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Quoted: You guys don't realize that these people are your next door neighbors? They're your mail man. Your barber. Your grocer. Your local cop. Your kid's elementary school teacher. The dude at 7/11 you buy smokes from every day. This isn't going to be city people vs rural dudes. It's going to be neighbor against neighbor and there aren't uniforms. View Quote |
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Take the outlying airport(s), blockade or destroy ingress/egress (roads, rail), position sniper teams at key points to discourage overland covert travel.
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Destroy the bridge and instantly many enemies. Control the bridge and what goes through it for the lawful government well that is a different situation. Just remember China and other communist countries have been war gaming your destruction for a very long time. Please don't do their work for them.
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Quoted: The commies have no idea what to do with farms, they think food comes from factories. View Quote Fun fact, a ton of midwestern farmers are pretty hardcore Democrats and rely on govt subsidies to make ends meat. A ton of them also only grow field corn, which is kinda worthless in this situation. |
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Quoted: Quoted: You guys don't realize that these people are your next door neighbors? They're your mail man. Your barber. Your grocer. Your local cop. Your kid's elementary school teacher. The dude at 7/11 you buy smokes from every day. This isn't going to be city people vs rural dudes. It's going to be neighbor against neighbor and there aren't uniforms. View Quote That's how civil wars work... Ours was the exception but even then there are countless stories of father against son and the like... Not everyone from the South fought for the Confederacy and not everyone from the North fought for the Union. However, in general terms it was North vs. South and in general terms a new civil war would be cities vs. rural. View Quote Quoted: The civil war 2 would not kick off in such a geographically separated manner. Yes when you look at the sticks it is generally large swaths of red but almost no people. Then you have the cities that are MAJORITY left wing, but there are still more right wingers in the cities and suburbs by far compared to the remote parts of the country. If for some reason it did kick off in a rural vs city manner the right wing parts of the cities would be united with the other city dwellers. You starve people and suddenly they don't give a shit about your politics they want your food and want you dead. So all this cut off the cities stuff is total bullshit. Unfortunately we would need the cities, at least some of them. It is possible there might be a run to different geographical areas similar to the first Israeli / Arab wars but right now the 2 sides are totally mixed. It just is not going to be the nice clean lines that anyone thinks there might be. It would be an absolute fucking mess. Sectarian style terrorism on both sides. View Quote Civil War II in the US will happen only under one set of circumstances: An irreconcilable split in gov and military between two(or more) sides using force against the other to establish control. That would happen after a constitutional crisis that could not be resolved through the existing constitutional legal-political means. Think in terms of peaceful political solution vs military use of force solution. This split can be a state or collection of states vs federal, or a split in the federal government between two sides. The latter is more likely the scenario if things go south soon although the first scenario is also possible. 'and military' has to be included because even if there is a total government split, if the military remains unified under one side only then there is probably no civil war unless the other side is able to rapidly form their own military which is probably unlikely to happen before it's defeated. This talk of civil war one being cities vs rural or neighbor vs neighbor can not be the primary sides of civil war, although those things most certainly can and probably will to some extent happen if civil war between two sides of gov and military begins. As long as government and military stay unified then a situation of unorganized neighbor vs neighbor would be isolated and put down quickly should it grow larger or at the very least not able to create civil war. Violent riots, insurrection, armed people's revolution, terrorism - yes; civil war - no. That requires a total split in government and military between two or more sides at least one of which is willing to use force to defeat the other. There is often talk of how the fat and happy populace wouldn't create civil war so nothing to worry about. Correct in that they won't create civil war but incorrect in insinuating that is needed for civil war when it is not only not needed but is also not what would be the primary determinant anyway. The vast majority of the people could be completely fat and happy but if there is that irreconcilable split in government and military then civil war could and probably would quickly develop. Then the battles would be for control of DC, state capitols, military bases, shipping ports and airports, key manufacturing zones, and all other key sectors. I and others warned many months ago that screwing with the election with this mass mail-in scheme the Great Resetters had created was a dangerous situation that could delegitimize the elections and cause an unresolvable constitutional