kids. I certainly have tremendous compassion for people dealing with those challenges.
I'm specifically curious as to how healthy conservatives who have the ability to start a family can embrace a "no kids" attitude when it is clearly at odds with moral essence of American Conservatism and Christianity. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:21:23 PM EST
[#44]
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If people are healthy and successful(and conservative) I sort of think it's a moral imperative to have children. I usually hear the "I'll never have kids" thing from my crazy hippy cousin who is a Marxist. Strangely I hear it on here often. I sort of thought the "no-kids" mentality was a result of ethno-Marxist brainwashing or immoral urban consumerism(think Sex & the City TV show) Raising a kid here is a whole different ball game. My salary wouldn't cover a top of the line day care let alone an actual house which runs a million plus in any area you'd want to walk outside and meet your neighbors. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:28:25 PM EST
[#45]
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I in no way intended to insult those who have health issues, emotional problems or traumatic childhoods which deter them from having kids. I certainly have tremendous compassion for people dealing with those challenges. I'm specifically curious as to how healthy conservatives who have the ability to start a family can embrace a "no kids" attitude when it is clearly at odds with moral essence of American Conservatism and Christianity. Conservatives are really big on personal responsibility, as well as supporting yourself financially. Not having kids can help with both of those goals for many people. For people living right on the cusp of being lower class it could mean the difference between a very comfortable life, or a very stressful one. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:29:21 PM EST
[#46]
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I see the bait thread is going well... |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:33:10 PM EST
[#47]
Why I won't have kids
1) I don't like them 2) the careers that my wife and I have don't allow it 3) i like my sleep 4) i like having money for travel, fishing, and adventure 5) I like having the time to do the above 6) my wife and I have no siblings and our parents are old and in poor health and fuck kids |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:34:01 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
OP is a master baiter. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:36:40 PM EST
[#49]
I just did a quick calculation and I will be getting to send another check to the .gov for taxes,since I didn't pay them enough, this year. If I calculate in one child, with no further childcare expanses, I would be getting back over $3K. It kind of sounds like more money is being taken from me, because I don't have children, so that it can be given to those with children. There may be some bolsheviks here, but I don't think it's the ones with no kids.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:37:17 PM EST
[#50]
Every human on the planet has three biologically programmed purposes when they first breath air.
#1 is to survive to reproductive maturity. #2 is to mate and have offspring to continue the cycle. #3 insure that the offspring survive to reproductive maturity. Those that choose to not reproduce take themselves out of that cycle. That inaction is self correcting in the big scheme of things. |
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