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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:36:40 PM EST
[#1]
I suppose this means that our weapons work and we’ve closed the air space. That’s some legit capability.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:37:43 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you guys need a hobby other than sitting around hoping for a war you won't even participate in. You are going to hurt some feelings with that one. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:43:23 PM EST
[#3]
The story is weird. Why fire towards Israel, or did they fire towards Riyadh who they really hate?
The distance is pretty far and probably too far. I doubt Iran would greenlight a mission against the Saudis at this very moment but hey, who knows. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:47:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The story is weird. Why fire towards Israel, or did they fire towards Riyadh who they really hate? The distance is pretty far and probably too far. I doubt Iran would greenlight a mission against the Saudis at this very moment but hey, who knows. The Saudis and Iranians have a new peace deal brokered by the Chinese they are going with, at least for the moment. https://apnews.com/article/china-iran-saudi-diplomatic-relations-beijing-d12dc5dc4049052c6228caceaa2a2b9f |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:52:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should invade Yemen and then spend 15 years there and add 20 trillion to the debt, then import several million of them here as refugees. That will show them! If you don't want to win another war it would work. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:55:40 PM EST
[#6]
My buddy says:
"Same type of missiles used in the Gulf of Tonkin?" |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:55:56 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether the missiles were targeting our ship, or, more likely, a target in Israel... Either way, this is direct U.S. Military involvement in the Israeli conflict. Which is something that hasn't occurred in the past. It engages our forces in the conflict, which is an escalation. A significant one. And we'd been a shitty ally if we had done nothing. This could have been the goal and we faked Iran out by doing the right thing for once. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:56:17 PM EST
[#8]
Iran an should have been dealt with back in the 80's.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:03:27 PM EST
[#9]
*Laughs in USS Mason*
They didn't do shit then either. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:04:55 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The irony is so thick with all the "end the forever wars!" And "stop being the world's policeman!" Are crying for destruction of the people that would fire on the vessel that's doing the job they want to cancel.  I agree wholeheartedly. To the crew of the USS Carney: We salute you for a job well done! “A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for.” John Augustus Shedd |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:10:05 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That begs the question if it was not targeted at a US asset, has the ROE been updated to shoot everything down or shoot things down heading to Isreal? We need more of these men, not fewer. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans: “This is going to be a fighting ship. I intend to go in harm’s way, and anyone who doesn’t want to go along had better get off right now,” Evans said at Johnston’s commissioning in Seattle on Oct. 27, 1943, according to the Naval History and Heritage Command. On Oct. 25, 1944, a Japanese force of four battleships, six heavy cruisers, two light cruisers, and 11 destroyers surprised a U.S. task unit. The Japanese force was trying to run-down six U.S. small escort carriers, three destroyers including Johnston and four destroyer escorts defending the north Leyte Gulf, east of Samar, retired Rear Adm. Samuel Cox, director of the Naval History and Heritage Command, told USNI News. The USS Johnston was the first to engage the enemy with torpedoes. This was the beginning of the Battle of Samar. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:12:48 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you guys need a hobby other than sitting around hoping for a war you won't even participate in. What’s your hobby? |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:13:42 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We need more of these men, not fewer. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans: “This is going to be a fighting ship. I intend to go in harm’s way, and anyone who doesn’t want to go along had better get off right now,” Evans said at Johnston’s commissioning in Seattle on Oct. 27, 1943, according to the Naval History and Heritage Command. On Oct. 25, 1944, a Japanese force of four battleships, six heavy cruisers, two light cruisers, and 11 destroyers surprised a U.S. task unit. The Japanese force was trying to run-down six U.S. small escort carriers, three destroyers including Johnston and four destroyer escorts defending the north Leyte Gulf, east of Samar, retired Rear Adm. Samuel Cox, director of the Naval History and Heritage Command, told USNI News. The USS Johnston was the first to engage the enemy with torpedoes. This was the beginning of the Battle of Samar. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That begs the question if it was not targeted at a US asset, has the ROE been updated to shoot everything down or shoot things down heading to Isreal? We need more of these men, not fewer. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans: “This is going to be a fighting ship. I intend to go in harm’s way, and anyone who doesn’t want to go along had better get off right now,” Evans said at Johnston’s commissioning in Seattle on Oct. 27, 1943, according to the Naval History and Heritage Command. On Oct. 25, 1944, a Japanese force of four battleships, six heavy cruisers, two light cruisers, and 11 destroyers surprised a U.S. task unit. The Japanese force was trying to run-down six U.S. small escort carriers, three destroyers including Johnston and four destroyer escorts defending the north Leyte Gulf, east of Samar, retired Rear Adm. Samuel Cox, director of the Naval History and Heritage Command, told USNI News. The USS Johnston was the first to engage the enemy with torpedoes. This was the beginning of the Battle of Samar. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. I am not adverse to the ship’s CO taking initiative if that is what happen, but that is wholly unlike the SWOs I have worked with throughout the years. If the ship was not the target, I highly doubt the CO went rouge and gave batteries release on his own. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:22:43 PM EST
[#14]
Fucking weak ass biden needs a "oooooo look how tough I am" and chose something literally no one can confirm or deny. Perfect psyop to signal strength.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:20:34 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: zerohedge.  