crisis, split in government, and war or breakup of the country and our constitutional system. The ideal situation now to prevent such a catastrophic scenario would be the Supreme Court ordering a new election be held in those states where mass cheating through the mail-in vote scheme took place, namely Michigan(Detroit), Pennsylvania(Philadelphia), Georgia(Atlanta) and possible Arizona and Nevada and a few other states; and done without the mass mail-in scheme that tempts cheating; done traditionally with most all votes requiring in-person voting with only the traditionally very limited absentee ballots for those who truly and physically cannot vote n person such as out-of-area and bedridden/severally handicapped. Short of that the only way to 'fix' the problem would be to go through and verify each and every single vote of millions of votes in those states were cheating was suspected. This however is not ideal and still very problematic because if tens of thousands of votes were added later than legally allowed yet falsely backdated then this option will not rectify that and there still may be no agreement over the results. An illegitimate election process leads to an illegitimate election with illegitimate results leads potentially to severe constitutional crisis and catastrophe. We knew this was coming long in advance and watched it happen. Their intentions most of this year have been blatantly obvious and highly-coordinated. It's looking more and more like this may have been the primary reason the bioweapon virus was released in the first place. World Economic Forum/World Health Organization/UN Sec General/Communist Party of China/other international socialists and Marxists/Democrat Party USA/Deep State/US TV and Internet media/internet shills all working together towards this amoral goal in the name of the overthrow of the US as we know it. |
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No speculation needed. Selco already has told us how it will be.
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Quoted: Shut down their cell phones/network access and city dwellers won't know what to do. It will be total panic when they can't reach social media to affirm their sense of self worth. View Quote Cut power and fuel, the rest will take care of itself. No power, generators start. No fuel, no generators. |
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Quoted: Major cities are very logistics dependent. Even where I'm at in the burbs most people don't have enough food to go a week without going to the store or out to eat. Drinking water hell I bet most have more TP than water in their house. I've seen the stores wiped out in 24 hours because of an ice storm. Shut down power and water, things would get ugly in a week without the federal government stepping in. View Quote Take care of things properly and all the king's horses and all the king's (or the fed's) men can't do anything in time to stop the chain of events. Lead times to replace destroyed infrastructure like big transformers or aqueduct sections take months or years. The water or power go out that long and the cities are going to look like a scene from "I Am Legend" |
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View Quote Sustainable until a night raider cleans out the entire garden and leaves those peasants w/nothing. |
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Properly placed small explosive charges to take out any major road bridges out of the city, any major roads with out bridges bring in the D9 dozer and make a 10 wide 5 foot deep trench across.
Any smaller roads are easy to block/guard/ambush. Make sure you keep a 5 to 10 mile buffer from the road closure to where you are. Not many will be able to walk that 5 or 10 miles and when/if they do they wont be in any condition to put up a fight or steal anything. There are lots of people here who know how to slow down traffic and not allow a speeding car thru. |
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Exactly where are all the bullet factories located. Those blowing up bridges might just put the have the bullet factory on the wrong side of the bridge.
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Quoted: You guys don't realize that these people are your next door neighbors? They're your mail man. Your barber. Your grocer. Your local cop. Your kid's elementary school teacher. The dude at 7/11 you buy smokes from every day. This isn't going to be city people vs rural dudes. It's going to be neighbor against neighbor and there aren't uniforms. View Quote Vegas Libtards are not neighbors, they are 3 hours away. Locals already have a plan if things go sideways. |
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Quoted: That's how civil wars work... Ours was the exception but even then there are countless stories of father against son and the like... Not everyone from the South fought for the Confederacy and not everyone from the North fought for the Union. However, in general terms it was North vs. South and in general terms a new civil war would be cities vs. rural. View Quote 1861-5 wasn't quite a civil war. It was to the South a war of seccession to leave the Union and to the North a rebellion. The South never sought to overthrow the Federal Government. Semantics set aside, I pray that we never reach a point where it becomes a civil war. One thing 1861-5 has proven is that Americans are very adept at killing Americans. |
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My best friend since 2nd grade works at a downtown Seattle hospital. We were recently talking about a potential clash between leftist mobs and rural folks.
