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They use magnets to raise and lower the hook so it only catches the 3 wire on Tuesdays. Third Wire Thursdays!! Two Wire Tuesdays. Bolter wave off Wednesdays? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Also on a Hornet, the fuel tanks depressurize when the hook is down. Not sure about other aircraft.
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94 How big of a lever do you reckon it took to pry the seat cushions out of their asses? |
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote I've got a hook point from a F-4 that I use as a door stop. It's much beefier than the hook point from a F-18. Just a tight fit with a single 5/8"cross bolt, lock washer, and a castellated nut. |
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the landing gear had to get wet on that one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94 the landing gear had to get wet on that one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Probably took 3 hours to break the pilots vacuum lock on his seat. When he ran off the deck I bet you couldn't have driven a greased straight pin up his but with a 20 ton hydraulic press. |
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No and no....Pilots training for CQ's or carrier qualifications practice FCLP or field carrier landing practice where they perform touch and go landings for their ball flying. The only reason a Naval Aviator would purposefully take a field arrestment, is if there was an emergency like single engine or landing gear malfunction. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. http://www.120thairliftwing.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/120304-Z-UJ603-075.JPG Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. No and no....Pilots training for CQ's or carrier qualifications practice FCLP or field carrier landing practice where they perform touch and go landings for their ball flying. The only reason a Naval Aviator would purposefully take a field arrestment, is if there was an emergency like single engine or landing gear malfunction. Or they are attending a CAX at 29 Palms and land on the EAF. |
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They firewall it to go around I think. That's why you hear the motors go full gas as he catches a hook ........... just in case he doesn't catch the hook. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? They firewall it to go around I think. That's why you hear the motors go full gas as he catches a hook ........... just in case he doesn't catch the hook. Sunday!Sunday!Sunday! is for bolters. |
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Not really an Arresting hook, it's more of a " Being Detained " hook
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On older planes you had 'drop only.'
No real way to raise it up except maybe flying inverted. It was regarded at the time as 'risky' to put that much hardware on the hook. Punch the button and it MUST drop. |
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Gratuitous Gulf war Tomcat shot http://chamorrobible.org/images/photos/gpw-20060914-UnitedStatesNavy-DN-SC-04-15221-burning-oil-wells-F-14A-Tomcat-Operation-Desert-Storm-Kuwait-19910201-other.jpg View Quote Obviously a photoshop. <<< see avatar |
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It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? |
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Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? AmericanCheese is correct. There is a 10 trap inspection on the hook point. Replacement of the hook point is based on the outcome of these inpections. The tailhook itself is, like he said built like a tank and its attament to the aircraft is much more involved that just a bolt. |
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I have one as well. (9mm added for size reference) http://i67.tinypic.com/n6e1qx.jpg This is a hook point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. I have one as well. (9mm added for size reference) http://i67.tinypic.com/n6e1qx.jpg This is a hook point. |
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94 Dammit, I'm too slow, I came here to post a link to that event. |
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Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? Lol, no. The hook point is replaced after 10 traps or if the D/T turns up a worn one. We're talking about the hook point. |
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AmericanCheese is correct. There is a 10 trap inspection on the hook point. Replacement of the hook point is based on the outcome of these inpections. The tailhook itself is, like he said built like a tank and its attament to the aircraft is much more involved that just a bolt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? AmericanCheese is correct. There is a 10 trap inspection on the hook point. Replacement of the hook point is based on the outcome of these inpections. The tailhook itself is, like he said built like a tank and its attament to the aircraft is much more involved that just a bolt. Yeah, we're talking about the point. I'm sure we understand each other now. ETA: OP, the hook shank its self doesn't skid across the ground, the hook point (pictured above) does. Sorry for the confusion guys. img host |
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Back during WWII, fliers would drop their hooks and do a flyby of the carrier to indicate that they wanted to recover to the carrier. Don't they still do that today, at least sometimes, to preserve radio silence etc.? I always figured that was the reason for the stripes on the arresting hook (to make it more conspicuous when down).
