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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:32:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThat's a bullshit picture. That's one of those Cox wire controlled aircraft. You can even see the wire! |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:33:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When are they expected in service and how many 2032. Initial buy is eleventy billion, congress and the USAF will cut it down to 3. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:34:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recommended that they name it the B-21 Nunn-McCurdy Breacher but Raider won out.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sweet titty sprinkles...that's a beautifully simple and elegant aircraft. I like the Raider designation, but B-21 Titty Sprinkles would be pretty cool too.  If it was up to votes then Bomby McBombface would have won easily. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:34:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. People would rather tax payers spend $70,000-$130,000 per hour of flight for a less capable system, just due to nostalgia, versus lack of nostalgia at $10k/hr to operate. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:34:55 AM EST
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Leading edge profile is a bit concave on the bottom vs normally convex shape. Gives an odd reflection in the morning sun.
Neat bird. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:35:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it was up to votes then Bomby McBombface would have won easily. Baby Killing McBombface would work for me. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:35:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it just me or does that thing not look real? Unless its shimmering from some kind of undisclosed, predator-esque cloaking device that is malfunctioning a bit. It's phasing. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:35:25 AM EST
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Damn that is beautiful. I hope they buy 200 of them.
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:35:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2032. Initial buy is eleventy billion, congress and the USAF will cut it down to 3. There's already 5 more being assbled, this was #1, rumor is of these 6 initial ones, about 4 could be rolled out in a month. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:36:04 AM EST
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If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21?
Seriously. 
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:36:50 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People would rather tax payers spend $70,000-$130,000 per hour of flight for a less capable system, just due to nostalgia, versus lack of nostalgia at $10k/hr to operate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. People would rather tax payers spend $70,000-$130,000 per hour of flight for a less capable system, just due to nostalgia, versus lack of nostalgia at $10k/hr to operate. Taxpayers would rather not fund terrorists that we later have to bomb at 10K an hour. But maybe that is just me. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:37:41 AM EST
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AI is used by the military also.
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:37:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it has worms it's a wire and air data drogue Timmy Tapeworm |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:38:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Baby Killing McBombface would work for me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it was up to votes then Bomby McBombface would have won easily. Baby Killing McBombface would work for me. Of the 4,600 names that were suggested by Airmen, that was not on the list somehow. https://gizmodo.com/heres-the-list-of-4-600-names-submitted-for-the-b-21-i-1786912523 |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:38:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/16ca812d-9f66-4685-bcae-55ea22752ae3_1.697c3edc49195efc37c038a25c1cf8f7.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff The B-21 will replace the B-2 once its nuclear rated. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:40:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/16ca812d-9f66-4685-bcae-55ea22752ae3_1.697c3edc49195efc37c038a25c1cf8f7.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff To bomb mud huts |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:41:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the 4,600 names that were suggested by Airmen, that was not on the list somehow. https://gizmodo.com/heres-the-list-of-4-600-names-submitted-for-the-b-21-i-1786912523 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If it was up to votes then Bomby McBombface would have won easily. Baby Killing McBombface would work for me. Of the 4,600 names that were suggested by Airmen, that was not on the list somehow. https://gizmodo.com/heres-the-list-of-4-600-names-submitted-for-the-b-21-i-1786912523  |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:41:46 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The B-21 will replace the B-2 once its nuclear rated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/16ca812d-9f66-4685-bcae-55ea22752ae3_1.697c3edc49195efc37c038a25c1cf8f7.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff The B-21 will replace the B-2 once its nuclear rated. 