From his experience having to work in ANTIFA ground zero he warned... “If they show up for you they’ll show up looking and talking just like you.” Apparently we’re not the only ones mulling over such possibilities. Their plan is to have enough of their more experienced, motivated already here when the actual mob shows up. They know we have superior firepower and knowledge of our AO, they would aim to turn the tables by sabotaging from within. IMO the only realistic chance of defense in a small town is to break off sectors and control all travel via checkpoints with first hand testimony that passers through are trusted locals. Morale crushing use of force not too early and not too late. They have the media supporting them. Then direct them into an inferior position and sort it out there. If that doesn’t work be prepared to bail further out, regroup and use insider area knowledge to re take an area. Successful defense would require 24/7 high ground observational/long range engagement posts, checkpoints , comprehensive area patrols and inside knowledge of what’s going on beyond the area. It would all have to be well planned and executed with experienced leadership. Probably the best option is an ambush before they get there. It’s all a clusterfuck of bad. |
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Quoted: Fun fact, a ton of midwestern farmers are pretty hardcore Democrats and rely on govt subsidies to make ends meat. A ton of them also only grow field corn, which is kinda worthless in this situation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The commies have no idea what to do with farms, they think food comes from factories. Fun fact, a ton of midwestern farmers are pretty hardcore Democrats and rely on govt subsidies to make ends meat. A ton of them also only grow field corn, which is kinda worthless in this situation. Field corn is perfectly edible and quite tasty. What do you think cornmeal is made from? |
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There was a video posted here in one of the handful or so of CW2 threads (lol). Basically said that the govt has war gamed out CW2 and the Red team holds tremendous advantages and won 90+ percent of the scenarios.
Power and logistics infrastructure is very vulnerable and the red team could bring those down quite easily. I really wish I had bookmarked the video. It was long, but an excellent summary |
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Quoted: Checkpoints. Cut off food supplies, perhaps water as well. As they come pouring out of the cities, capture them and put them in cages. No need to engage in a Stalingrad style fight. At which point I don't know what happens. I suppose some could be enslaved, a few might turn out to be decent people. But most would probably have to be liquidated. Too much soy and bitterness to even be worked to death. View Quote Why not just load up planefulls of them and drop them off at the nearest communist country, say Cuba or Venezuela, without ID or money? Even certain areas of Africa could be fun places for them to reside in. |
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Quoted: Why not just load up planefulls of them and drop them off at the nearest communist country, say Cuba or Venezuela, without ID or money? Even certain areas of Africa could be fun places for them to reside in. View Quote Cuban, Venezuelan and African government officials would show up at the airports and say. "You first world capitalist scum think you can dump your trash on us!? We don't want them! We already have too many useless mouths! Turn around and take them back." At which point they would probably open up the back of the C17 or C130 pull back gently on the control yoke until the screaming stops and continue flying back to the US to pick up another load of cargo. |
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You are making life too hard
ONE fricken squirrel brought down the west coast and high desert a few years ago One HOT summer and this squirrel fries himself causing a cascading overload of 13 states? No electricity, then the gas generators run out. No food, no water, no fuel, no heat or air conditioning depending on season etc |
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Quoted: Do we burn our fields? Or set up perimeters around the iPhone loving, non-growers? View Quote Blow the bridges and overwatch. Or simply demo the roads. The zombies don't like to walk that much. |
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What should us diehard patriots inside cities do? Can we migrate out to the country while the city burns?
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Quoted: You guys and your fantasies. What I was shocked by this election season is how many Biden signs I saw out in rural Missouri, and MO went Republican big time. A real Red Wave unlike liberal bastions like GA or TX. View Quote Yeah, people dmart enough to escape the failed cities, yet dumb enogh to keep voting for policies that created the failures in the first place. |
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Quoted: Cut off roads to prevent invasions. (No food into cities). Cut off electricity (no communications for coordination). Cut off water (no hygiene, high sickness). Wait 6 mos to 1 year. ( allow trucks to haul dead to trash incinerator to electricity plants. View Quote Fixed it for you....why waste the btu's? |
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A couple of D11 dozer's, a couple of tanker trucks with diesel, some concertina wire, a few point defense Ma Duce' at various strategic location's, some armed security guys and all would be well.
