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Posted: 8/15/2017 9:47:38 AM EST
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A vast Yankee conspiracy : First they created NASCAR with false provenance to keep southern men distracted and sedentary. Next they bio engineered Golden Corral to be irresistible to the southern palate causing obesity and a decrease in battle readiness. Then they reduced southern institutions of higher learning to minor leagues for various sports, stopping innovation and research. Finally and most nefariously they partnered with QVC to sell Elvis memorabilia to drain the economy |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 9:54:02 AM EST
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Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri all owned slaves and were Union States. Even with the formation of West Virginia, Senator John S. Carlile objected that Congress had no right to impose emancipation on West Virginia. North didn't fight the war over Slavery. It simply used it as a reason after the war started. "If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also so that" -A. Lincoln "I view the matter (Emancipation Proclamation) as a practical war measure, to be decided upon according to the advantages or disadvantages it may offer to the suppression of the rebellion." -A. Lincoln "I will also concede that emancipation would help us in Europe, and convince them that we are incited by something more than ambition." -A.Lincoln The emancipation proclamation only freed Southern slaves, where he had no power to enforce it. In the states he still controlled, he explicitly did not free the slaves. Before income taxes, the federal gocernment existed off of tariffs and excise taxes. The southern states provided something like 75% of those because of their raw good exports. Those goods also provided most of the raw materials needed for northern factories. Had they succeeded in the secession, the federal governmrnt would have collapsed in economic ruin. Slavery is wrong, but the civil war was about money. The idea that Lincoln invaded the south to end slavery is revisionist bs. As to Lincoln "believing in the law" as his reason for not freeing northern slaves, that sure didnt stop him from ignoring habeas corpus. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 9:56:55 AM EST
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A vast Yankee conspiracy : First they created NASCAR with false provenance to keep southern men distracted and sedentary. Next they bio engineered Golden Corral to be irresistible to the southern palate causing obesity and a decrease in battle readiness. Then they reduced southern institutions of higher learning to minor leagues for various sports, stopping innovation and research. Finally and most nefariously they partnered with QVC to sell Elvis memorabilia to drain the economy Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What ever happened to "The South shall rise again."  First they created NASCAR with false provenance to keep southern men distracted and sedentary. Next they bio engineered Golden Corral to be irresistible to the southern palate causing obesity and a decrease in battle readiness. Then they reduced southern institutions of higher learning to minor leagues for various sports, stopping innovation and research. Finally and most nefariously they partnered with QVC to sell Elvis memorabilia to drain the economy 
Nicely played. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 9:57:49 AM EST
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Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri all owned slaves and were Union States. Even with the formation of West Virginia, Senator John S. Carlile objected that Congress had no right to impose emancipation on West Virginia. North didn't fight the war over Slavery. It simply used it as a reason after the war started. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:00:06 AM EST
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No he isnt wrong. "If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also so that" -A. Lincoln "I view the matter (Emancipation Proclamation) as a practical war measure, to be decided upon according to the advantages or disadvantages it may offer to the suppression of the rebellion." -A. Lincoln "I will also concede that emancipation would help us in Europe, and convince them that we are incited by something more than ambition." -A.Lincoln The emancipation proclamation only freed Southern slaves, where he had no power to enforce it. In the states he still controlled, he explicitly did not free the slaves. Before income taxes, the federal gocernment existed off of tariffs and excise taxes. The southern states provided something like 75% of those because of their raw good exports. Those goods also provided modt of the rax,aterials needed gor northern factories. Had they succeeded in the secession, the federal governmrnt would have collapsed in economic ruin. Slavery is wrong, but the civil war was about money. The idea that Lincoln invaded the south to end slavery is revisionist bs. issue because the South seceded and put the issue front and center. Th fucking war was about the South's preservation of slavery, it's all there, even in the states declarations of secession. This is not a Civil War thread and I don't want to derail it. This is a thread about the Left waging war against this nation, and the Civil War in this context is just a visual aid. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:00:29 AM EST
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Damn, I dislike some yankees, but that is some funny shit right right there.