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:42:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/16ca812d-9f66-4685-bcae-55ea22752ae3_1.697c3edc49195efc37c038a25c1cf8f7.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff B-21 will be replacing both the B-1 and B-2. Both those aircraft are getting old. The B-1 saw hard use in the global war on terror. They are also upgrading the B-52 fleet with new avionics and engines. So I suppose those things will just fly forever. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:43:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hahaha, maybe that's what they should name the small diameter bombs this thing will drop  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sweet titty sprinkles...that's a beautifully simple and elegant aircraft. I like the Raider designation, but B-21 Titty Sprinkles would be pretty cool too. Hahaha, maybe that's what they should name the small diameter bombs this thing will drop I just spit up my Diet Dr Pepper reading that. Imagining the AAR brief. "And we delivered 32 Titty Sprinkles...." |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:44:16 AM EST
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LordEC911 Quoted:
When are they expected in service and how many 2027 is current projection. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:44:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: B-21 will be replacing both the B-1 and B-2. Both those aircraft are getting old. The B-1 saw hard use in the global war on terror. They are also upgrading the B-52 fleet with new avionics and engines. So I suppose those things will just fly forever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/16ca812d-9f66-4685-bcae-55ea22752ae3_1.697c3edc49195efc37c038a25c1cf8f7.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff B-21 will be replacing both the B-1 and B-2. Both those aircraft are getting old. The B-1 saw hard use in the global war on terror. They are also upgrading the B-52 fleet with new avionics and engines. So I suppose those things will just fly forever. "B-1, you are getting old, go sit on the bench. Not you B-52, just grad some Gatorade." |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:44:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: B-21 will be replacing both the B-1 and B-2. Both those aircraft are getting old. The B-1 saw hard use in the global war on terror. They are also upgrading the B-52 fleet with new avionics and engines. So I suppose those things will just fly forever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/16ca812d-9f66-4685-bcae-55ea22752ae3_1.697c3edc49195efc37c038a25c1cf8f7.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff B-21 will be replacing both the B-1 and B-2. Both those aircraft are getting old. The B-1 saw hard use in the global war on terror. They are also upgrading the B-52 fleet with new avionics and engines. So I suppose those things will just fly forever. Part of me wishes they didn't build the B21. Instead of a modernized B2 how cool would a modernized B1A be? 
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:45:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Part of me wishes they didn't build the B21. Instead of a modernized B2 how cool would a modernized B1A be? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/16ca812d-9f66-4685-bcae-55ea22752ae3_1.697c3edc49195efc37c038a25c1cf8f7.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff B-21 will be replacing both the B-1 and B-2. Both those aircraft are getting old. The B-1 saw hard use in the global war on terror. They are also upgrading the B-52 fleet with new avionics and engines. So I suppose those things will just fly forever. Part of me wishes they didn't build the B21. Instead of a modernized B2 how cool would a modernized B1A be? BONER  
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:45:48 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have the b2 and the f35 why do we need the b21? Seriously. Replacing both the B1 and B2 by ~2035. B2 service life got killed when they cut the project and built only 21 of them. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:47:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just spit up my Diet Dr Pepper reading that. Imagining the AAR brief. "And we delivered 32 Titty Sprinkles...." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sweet titty sprinkles...that's a beautifully simple and elegant aircraft. I like the Raider designation, but B-21 Titty Sprinkles would be pretty cool too. Hahaha, maybe that's what they should name the small diameter bombs this thing will drop I just spit up my Diet Dr Pepper reading that. Imagining the AAR brief. "And we delivered 32 Titty Sprinkles...." Can you imagine "Titty Sprinkle Cluster Glitter Munitions"? |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:47:18 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: B-21 will be replacing both the B-1 and B-2. Both those aircraft are getting old. The B-1 saw hard use in the global war on terror. They are also upgrading the B-52 fleet with new avionics and engines. So I suppose those things will just fly forever. The BUFF has historically met some interesting requirements with its wing hardpoints. I suspect those alone keep the jet relevant. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:47:55 AM EST
[#28]
Cool!!!!
Was part of the team that built structural engine components... big, expensive, hot section parts. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:48:05 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Replacing both the B1 and B2 by ~2035. B2 service life got killed when they cut the project and built only 21 of them. It was also early generation stealth that is harder to maintain. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:48:20 AM EST
[#30]
That is beautiful.
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:48:38 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours. The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. Nope this thing will probably do more work than F35 vs China. We are going to be really tight on keeping air bases inside missile range of China operational. Surface ships aren’t going to be in range to be launch platforms for cruise missiles until we can break the Chinese kill chains for their anti ship missiles. So our strike potential is limited to. The sub fleet and whatever our aircraft can launch. This will be a nice missile truck that even a single one likely will put more warheads on foreheads in a month than even a SSGN could. I’d be very interested in seeing if they could fill the weapons bay with a long range air to air missile that could be guided by F35, drive or AEGIS to help clear swarms of Chinese fighters. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:48:46 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it just me or does that thing not look real? Unless its shimmering from some kind of undisclosed, predator-esque cloaking device that is malfunctioning a bit. That mother fucker is not real!! |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:51:27 AM EST
[#33]
It is awesome, but what does it do that missiles don't do?
