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Posted: 12/12/2017 11:49:28 AM EDT

https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/12/07/army-test-new-jungle-uniform-lighter-jungle-boots-next-year.html

U.S. Army uniform officials will soon begin testing a new hot weather combat uniform that's designed to dry more than 30 percent faster than the current Army Combat Uniform.

In addition to testing the new hot-weather uniform, uniform officials also plan to test five new designs of a lighter jungle boot, known as the Jungle Combat Boot Version 2, in January.

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:50:28 AM EDT

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Goin back to the jungle to fight, eh?

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:52:51 AM EDT

[#2]

Venezuela here we come

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:55:55 AM EDT

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What's the gender of that mannequin?

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:56:03 AM EDT

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Remember before Desert Storm when the fake news was reporting our equipment was going to be decimated by the sand? Helicopter blades were literally going to fall off and all machinery was going to choke and die on sand.

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:56:40 AM EDT

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jethro tull - bungle in the jungle

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Posted: 12/12/2017 11:57:22 AM EDT

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Neutral.

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:57:40 AM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

The 50/50 blend is pretty flammable, this 57/43 blend is going to be highly dangerous when fire is encountered, shit will melt to the wearer's skin.

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:58:15 AM EDT

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"Other"

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:00:23 PM EDT

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It looks like maternity clothes.

Nice job Army.

Everyone involved needs to be relieved or fired.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:08:58 PM EDT

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This is literally being designed for those poor bastards in the 25th ID who have to plod there way through the deepest, darkest jungles of Hawaii. When Kahuku is the worst jungle Soldiers encounter you just know they're fully trained on what to expect in jungle combat.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:11:57 PM EDT

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SSgt Pat

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:12:38 PM EDT

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That's the new GI Pat doll mockup.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:12:40 PM EDT

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Wasn't Multicam Tropic designed for the jungle?

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:13:15 PM EDT

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Some of the materials and features they were testing sounded pretty cool when I read about it last year.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:14:49 PM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

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They will field the 57/43 then eventually spend a shitload more rushing a $$ FR version out in a panic.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:15:24 PM EDT

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I thought the new pattern was good for everything?

Shit, old summer BDU worked fine in jungles

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:15:39 PM EDT

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Just go back to OD or Khaki for everything. After a day in the field it's all a muddy drab mess anyways. It was good enough to kill Germans and Japs and Koreans and Dominicans and Vietnamese for a generation before we had to have a special camo for each and every environment we encounter.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:16:29 PM EDT

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"Gender" is an Imperialist construct that was designed to impose Penile-Capitalist mores onto non-gyndered otherkinn and Persyns of Color. By internalizing these mores PoCs in non-Cisgendered cultures would reject primitive genderfluidity for the Imperialist ding-ding-dong rape culture.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:16:41 PM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

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Taslite
Would be great if it wasnt flammable.
But im sure theres ways to add fire retardants to it.
Other issue would be longevity..
Dont see fabrics like that lasting unless they reinforce stress/wear areas.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:20:35 PM EDT

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Everything works when you're soaked from sweat and humidity, and it turns dark.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:21:30 PM EDT

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lol yup but it dried fairly fast if you got some sun.

I do miss my old OD Jungle boots though

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:23:12 PM EDT

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I'm sorry, flammability should be spec'd out up front. I don't give a shit how much moisture it wicks away and disperses. Last thing you want is shit like that in IED land. When I worked at homeland, at our uniforms were cotton poly blend. Fucking hated it. Always wore cotton boxers, cotton t-shirts under that stuff just in case.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:26:01 PM EDT

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lol yup but it dried fairly fast if you got some sun.

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With you on that.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:26:19 PM EDT

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lol yup but it dried fairly fast if you got some sun.

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I liked the black jungle boots way better than the Mickey Mouse ones.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:27:41 PM EDT

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If the M-14 is still good, then so is this!