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:21:40 PM EST
[#16]
First fucking line in the article says cruise missiles likely aimed at israel.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:23:09 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My buddy says: "Same type of missiles used in the Gulf of Tonkin?" No, same one that took out the Maine. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:35:15 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *Laughs in USS Mason* They didn't do shit then either. I guess you're free to be wrong if you want. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:38:19 PM EST
[#19]
Quoted: Fucking weak ass biden needs a "oooooo look how tough I am" and chose something literally no one can confirm or deny. Perfect psyop to signal strength. Quoted: I guess you're free to be wrong if you want. There's plenty of evidence this took place. When it's declassified, you can see it too. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:39:51 PM EST
[#20]
What kinda gulf of Tonkin horseshit is this?
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:40:40 PM EST
[#21]
Now don't worry, Commodore. The Carney'll never fire first. But if he fires one, I'll fire one.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:46:53 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One source said land attack cruise missile, so a SM-3 could easily catch up from behind. Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:52:22 PM EST
[#23]
My payroll clerk's son is on that ship. She about lost her shit this afternoon when this hit the news.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:53:55 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you're free to be wrong if you want. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: *Laughs in USS Mason* They didn't do shit then either. I guess you're free to be wrong if you want. They struck the launch and some support sites with TLAMs back then, and my only complaint it was quite a while afterward |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:56:53 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not adverse to the ship’s CO taking initiative if that is what happen, but that is wholly unlike the SWOs I have worked with throughout the years. If the ship was not the target, I highly doubt the CO went rouge and gave batteries release on his own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That begs the question if it was not targeted at a US asset, has the ROE been updated to shoot everything down or shoot things down heading to Isreal? We need more of these men, not fewer. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans: “This is going to be a fighting ship. I intend to go in harm’s way, and anyone who doesn’t want to go along had better get off right now,” Evans said at Johnston’s commissioning in Seattle on Oct. 27, 1943, according to the Naval History and Heritage Command. On Oct. 25, 1944, a Japanese force of four battleships, six heavy cruisers, two light cruisers, and 11 destroyers surprised a U.S. task unit. The Japanese force was trying to run-down six U.S. small escort carriers, three destroyers including Johnston and four destroyer escorts defending the north Leyte Gulf, east of Samar, retired Rear Adm. Samuel Cox, director of the Naval History and Heritage Command, told USNI News. The USS Johnston was the first to engage the enemy with torpedoes. This was the beginning of the Battle of Samar. Lt. Commander Ernst Evans was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. I am not adverse to the ship’s CO taking initiative if that is what happen, but that is wholly unlike the SWOs I have worked with throughout the years. If the ship was not the target, I highly doubt the CO went rouge and gave batteries release on his own. That. "Let's shoot ordnance over one, maybe two (depending on the flight path and intercept track) sovereign nations' airspace. That sounds career enhancing! Hope the SM2 or 3 doesn't lose lock and decide to engage anything else flying in the vicinity..." The fuckers shot at the Red Sea, near us, amd we're lying about it. For reasons. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:57:36 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now don't worry, Commodore. The Carney'll never fire first. But if he fires one, I'll fire one. +1 melted film frame. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:00:10 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One source said land attack cruise missile, so a SM-3 could easily catch up from behind. Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. They shot 2s, 3s have a hit to kill warhead and are reserved for a specific mission and they would never be used against a LACM. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:01:28 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They struck the launch and some support sites with TLAMs back then, and my only complaint it was quite a while afterward Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: *Laughs in USS Mason* They didn't do shit then either. I guess you're free to be wrong if you want. They struck the launch and some support sites with TLAMs back then, and my only complaint it was quite a while afterward I may have misunderstood his point. I thought he was implying that this event today didn't happen. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:06:23 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They shot 2s, 3s have a hit to kill warhead and are reserved for a specific mission and they would never be used against a LACM. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: One source said land attack cruise missile, so a SM-3 could easily catch up from behind. Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. They shot 2s, 3s have a hit to kill warhead and are reserved for a specific mission and they would never be used against a LACM. Thank you, R0N, for the clarification. Which doesn't really answer any of the questions, but knowledge is power. What do you think happened? |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:12:26 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you guys need a hobby other than sitting around hoping for a war you won't even participate in. I have a sinking feeling every single American citizen will "participate" in this one - or, at least, suffer from it. This shit could get very, very bad - very, very fast. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:15:25 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/defense-systems/standard-missile-2-sm-2/ Reported missiles launched from US ship. Haven't (some of) our destroyers been outfitted with directed energy weapons too? Those would require line of sight to engage, but still something to consider. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:16:05 PM EST
[#32]
We aren’t getting the whole story.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:17:28 PM EST
[#33]
Every day its getting worse and worse it seems.