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. I have one as well. (9mm added for size reference) http://i67.tinypic.com/n6e1qx.jpg that's hilarious i have also have one I was an Airframer |
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. I have one as well. (9mm added for size reference) http://i67.tinypic.com/n6e1qx.jpg that's hilarious i have also have one I was an Airframer Ya, it was about to make a big "splash" until I interviened lol |
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Yep. Not only does the wire stop the jet, it does so with the jet at full power, afterburner off. Pretty amazing stuff. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? They firewall it to go around I think. That's why you hear the motors go full gas as he catches a hook ........... just in case he doesn't catch the hook. Yep. Not only does the wire stop the jet, it does so with the jet at full power, afterburner off. Pretty amazing stuff. Is there a lot of g force during this |
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94 I wonder if they ever got the wadded up seat cushions out of the crew's asses? |
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Lol, no. The hook point is replaced after 10 traps or if the D/T turns up a worn one. We're talking about the hook point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? Lol, no. The hook point is replaced after 10 traps or if the D/T turns up a worn one. We're talking about the hook point. On what platform? On E2/C2's it absolutely does not get replaced after 10 traps because there is no hook "point", but rather, the tailhook is one solid piece. I've been flying C2's for 14 years.......... |
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. View Quote Once again no....Arresting hooks are built like tanks, and have special inspections for removal in the hundreds (not Ten). There is a 10 trap inspection though where a depth gauge is used to determine wear patterns. Where exactly do you guys come up with this bullshit? View Quote Lol, no. The hook point is replaced after 10 traps or if the D/T turns up a worn one. We're talking about the hook point. View Quote On what platform? On E2/C2's it absolutely does not get replaced after 10 traps because there is no hook "point", but rather, the tailhook is one solid piece. I've been flying C2's for 14 years.......... View Quote image hosting free Huh. I never noticed that. Is the Hawkeye the same? You guys also land a lot slower so I guess it's less blunt force. Next time you're on a flight deck, take a look at the hooks on the other birds. They use replaceable hook points (as pictured above). By the way, former Hornet full system QAR, Safe For Flight, Final Checker (ashore and afloat), High/Low power Instructor and NATOPS Instructor here. Have you never been in the Ready Room and seen a hook point hanging over a pilot's seat because he bolters a lot? Do you even 130-300 bro? Fly Safe. ETA: If you look at the hook points pictured above, the wear indicator is a 90deg piece of the hook point which drags against the deck/runway. When it's worn down to flat it gets replaced. The shank its self gets NDI'd every so often, but I forget the cycle. If it hits the fan tail it just gets ripped off right away. |
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We had a USMC captain bolt so many times that when he caught the wire the bolt holding the shoe shot of and hit the conning tower. We actually heard it during flight ops. Needless to say he was given a large dose of feces for his landing ability. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94 We had a USMC captain bolt so many times that when he caught the wire the bolt holding the shoe shot of and hit the conning tower. We actually heard it during flight ops. Needless to say he was given a large dose of feces for his landing ability. that's what he gets for trying to land on a sub. |
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Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. http://www.120thairliftwing.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/120304-Z-UJ603-075.JPG Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. http://www.120thairliftwing.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/120304-Z-UJ603-075.JPG Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. Kharn |
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. there are airfields with arresting wires - Goodyear AZ, for example. I thought Goodyear only had old retired airliners?!?! |
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. It happens all the time. It's called a "Field Arrestment". There are many different types of field arresting gear, the BAK 12 and 14 and E-28 being the most common. http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.download&key=629277ED-4809-49BA-AECB-B9570A1B867E |
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94 I watched that and my butt puckered when he dropped over the deck. Then he reappeared and my heart leapt, and I said (out loud, and I'm alone), "HOLY FAWK--HE MADE IT! HE MADE IT!!" Do they always make it--especially one with fans? |
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That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. It would look a lot like this. http://i.imgur.com/LLXaUH7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/a8mNTvl.jpg No, the Navy pilot would have a sink rate of 500-700 feet per minute and would slam that bitch to the deck right before the wire, so sparkage would be minimal. |
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94 the landing gear had to get wet on that one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile So did the crew seats. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. It would look a lot like this. http://i.imgur.com/LLXaUH7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/a8mNTvl.jpg No, the Navy pilot would have a sink rate of 500-700 feet per minute and would slam that bitch to the deck right before the wire, so sparkage would be minimal. Yep, they only land one way. And it doesn't matter if they have 12K+ of runway. |
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