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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:29:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:34:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure it does. Congress has the power to pass laws. The Constitution doesn’t prohibit the government from banning abortion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The constitution doesn't give the government any power for regulating abortion. Sure it does. Congress has the power to pass laws. The Constitution doesn’t prohibit the government from banning abortion. Your copy of the constitution must be different than mine. THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:43:19 PM EST
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:54:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your copy of the constitution must be different than mine. THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The constitution doesn't give the government any power for regulating abortion. Sure it does. Congress has the power to pass laws. The Constitution doesn’t prohibit the government from banning abortion. Your copy of the constitution must be different than mine. THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. How does that disagree with what I said? Can congress pass a law banning abortion? Yes they can. They can’t force States to enforce it, but they can pass a Law making it a federal crime, and that does not violate the 10th. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 4:56:04 PM EST
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Why are people conflating abortion "rights" verses an Enumerated Right like the 2A...I just don't get it.
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:09:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are people conflating abortion "rights" verses an Enumerated Right like the 2A...I just don't get it. Well, the actual United States Supreme Court managed to find the right to abortion (via privacy with the treating physician) in there somehow, and that ruling stood for *decades*. I don’t recall anyone here referring to it as a Constitution right. Many of the posts are referencing the reality that abortion, especially in the first trimester, has very strong support, and that doesn’t appear to be waning. Evil or not, it’s not going away. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:35:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was abortion actually on the ballots in any of the recent elections, or has the media whipped the irrational leftist into an outrage over nothing like usual? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP is trying to make a point regarding abortions. Having abortion on the ballot is a huge loser for the GOP, and if we keep losing elections, eventually dems will have a large enough majority to put into a place an AWB So we either have to change our messaging on abortion or stand by and watch as our 2A rights get slowly whittled away. In my opinion the poll serves to point that out. Was abortion actually on the ballots in any of the recent elections, or has the media whipped the irrational leftist into an outrage over nothing like usual? Many of the candidates ran on an anti abortion agenda. Or at least let their opponent paint them that way. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:52:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither. That way leads inexorably to COC violations. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:05:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither. It's not an either or. If Republicans don't stfu about abortions, we're going to get an assault rifle ban. In reality we are highly likely to get both, whether we're happy about it or not. Might not happen at the same time, buy does anyone actually see this crazy shit that is happening slowing down at all? Sorry to be a doomer. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:15:56 PM EST
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Quoted: What would you pick? It doesn't matter because I don't own any assault weapons and I can't have an abortion. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:18:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is trying to make a point regarding abortions. Having abortion on the ballot is a huge loser for the GOP, and if we keep losing elections, eventually dems will have a large enough majority to put into a place an AWB So we either have to change our messaging on abortion or stand by and watch as our 2A rights get slowly whittled away. In my opinion the poll serves to point that out. That's how I saw it too. Lots of folks saying "fuck both." Well ok, I totally get that, but in reality there is no "no to both." It is never going to work out that way. That's a pipe dream. And in all likelihood we will actually get both in due time, especially if we keep playing this stupid game. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:19:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fuck is with all of these unhinged abortion threads lately? We should have an abortion threads forum. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:21:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Poll fail. No on both. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:23:06 PM EST
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:24:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does that disagree with what I said? Can congress pass a law banning abortion? Yes they can. They can’t force States to enforce it, but they can pass a Law making it a federal crime, and that does not violate the 10th. Lol. No. This is a government of specifically enumerated powers. Abortion is not listed as one of those powers. Can the government order you to be sterilized or forced pregnancy? I don't see those powers listed either. No, Congress can't just vote themselves what ever they want. The constitution says exactly the opposite. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:28:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Poll fail. No on both. Some people support Plan B. I'm in favor of Option C: retroactive abortions for folks proposing AWBs. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:30:41 PM EST
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IDGAF if leftists want to remove themselves from the gene pool.
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:33:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolute poll fail. Neither. Freedom of choice. Choice to have an abortion or not. Choice to own an "assault rifle" or not. Not having the government make the choice for you. That's what it comes down to, and the anti-abortion fanatics here are no better than the leftist anti-gunners. FFS With the possible exception of my Garand, none of my guns have killed anybody. EVERY abortion kills somebody. There is a difference. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:41:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. No. This is a government of specifically enumerated powers. Abortion is not listed as one of those powers. Can the government order you to be sterilized or forced pregnancy? I don't see those powers listed either. No, Congress can't just vote themselves what ever they want. The constitution says exactly the opposite. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does that disagree with what I said? Can congress pass a law banning abortion? Yes they can. They can’t force States to enforce it, but they can pass a Law making it a federal crime, and that does not violate the 10th. Lol. No. This is a government of specifically enumerated powers. Abortion is not listed as one of those powers. Can the government order you to be sterilized or forced pregnancy? I don't see those powers listed either. No, Congress can't just vote themselves what ever they want. The constitution says exactly the opposite. The Constitution does not prohibit Congress from passing a law banning abortion. Change this: 1 U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant …and you qualify for THIS: 18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder There is not a single instance of case law that supports your interpretation of the 10th Amendment. Not one in 200 years. A simple legislative change to definitions and that’s that. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:46:56 PM EST
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Neither. You never give up freedom. You never stop fighting for freedom. You never give evil a victory. There are people so soft on freedom, that they are like soldiers who run from the battle to even consider giving up freedom. Until you are a slave they will keep coming back to take what is not theirs. They are thieves of the soul and enemies of humanity.
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:48:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Republicans want to win elections, they should be more like Democrats on guns and totally ban assault weapons. That's what the majority of the public wants. -GD logic since Tuesday night GD logic was cool with the incumbent R president saying to take guns first due process second. No amount of mental gymnastics shock me here. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 7:03:35 PM EST
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I know our right to keep and bear arms is the 2nd amendment. That said which amendment is abortion listed under as a protected right in our Bill of Rights
Also who are the pos on a progun site that voted to ban guns essentially doing away with the 2nd amendment. Show your selves. I'm going just by the poll, not my personal feelings. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 7:27:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know our right to keep and bear arms is the 2nd amendment. That said which amendment is abortion listed under as a protected right in our Bill of Rights Also who are the pos on a progun site that voted to ban guns essentially doing away with the 2nd amendment. Show your selves. I'm going just by the poll, not my personal feelings. Do your own homework. Where do you find the "right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness?" It is so fundamental it is the foundation of all our freedoms. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 8:10:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know our right to keep and bear arms is the 2nd amendment. That said which amendment is abortion listed under as a protected right in our Bill of Rights Also who are the pos on a progun site that voted to ban guns essentially doing away with the 2nd amendment. Show your selves. I'm going just by the poll, not my personal feelings. Did I misunderstand the poll? I thought we were choosing between fighting for gun rights or fighting for the unborn's right to life. I have the energy to fight for both, but I would gladly take an AWB if it means a ban on abortion, in this hypothetical. It doesn't even require a moment's thought. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 10:06:43 PM EST
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Baby-killers shouldn't have access to firearms, so I guess the American electorate will get what it deserves. The 20th Century is clear, God-less socialists that sponsor state sanctioned infanticide don't support it's citizenry having firearms, but hey maybe Sig will bring back the P-239. John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” It's not women, and it's not black people; atheists are just fucking dumb about ethics.
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Posted: 11/9/2023 10:39:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do your own homework. Where do you find the "right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness?" It is so fundamental it is the foundation of all our freedoms. Exactly. But the murdered babies don't even get life, do they? |
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