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:19:22 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We aren't getting the whole story. It's not that complicated of a story. Iran supplies the Houthi. Iran tells them to shoot at Israel, or they take the initiative. US warship in the Red Sea, and roughly in the path of multiple weapons. Ship knocks them out of the sky. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:22:17 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not adverse to the ship’s CO taking initiative if that is what happen, but that is wholly unlike the SWOs I have worked with throughout the years. If the ship was not the target, I highly doubt the CO went rouge and gave batteries release on his own. You don’t know the SWOs I know…I would engage misled/rockets heading north in the Red Sea from Yemen in the current situation. I’ve also never run a ship aground or had a collision at sea under my watch Just a Retired SWO O5 |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:23:03 PM EST
[#36]
Tonkin 2.0?
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:32:20 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lockheed Martin stock Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What should I panic buy for this, gasoline, ammo, gold ? Lockheed Martin stock Northrop Grumman (NOC) actually …. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 5:15:23 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t know the SWOs I know…I would engage misled/rockets heading north in the Red Sea from Yemen in the current situation. I’ve also never run a ship aground or had a collision at sea under my watch Just a Retired SWO O5 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not adverse to the ship’s CO taking initiative if that is what happen, but that is wholly unlike the SWOs I have worked with throughout the years. If the ship was not the target, I highly doubt the CO went rouge and gave batteries release on his own. You don’t know the SWOs I know…I would engage misled/rockets heading north in the Red Sea from Yemen in the current situation. I’ve also never run a ship aground or had a collision at sea under my watch Just a Retired SWO O5 I did 4 years at the OPNAV and multi-MEU-ARGs As a community the SWOs are risk-adverse, zero defect and tend to be the wait for authorization vice the ask for forgiveness type. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 5:20:47 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should invade Yemen and then spend 15 years there and add 20 trillion to the debt, then import several million of them here as refugees. That will show them!  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 6:06:12 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One source said land attack cruise missile, so a SM-3 could easily catch up from behind. Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. Why does Carney need to see the launch? Other sensors detect the launch and track the targets headed north. Folks in an operations center somewhere predict where they are headed and alert forces in a position to intercept. I have zero direct knowledge of what happened, but this strikes me as the most likely way it went down. As for routing over the Red Sea, that’s probably much simpler for folks with limited intel and mission planning capabilities than routing the missiles over land at low altitude. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 6:12:00 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. It's 2023. Information gets passed pretty quickly now. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 6:13:50 AM EST
[#42]
The article doesn't say they were fired at our ship they think they were headed for Israel. Are these maybe some of the weapons we left there under Obama?