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What ever happened to "The South shall rise again." First they created NASCAR with false provenance to keep southern men distracted and sedentary. Next they bio engineered Golden Corral to be irresistible to the southern palate causing obesity and a decrease in battle readiness. Then they reduced southern institutions of higher learning to minor leagues for various sports, stopping innovation and research. Finally and most nefariously they partnered with QVC to sell Elvis memorabilia to drain the economy
Nicely played. 
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:01:10 AM EST
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As if the North was just hunky dorey about letting slavery continue and wasn't trying for decades to assert political and economic pressure on the South to end the practice. Rationalize it any way you want, the South left the Union to keep people in human bondage, no amount of deflecting will change how catagorically wrong th South was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri all owned slaves and were Union States. Even with the formation of West Virginia, Senator John S. Carlile objected that Congress had no right to impose emancipation on West Virginia. North didn't fight the war over Slavery. It simply used it as a reason after the war started. 
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:03:13 AM EST
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Yep, there were absolutely no slaves in the north and no abolitionists in the south.
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:07:27 AM EST
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It started before that during Trayvon Martin. The DNC/Hillary/Sanders/Obama. They all have personal connection and support from various Socialist and Communist groups. They've publicly supported groups like Antifa and BLM. They've all coordinated, campaigned, and worled with various Socialist and Communist groups. They've reached out to them. Obama had the Dream Defenders in the White House. That was the astroturf group that took over the FL State Capitol during Trayvon Martin. I WAS THERE IN PERSON having to work that shit as a cop. I saw DOJ Community Relations Services reps flat out tell us as law enforcement what we can and can't do. The Federal Government told us to let them protest and vandalize. The Federal Government told us not to take action because if we did the Federal Government would rain fury on us. I was there when Jessie Jackson and Am Sharpton met with DON CRA reps and coordinated the plan for protest. I was there when Democrats Politicians from the State like Sen. Allen Williams openly supported by funding them with supplies purchased by the FL Democrat Party and coordinated with DOJ CRA reps. The Dream Defenders were bussed in from across the country. A good many of them were Socialists and Communists from the Wisconsin Takeover of the Capitol during the attempted removal of the GOP Governor. The cadre that formed the leadership of the Dream Defenders went to form various branches of BLM and Antifa. They still had regular communications with the White House until.Trump and sti have them with various levels of government to this day. The Left isn't some boogie man. It is fucking real. The going after Confederate Memorials started back during Trayvon. The Dream Defenders spoke out against it while at the Capitol. 
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:13:45 AM EST
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Most northern states ended slavery with having to have a gun to their head. Some northern states joined the nation slave free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, there were absolutely no slaves in the north and no abolitionists in the south. 
I guess a little bit of slavery was OK and honorable????? |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:20:51 AM EST
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Yep, there were absolutely no slaves in the north and no abolitionists in the south. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yep, there were absolutely no slaves in the north and no abolitionists in the south. 
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Yet my post is still accurate.
I guess a little bit of slavery was OK and honorable????? |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:21:17 AM EST
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I mentioned the EP earlier. Lincoln said a lot of thing in various context. He didn't have a say in the Slavery issue because the South seceded and put the issue front and center. Th fucking war was about the South's preservation of slavery, it's all there, even in the states declarations of secession. This is not a Civil War thread and I don't want to derail it. This is a thread about the Left waging war against this nation, and the Civil War in this context is just a visual aid. This is what happened with the civil war. Lincoln did not let them go because it would have meant economic destruction for the federal government. Using slavery as the justification came up later when the war wasnt going well and he needed to invigorate the war effort. Compare that to what is happening now...communism doesnt win many contests in free and fair discussions in the marketplace of ideals. After all, it now has a long track record that may be examined, and as a political system is a complete and total abject failure. In fact, it is possibly the worst scourge on humanity that has ever existed, second only to disease as the most prevelant cause of human death and misery. Therefore, it must be ushered in under disguise, so a narrative is created. "Join us to fight racism" "join us to fight fascism" etc etc. The media of course, ignores the ulterior motive because many of them are in favor of it. In the civil war, the narrative produced a positive result, the end of slavery. In the current crisis, the narrative will bring slavery back. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:22:34 AM EST
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Sheriff to seek charges against Durham protesters who pulled down Confederate statue
In a statement, Sheriff Andrews said he was grateful that no one was hurt and that county leaders decided to act with restraint towards the demonstrators.