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:51:59 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours. lol |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:52:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've read 300 ordered. Quote HistoryQuoted: LordEC911 Quoted: When are they expected in service and how many ~100. Sources vary between 80-120. Only ~$600m each. 2027 is current projection. I've read 300 ordered. Current project costs are estimated based on ~100 aircraft with the last being delivered in ~10years. They could always order more and some officials seem to indicate that might happen. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:54:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People would rather tax payers spend $70,000-$130,000 per hour of flight for a less capable system, just due to nostalgia, versus lack of nostalgia at $10k/hr to operate. Not to mention B-52 is going to be detectable by over the Horizon radar. If they can detect it they can attack it and our F35s are lacking the range to escort them. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:55:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Part of me wishes they didn't build the B21. Instead of a modernized B2 how cool would a modernized B1A be? I gave it some thought a few years ago. It would be a whole new aircraft seeing as how practically all aspects of aircraft design have advanced considerably since the 70s. I envisioned something with a tri motor arrangement. 3 F-35 engines with the ability to throttle back the 2 side engines and use the center engine only to enhance loiter time. Never did decide what kind of a wing would be used. Though I prefer fixed geometry over variable geometry from a maintenance perspective. Some stealth considerations. But mostly oriented for speed. Armed with a variety of things and similar sensors to the F-35 only with much more computing power behind it. It would probably have a laser based close in defensive system. Though I'm not sure about the legality of those. I think that weapons that can blind people are something of a no no. Loaded with air to air missiles like the Meteor with the aforementioned laser defense system it would probably qualify as an arsenal bird. Theoretically it could be used to stomp the shit out of a large force of relatively primitive aircraft in the air. All this capability would be horrifyingly expensive of course. The human race probably won't be ready for something like this for at least a few decades, perhaps centuries. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:55:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the 4,600 names that were suggested by Airmen, that was not on the list somehow. https://gizmodo.com/heres-the-list-of-4-600-names-submitted-for-the-b-21-i-1786912523 |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:02:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just spit up my Diet Dr Pepper reading that. Imagining the AAR brief. "And we delivered 32 Titty Sprinkles...." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sweet titty sprinkles...that's a beautifully simple and elegant aircraft. I like the Raider designation, but B-21 Titty Sprinkles would be pretty cool too. Hahaha, maybe that's what they should name the small diameter bombs this thing will drop I just spit up my Diet Dr Pepper reading that. Imagining the AAR brief. "And we delivered 32 Titty Sprinkles...." See, I'm not the only one who thinks it's a good idea. Let's get a White House petition going on this. The new GBU-87 Titty Sprinkle...coming to a low intensity conflict near you! |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:04:22 PM EST
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Long range strike family of systems networking, long range standoff nuclear tipped cruise missiles and if all that fails, conventional bombing.
They need to get these fuckers into service quickly, before the Chicoms decide their window of opportunity is closing. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:06:42 PM EST
[#41]
TMFINR
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:14:24 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:14:32 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TMFINR 
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:15:20 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is awesome, but what does it do that missiles don't do? Launch missiles? |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:15:53 PM EST
[#45]
What was flying next to it?