Oh wait, that's my plan for the Walking Dead zombies. |
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Quoted: Do we burn our fields? Or set up perimeters around the iPhone loving, non-growers? View Quote Blow the bridges... shoot the boats... |
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Quoted: This ain't rocket science. Pump a few dozen tracers into major substation transformers and the lights go out...for a long, long time. Once the power is out, that's it for cities. View Quote It’s so depressing that its come to this, but I wouldn’t be sad if someone, somewhere, made an example of any particular place to let the powers at be know that there is a line that exists, and it probably shouldn’t be crossed. Really sad, hard times ahead |
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Quoted: What should us diehard patriots inside cities do? Can we migrate out to the country while the city burns? View Quote There's probably a quiz with questions like... "which spring do you spend 30 minutes looking for when assembling an AR and why?" If you cant answer it ... gotta go back. |
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Quoted: There's probably a quiz with questions like... "which spring do you spend 30 minutes looking for when assembling an AR and why?" If you cant answer it ... gotta go back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What should us diehard patriots inside cities do? Can we migrate out to the country while the city burns? There's probably a quiz with questions like... "which spring do you spend 30 minutes looking for when assembling an AR and why?" If you cant answer it ... gotta go back. Word association game. "FU ______" "Get ______" "The ARFCOM _____" "The gun from ______" "Chili ______" <--- This one gets you shot pretty much no matter what. |
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Quoted:Control the bridge and what goes through it for the lawful government View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Who is the "lawful government" in, say, Oregon? On paper, it's the people who want us strung up or otherwise "out of the way". We'd best have our own "government", ready to step in when the shooting starts. To quote Major Von dach Bern (author of Total Resistance), the targets aren't really the enemy personnel, as such....but the enemy's ability to do anything with those personnel: B. Specific targets: 1. Transportation Routes (roads and railroad lines) 2. Communications net (telephone lines above and below ground, telephone and radio stations) 3. Power net 4. Vital industrial plants 5. Repair shops and depots 6. Headquarters 7. Transportation convoys 8. Couriers, messangers, and liaison officers -Total Resistance, Swiss Army Guide to Guerilla Warfare and Underground Operations While Von dach Bern was discussing guerilla and stay behind operations, versus an open struggle for control of the territory between two roughly-equivalent forces (we'll assume the Military is either split evenly or disintegrated)...the principles hold for our example here. |
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Quoted: There's probably a quiz with questions like... "which spring do you spend 30 minutes looking for when assembling an AR and why?" If you cant answer it ... gotta go back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What should us diehard patriots inside cities do? Can we migrate out to the country while the city burns? There's probably a quiz with questions like... "which spring do you spend 30 minutes looking for when assembling an AR and why?" If you cant answer it ... gotta go back. All of them Quoted: A couple of D11 dozer's, a couple of tanker trucks with diesel, some concertina wire, a few point defense Ma Duce' at various strategic location's, some armed security guys and all would be well. Oh wait, that's my plan for the Walking Dead zombies. That works in a place like washington where you have natural choke poins (mountains and valleys). Here in the plains not so much. Most of our bridges are just over passes, the mob would take the service road. The closest natural barriers are really lakes but that's not much.. |
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The corporations that own huge factory farm operations aren't going to shut anything down. Hate to be the bearer of bad news
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Quoted: It would all depend on how many resources could be spared for reeducation. And who is in charge of said reeducation. Based on historical trends it would probably be pretty brutal. I didn't use the word enslavement in my previous post lightly. Yesterday I was talking to my best friend about the end of WW2 and how unusually large numbers of German troops committed suicide at the end of that war. There were many reasons, some obvious, some less so but the big factor, my friend insisted was that most of those German troops were detoxing off of... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image_jpeg-1679426.JPG Those people pouring out of the cities will be running on quite the cocktail of drugs. Legal and illegal. Someone detoxing off of say cocaine could turn out to be harmless compared to someone detoxing off of antidepressants. And the rural dwellers probably aren't going to have any patience for such detoxing beyond perhaps throwing these people into a shack or a cage with a thin blanket, a bottle of water, perhaps some thin gruel and the words. "Good luck!" View Quote You guys out in the middle of nowhere need to lay off whatever you're huffing when you come up with these weird thought processes |