"Collectively, we decided that restraint and public safety would be our priority. As the Sheriff, I am not blind to the offensive conduct of some demonstrators nor will I ignore their criminal conduct. With the help of video captured at the scene, my investigators are working to identify those responsible for the removal and vandalism of the statue," he said. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:24:10 AM EST
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The secession happened because Lincoln was elected. The South saw the threat to the institution of slavery, and seceded over slavery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whoa..........there was a HUGE abolitionist movement in some northern states (Michigan was one), so among individual citizens slavery was most definitely hated and thought to be evil and should be outlawed entirely. I agree that secession was the primary reason but slavery was a part of it also. So it was secession but slavery was a component of that. I don't think Miami is disagreeing with that. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:26:39 AM EST
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Too bad there wasn't a groundswell of Southern abolitionist that could have prevented the South secession. Had the south abandoned the war effort early on and offered to return to the union, they would have come back slaves intact, and northern factories would once again be humming along manufacturing finished goods from slave labor and taking in the vast majority of federal taxes from excise taxes and tariffs from slave produced raw goods. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:31:18 AM EST
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There were some, but they were never going to get traction in a system that economically depended on slavery. It always was about the money, on both sides. Had the south abandoned the war effort early on and offered to return to the union, they would have come back slaves intact, and northern factories would once again be humming along manufacturing finished goods from slave labor and taking in the vast majority of federal taxes from excise taxes and tariffs from slave produced raw goods. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:32:02 AM EST
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Too bad there wasn't a groundswell of Southern abolitionist that could have prevented the South secession.
So the North didn't rip the band aid off in one go, we had decades of compromises that lead nowhere, does any of this justify the South's cause at all? Im waiting for the "it was purely a state's rights economical issue forced on the poor southern farms" crowd to show up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, there were absolutely no slaves in the north and no abolitionists in the south.
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Yet my post is still accurate.
I guess a little bit of slavery was OK and honorable????? |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:34:47 AM EST
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Yet my post is still accurate.
I guess a little bit of slavery was OK and honorable????? You'll find the northern activists did not accept an ounce of slavery as OK or honorable. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:35:53 AM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:37:34 AM EST
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There were some, but they were never going to get traction in a system that economically depended on slavery. It always was about the money, on both sides. Had the south abandoned the war effort early on and offered to return to the union, they would have come back slaves intact, and northern factories would once again be humming along manufacturing finished goods from slave labor and taking in the vast majority of federal taxes from excise taxes and tariffs from slave produced raw goods. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:39:55 AM EST
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And I'll wait to find out why a little slavery in the north was ok, even the EP didn't pertain to the slaves in the north. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:41:19 AM EST
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So when they run out of statues and nothing magically changes, what then?
Fucking idiots. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:42:30 AM EST
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Off the top of my head, I believe eastern Tennessee and the German immigrants living in the Texas Hill Country were pro Union and anti slavery. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:45:21 AM EST
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So your contention is that the North's industrial might was built on the back of slave labor in the handful of northern border states that didn't entirely outlaw slavery? That's a new one on me. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:50:31 AM EST
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There was actually a group of Germans in TX that volunteered to fight with the union. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:52:14 AM EST
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People keep stating this, but the truth is that CSA veterans are NOT counted as U.S. veterans "per law." As much as you'd like it to be true - it's not. The 1958 legislation that everyone is referring to here did NOT make Confederate soldiers U.S. veterans - nor did it pardon them. All it did was make CSA veterans eligible for the same VA benefits as Union soldiers were eligible for. Nowhere does it make mention of them being U.S. veterans. It certainly did not make them U.S. veterans. From the same piece of legislation: "A Confederate veteran should therefore be treated with the same honor and dignity of any other American veteran." Note the distinction between "Confederate veteran" and "American veteran." There's a reason for that - they aren't U.S. veterans - they're Confederate veterans. A Union soldier is considered both a Union veteran AND a U.S. veteran. They're given the honor of being "U.S." veterans. A Confederate veteran is only that - a Confederate veteran. Your interpretation is wrong... |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:55:32 AM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:59:51 AM EST
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What till they start desecrating graves. I'm sure some people here would be ok with that too.