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:15:58 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope this thing will probably do more work than F35 vs China. We are going to be really tight on keeping air bases inside missile range of China operational. Surface ships aren’t going to be in range to be launch platforms for cruise missiles until we can break the Chinese kill chains for their anti ship missiles. So our strike potential is limited to. The sub fleet and whatever our aircraft can launch. This will be a nice missile truck that even a single one likely will put more warheads on foreheads in a month than even a SSGN could. I’d be very interested in seeing if they could fill the weapons bay with a long range air to air missile that could be guided by F35, drive or AEGIS to help clear swarms of Chinese fighters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours. The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. Nope this thing will probably do more work than F35 vs China. We are going to be really tight on keeping air bases inside missile range of China operational. Surface ships aren’t going to be in range to be launch platforms for cruise missiles until we can break the Chinese kill chains for their anti ship missiles. So our strike potential is limited to. The sub fleet and whatever our aircraft can launch. This will be a nice missile truck that even a single one likely will put more warheads on foreheads in a month than even a SSGN could. I’d be very interested in seeing if they could fill the weapons bay with a long range air to air missile that could be guided by F35, drive or AEGIS to help clear swarms of Chinese fighters. No aircraft is putting warheads on foreheads…none. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on it. You aren’t defeating China with a manned aircraft as you can’t keep an airbase close enough to make it work and refueling in the air is visible IE killable. The Pacific is a Navy fight where submarine launched weapons are the most viable delivery systems. A hypersonic missile from a submarine is likely the only viable strike option. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:17:20 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Long range strike family of systems networking, long range standoff nuclear tipped cruise missiles and if all that fails, conventional bombing. They need to get these fuckers into service quickly, before the Chicoms decide their window of opportunity is closing. This guy gets it. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:18:20 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to mention B-52 is going to be detectable by over the Horizon radar. If they can detect it they can attack it and our F35s are lacking the range to escort them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People would rather tax payers spend $70,000-$130,000 per hour of flight for a less capable system, just due to nostalgia, versus lack of nostalgia at $10k/hr to operate. Not to mention B-52 is going to be detectable by over the Horizon radar. If they can detect it they can attack it and our F35s are lacking the range to escort them. It's not initially being planned to replace the BUFF. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:18:40 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I gave it some thought a few years ago. It would be a whole new aircraft seeing as how practically all aspects of aircraft design have advanced considerably since the 70s. I envisioned something with a tri motor arrangement. 3 F-35 engines with the ability to throttle back the 2 side engines and use the center engine only to enhance loiter time. Never did decide what kind of a wing would be used. Though I prefer fixed geometry over variable geometry from a maintenance perspective. Some stealth considerations. But mostly oriented for speed. Armed with a variety of things and similar sensors to the F-35 only with much more computing power behind it. It would probably have a laser based close in defensive system. Though I'm not sure about the legality of those. I think that weapons that can blind people are something of a no no. Loaded with air to air missiles like the Meteor with the aforementioned laser defense system it would probably qualify as an arsenal bird. Theoretically it could be used to stomp the shit out of a large force of relatively primitive aircraft in the air. All this capability would be horrifyingly expensive of course. The human race probably won't be ready for something like this for at least a few decades, perhaps centuries. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Part of me wishes they didn't build the B21. Instead of a modernized B2 how cool would a modernized B1A be? I gave it some thought a few years ago. It would be a whole new aircraft seeing as how practically all aspects of aircraft design have advanced considerably since the 70s. I envisioned something with a tri motor arrangement. 3 F-35 engines with the ability to throttle back the 2 side engines and use the center engine only to enhance loiter time. Never did decide what kind of a wing would be used. Though I prefer fixed geometry over variable geometry from a maintenance perspective. Some stealth considerations. But mostly oriented for speed. Armed with a variety of things and similar sensors to the F-35 only with much more computing power behind it. It would probably have a laser based close in defensive system. Though I'm not sure about the legality of those. I think that weapons that can blind people are something of a no no. Loaded with air to air missiles like the Meteor with the aforementioned laser defense system it would probably qualify as an arsenal bird. Theoretically it could be used to stomp the shit out of a large force of relatively primitive aircraft in the air. All this capability would be horrifyingly expensive of course. The human race probably won't be ready for something like this for at least a few decades, perhaps centuries. YES |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 12:19:59 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Looks like a DCS module overlayed with actual ground footage....but who knows. Figure the DoD would want to pimp the first flight like they did the ground roll out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it just me or does that thing not look real? Unless its shimmering from some kind of undisclosed, predator-esque cloaking device that is malfunctioning a bit. Thought the same. Think it is likely the lens and the zoom causing that effect. Agreed. Looks like a DCS module overlayed with actual ground footage....but who knows. Figure the DoD would want to pimp the first flight like they did the ground roll out. |
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