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Posted: 10/20/2023 6:17:49 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The article doesn't say they were fired at our ship they think they were headed for Israel. Are these maybe some of the weapons we left there under Obama? The Houthis have had Quds missiles for a long time. The Quds 3 can hit Israel. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 7:21:18 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 2023. Information gets passed pretty quickly now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, but how is Carney seeing the launch? They're at sea; the launch is going to be inland, low, and staying inland. Moreover, why do anything about it if the track isn't coming anywhere near you or yours? Let the Izzies handle it. Which makes me think DonS was right, it came near the US (God only knows how they got a position fix on USN assets) and we're lying about it. It's 2023. Information gets passed pretty quickly now. The combination of a really powerful radar, Link 16 to provide the recognized maritime common operating picutre and pretty good electornic warfare capability. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:06:39 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did 4 years at the OPNAV and multi-MEU-ARGs As a community the SWOs are risk-adverse, zero defect and tend to be the wait for authorization vice the ask for forgiveness type. I did tours on DD-963s, FFG-7s and with PHMRON...I guess as a TAO and OOD ... I was in the "ask for forgiveness" cohort - albeit a small and exclusive club. I've met my share of Aviators and Submariners who display the same traits... I send my compliments to CO CARNEY - it's always good to exercise your ship crew and systems when you have targets of opportunity. I'll hope the ship and crew get a commendation and the CO is not relieved for cause. GD is beyond schizo... last week GD was piling on a CG CO that was relieved and the main comment was she was unattractive or possibly trans. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:11:00 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did tours on DD-963s, FFG-7s and with PHMRON...I guess as a TAO and OOD ... I was in the "ask for forgiveness" cohort - albeit a small and exclusive club. I've met my share of Aviators and Submariners who display the same traits... I send my compliments to CO CARNEY - it's always good to exercise your ship crew and systems when you have targets of opportunity. GD is beyond schizo... last week GD was piling on a CG CO that was relieved and the main comment was she was unattractive or possibly trans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I did 4 years at the OPNAV and multi-MEU-ARGs As a community the SWOs are risk-adverse, zero defect and tend to be the wait for authorization vice the ask for forgiveness type. I did tours on DD-963s, FFG-7s and with PHMRON...I guess as a TAO and OOD ... I was in the "ask for forgiveness" cohort - albeit a small and exclusive club. I've met my share of Aviators and Submariners who display the same traits... I send my compliments to CO CARNEY - it's always good to exercise your ship crew and systems when you have targets of opportunity. GD is beyond schizo... last week GD was piling on a CG CO that was relieved and the main comment was she was unattractive or possibly trans. There are some damn good SWOs out there, they would have fit in with the iron men who fought WWII. But you have to agree as a group they tend to not be as agressive as some of the other tribes within the Navy. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:02:23 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are some damn good SWOs out there, they would have fit in with the iron men who fought WWII. But you have to agree as a group they tend to not be as agressive as some of the other tribes within the Navy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I did 4 years at the OPNAV and multi-MEU-ARGs As a community the SWOs are risk-adverse, zero defect and tend to be the wait for authorization vice the ask for forgiveness type. I did tours on DD-963s, FFG-7s and with PHMRON...I guess as a TAO and OOD ... I was in the "ask for forgiveness" cohort - albeit a small and exclusive club. I've met my share of Aviators and Submariners who display the same traits... I send my compliments to CO CARNEY - it's always good to exercise your ship crew and systems when you have targets of opportunity. GD is beyond schizo... last week GD was piling on a CG CO that was relieved and the main comment was she was unattractive or possibly trans. There are some damn good SWOs out there, they would have fit in with the iron men who fought WWII. But you have to agree as a group they tend to not be as agressive as some of the other tribes within the Navy. Submariners aggressive - maybe about their check lists. I'll give you that aviators like to be seen as aggressive if they are well-fed, get their crew rest and its not cold and wet during flight ops. SEALS - yes Restricted Line and the Corps - my sister is a retired NAVY Nurse; she's aggressive but that was before the NAVY - otherwise not aggressive I am not including the USMC, but I love those overly aggressive crayon-eating bastards. Tough aggressive competent SWOs should be prized is my point and CO CARNEY apparently is part of that exclusive club in my community. He should be praised and not become part of some Q-tard fueled Gulf of Tonkin REDUX conspiracy theory. Have a great NAVY day and celebrate that the NAVY is 248 years o +plus 1 week |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:06:33 AM EST
[#48]
I think we did this one already in Vietnam
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:09:39 AM EST
[#49]
They might be on standing orders. We don't know. Heck, for all we know, they were firing at a hospital in Gaza, and POTUS told them to shoot them down and sent Hamas another hundred million or so.
Wish they'd balance our budget. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:17:53 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we did this one already in Vietnam A lot of retarded parrots in this thread. |
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