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Quoted: IDK but if the commies do come take your farms it will only be long enough to raid any crops. They sure as hell ain’t going to do the work to grow more. View Quote They wouldn't know how to do shit with a field of corn, beans, or wheat. Maybe a couple of salad fields in CA would be useful to them, but they'd be loath to eat it with no ranch. They only know how to eat food in plastic. |
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Quoted: Checkpoints. Cut off food supplies, perhaps water as well. As they come pouring out of the cities, capture them and put them in cages. No need to engage in a Stalingrad style fight. At which point I don't know what happens. I suppose some could be enslaved, a few might turn out to be decent people. But most would probably have to be liquidated. Too much soy and bitterness to even be worked to death. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: True. So, checkpoints? Checkpoints. Cut off food supplies, perhaps water as well. As they come pouring out of the cities, capture them and put them in cages. No need to engage in a Stalingrad style fight. At which point I don't know what happens. I suppose some could be enslaved, a few might turn out to be decent people. But most would probably have to be liquidated. Too much soy and bitterness to even be worked to death. You have to be careful because that many bodies become an environmental hazard. You need open-pit burning to dispose of them. |
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Quoted: This is my thinking. That's why living in a community which is heavily conservative is a distinct advantage. Edit: Although, I pray that none of this ever happens. View Quote Drive them out and take their shit. They’re unarmed or lightly armed anyways. Pillaging and plundering from those who demand everything be shared wouldn’t make me lose any sleep. You’re fulfilling their manifest destiny. |
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Quoted: this feels like the most likely. you'll get overwhelmed by groups and swarms. Keeping vehicle traffic away from you and large fields of fire so you can keep them from rushing you feel like your best bet, but I'm not sure. You are definitely in trouble if they can drive vehicles up to your house. my only experience with this (and I live in a suburb with houses all around me), was a protracted doorbell ditching campaign launched by several large groups of teenagers several years ago. coming out of my house did nothing. They kept doing it until I actually got outside the house and attacked them from behind (airsoft, nightvision and a blanket) once they started taking airsoft from behind them and they couldn't figure out where, they scattered, 2 or 3 of those and I literally haven't been doorbell ditched since. if my house gets attacked, my plan is to get out away from it and fire on the main force from behind, and try to draw or scare them away with confusion. I have a rifle that's good out to 400 yards with supressed subsonic rounds, I can probably get a dozen of them before they realize they're even being hit, or from where. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: When resources get scarce they will kill their own, their strongest will survive to spread out. With limited supply and knowledge of guns they will be devastated by a few battles and change tactics. Their most effective use of violence will be using vehicles to overwhelm (as in driving a truck into your house) and fire... lighting your house on fire to get you out. this feels like the most likely. you'll get overwhelmed by groups and swarms. Keeping vehicle traffic away from you and large fields of fire so you can keep them from rushing you feel like your best bet, but I'm not sure. You are definitely in trouble if they can drive vehicles up to your house. my only experience with this (and I live in a suburb with houses all around me), was a protracted doorbell ditching campaign launched by several large groups of teenagers several years ago. coming out of my house did nothing. They kept doing it until I actually got outside the house and attacked them from behind (airsoft, nightvision and a blanket) once they started taking airsoft from behind them and they couldn't figure out where, they scattered, 2 or 3 of those and I literally haven't been doorbell ditched since. if my house gets attacked, my plan is to get out away from it and fire on the main force from behind, and try to draw or scare them away with confusion. I have a rifle that's good out to 400 yards with supressed subsonic rounds, I can probably get a dozen of them before they realize they're even being hit, or from where. Please post this on Nextdoor |
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Quoted: That's how civil wars work... Ours was the exception but even then there are countless stories of father against son and the like... Not everyone from the South fought for the Confederacy and not everyone from the North fought for the Union. However, in general terms it was North vs. South and in general terms a new civil war would be cities vs. rural. View Quote Cities vs rural? How about aggressors vs defenders. Who was it who said- if the left wanted peace there’d be peace, and if the right wanted war there’d be no more left |
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