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:30:25 PM EDT

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Not changing the pattern, just the material.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:32:42 PM EDT

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I thought the material universality was part of it as well as its pattern. I have been out for a good while so I have no idea what the current stuff is made of.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:32:55 PM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

The 50/50 blend is pretty flammable, this 57/43 blend is going to be highly dangerous when fire is encountered, shit will melt to the wearer's skin.

They will field the 57/43 then eventually spend a shitload more rushing a $$ FR version out in a panic.

Yep. Spend all the money fielding everyone with one jungle uniform and then when they finally go to an operational theater it will of course be fighting insurgents who love their IEDs, and then after a few news stories and a Congressional inquiry, the Army will issue heavy, hot FR uniforms like they do everywhere else.

Just issue them the FR uniforms to start, get them used to wearing it in the jungle along with body armor and all the rest of the shit they'll be expected to wear, so they know their actual limitations and don't need to find them out the initial days of an actual combat operation.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:35:32 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/12/2017 12:36:38 PM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

The 50/50 blend is pretty flammable, this 57/43 blend is going to be highly dangerous when fire is encountered, shit will melt to the wearer's skin.

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Why can't they permanently learn that lesson?

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:36:58 PM EDT

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If multicam, and BDU's had an ugly bastard child. That would be what it looked like!

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:37:53 PM EDT

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So where are we looking at going when we get the uniforms, because you know we aren't going to spend a billion dollars on new jungle jammies and not use them somewhere?

Central America/Caribbean
SE Asia
Indonesia/India
Africa

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:39:25 PM EDT

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I miss BDUs. Take the black out of the pattern and it would be perfect for everywhere except the desert and once they got rid of the Chocolate Chip pattern, the three color was perfect.

Plus I loved the collar insignia and rank. That fag tag in the middle of the chest has to go.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:40:09 PM EDT

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Contracts
Release No: CR-233-17
Dec. 4, 2017

Goodwill Industries of South Florida Inc., Miami, Florida, has been awarded a maximum $18,626,000 firm-fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for Army combat uniform coats and trousers.
This is a one-year contract with no option periods.
Location of performance is Florida, with a May 31, 2019, estimated performance completion date. Using military service is Army.
Type of appropriation is fiscal 2018 through fiscal 2019 defense working capital funds.
The contracting activity is the Defense Logistics Agency Troop Support, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (SPE1C1-18-D-N025).

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:41:50 PM EDT

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Just go back to OD or Khaki for everything. After a day in the field it's all a muddy drab mess anyways. It was good enough to kill Germans and Japs and Koreans and Dominicans and Vietnamese for a generation before we had to have a special camo for each and every environment we encounter.

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Khaki was revolutionary when armies suddenly decided that wearing bright red or blue wasn't such a great idea anymore. Its drab but its not camo. Solid OD green is also not good camouflage, it being solid it doesn't help in the slightest of breaking up outlines, its a shade of green that doesn't really blend in with most green in nature, plus a lot of nature isn't green, so having one solid color that doesn't even match the surrounding causes something called contrast, which the human eye picks up well. As for "good enough to kill..." the lesson of WWII and later conflicts was that enemy wearing good camouflage makes it harder to kill them, while our guys wearing shitty camo makes it easier for them to die. Our guys should be wearing a good base camo uniform to include their battle rattle/armor, they should have burlap strips/camo netting covering their helmet, they should be adding natural vegetation whenever possible as doctrine. And since a significant part of the job of the US military, whether they like it or not, is to fight insurgents who use IEDs that often contain significant chemical accelerants, the base layer needs to be fire resistant so it doesn't melt into the skin like nylon does.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:44:23 PM EDT

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If the M-14 is still good, then so is this!

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tiger stripe ftmfw

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:45:23 PM EDT

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Maybe try a pants design where the crotch doesn't blow out after the third wash.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:46:29 PM EDT

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Venezuela here we come

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North Korea

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:46:47 PM EDT

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Give a fuck meter at 0 except the for the expenditure.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:49:30 PM EDT

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I read an article yesterday about the Marines testing their new jungle uniforms as well. It was all hyped up that they'd be needing them in North Korea.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:51:22 PM EDT

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DoD really should just mandate that all services use the same cut and patterns like they did with BDUs.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:52:46 PM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

The 50/50 blend is pretty flammable, this 57/43 blend is going to be highly dangerous when fire is encountered, shit will melt to the wearer's skin.

Why can't they permanently learn that lesson?

Because the people who run the Army don't think about combat, they think about garrison and training and careers and benefits and jobs after they retire. When they do think about combat its only to get uniform bling and combat evaluation reports, but most its to justify a new equipment purchase or to get more money for training, "Russia is threat, buy us all new vehicles! China is threat, give us new jungle uniforms that melt to skin when insurgent IED's detonate nearby." But when they finally do go to combat its the small war against the enemy they don't like fighting so they bitch about it not being the combat they wanted to fight and which they trained on, complain about wanting the war to end to go back to the good ol' days when they weren't at war. As soon as war ends they go back to training for combat they like and demand they will never again fight the small war, they go out of their way to create a force that isn't built to fight small war. Then they deploy again for the small war and then have to repeat the cycle.

Meanwhile, majors become colonels, colonels become generals, generals become CEOs, and everyone gets paid. And that's the lesson they really learn.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:54:18 PM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

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Meh, he’ll dehydrate before that...

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:54:19 PM EDT

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Sort of unrelated, but there is a good Primary&Secondary podcast on modern jungle war fighting. Boots were discussed at length, basically the us mil does not have a boot in inventory that works in hot wet environments.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:54:59 PM EDT

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This is literally being designed for those poor bastards in the 25th ID who have to plod there way through the deepest, darkest jungles of Hawaii. When Kahuku is the worst jungle Soldiers encounter you just know they're fully trained on what to expect in jungle combat.

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Goin back to the jungle to fight, eh?

This is literally being designed for those poor bastards in the 25th ID who have to plod there way through the deepest, darkest jungles of Hawaii. When Kahuku is the worst jungle Soldiers encounter you just know they're fully trained on what to expect in jungle combat.

Hawaii jungle to Panama, Borneo, or New Guinea jungle is basically the same as the Wiggles are to Slayer.

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:56:24 PM EDT

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Yo...rumble in the jungle...

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:57:22 PM EDT

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It's a droid don't need no gender its only mission is to kill - it can be outfitted for any gender most suitable to the mission

Posted: 12/12/2017 1:04:21 PM EDT

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"The new uniform's fabric is 57 percent Nylon and 43 percent cotton, which dries about 30 minutes faster than the ACU's 90-minute dry time under lab conditions, uniform officials maintain."

The 50/50 blend is pretty flammable, this 57/43 blend is going to be highly dangerous when fire is encountered, shit will melt to the wearer's skin.

Meh, he’ll dehydrate before that...

Yep, largely because he's been trained to consume an amount of water that is nearly impossible to support in an actual combat environment. While noble in preventing dehydration related heat injuries in training it leads to a force who has no idea how to function without large amounts of drinking water until they are in combat, which is the last place anyone wants to learn to deal with adverse situations, that's literally what training is designed to do, prepare one for battle.

*Though its usually a bit easier to find water in jungles than anywhere else, we are definitely overly hydrated.

Posted: 12/12/2017 1:07:49 PM EDT

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Just issue everyone uniforms made out of FORTREX like the A2CUs and call it a day. Lightweight, breathable, fast drying, and most importantly, permanently fire resistant.

Posted: 12/12/2017 1:08:10 PM EDT

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You're over-hydrated because we have slogans like "we train like we fight" while saying dehydration is a preventable casualty and any instance thereof is an instant CoC career ender. We should be using those minor injuries and casualties as training opportunities for platoons and companies to figure out just how far they can push troops physically and what to do when they hit that wall instead of making examples of commanders who do just that.

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