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:01:27 AM EST
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As if the North was just hunky dorey about letting slavery continue and wasn't trying for decades to assert political and economic pressure on the South to end the practice. Rationalize it any way you want, the South left the Union to keep people in human bondage, no amount of deflecting will change how catagorically wrong th South was. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:03:25 AM EST
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Off the top of my head, I believe eastern Tennessee and the German immigrants living in the Texas Hill Country were pro Union and anti slavery. 
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:09:39 AM EST
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Fuckin' A! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fuckin' A! |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:09:52 AM EST
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Fuckin' A! We'll see how this plays out. I'd be willing to bet little if anything happens. Meanwhile, the fringe elements are emboldened on both sides. There should be no excuse for breaking the law of the land. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:14:10 AM EST
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Well I guess that explains what's wrong with Austin. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:39:55 AM EST
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Per Fox News sheriff is IDing people from the video for charges. They stayed back filmed and observed fior everyone's "safety".
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:48:03 AM EST
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So your contention is that the North's industrial might was built on the back of slave labor in the handful of northern border states that didn't entirely outlaw slavery? That's a new one on me. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:54:00 AM EST
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Per Fox News sheriff is IDing people from the video for charges. They stayed back filmed and observed fior everyone's "safety". Every person ID'd will be checked for warrants, and picked up for that. Some will never be found because they aren't from there. The ones actually caught will get a plea deal and a slap. "See? We're DOING SOMETHING!" |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:07:47 PM EST
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Pussies. Every person ID'd will be checked for warrants, and picked up for that. Some will never be found because they aren't from there. The ones actually caught will get a plea deal and a slap. "See? We're DOING SOMETHING!" |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:08:49 PM EST
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Slaves were valuable. The north used disposable Irish and Eastern Europeans. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:28:29 PM EST
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Can Austin be explained? Them folks is fuuuuucked up! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I guess that explains what's wrong with Austin. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:30:10 PM EST
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Meanwhile replacing the statue with Elizabeth Warren. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pussies. Every person ID'd will be checked for warrants, and picked up for that. Some will never be found because they aren't from there. The ones actually caught will get a plea deal and a slap. "See? We're DOING SOMETHING!" |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:36:58 PM EST
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What till they start desecrating graves. I'm sure some people here would be ok with that too.
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:37:18 PM EST
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It wasn't. They just couldn't be liberated as property belonging to the warring South. They were still freed in 1865 just like their relatives in the South Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And I'll wait to find out why a little slavery in the north was ok, even the EP didn't pertain to the slaves in the north. Kind of strange they could emancipate the "property belonging to the warring south" still enslaved in the south but not those already in the north? |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:38:45 PM EST
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So when they run out of statues and nothing magically changes, what then? Fucking idiots. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:59:12 PM EST
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Got it. They just maintained their slave status for their own good. Kind of strange they could emancipate the "property belonging to the warring south" still enslaved in the south but not those already in the north? We are seeing another narrative forming right before our eyes. If it is successful, then someday in our future communist utopia the history will be taught, and people will believe, that the communist takeover was a right and moral result of the racism inherent in capitalism. If the left needs their violence to have a moral component to make it popularly acceptable, then they will ensure they pick a politically easy target. Nazis fit that bill perfectly. If there arent enough nazis around to fight, you can be sure they will make some. Once the commie movement is popularly identified as just and moral, they will be able to expand into more controversial targets as they progress to their end goal. Anyone who questions them can now be branded as racists. Its already working...we have sitting US Senators referring to communists activists as racism fighting heros, instead of what they really are: traitors to the Consitution, and traitors to the idea of individual liberty this country was founded on. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 1:44:05 PM EST
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As if the North was just hunky dorey about letting slavery continue and wasn't trying for decades to assert political and economic pressure on the South to end the practice. Rationalize it any way you want, the South left the Union to keep people in human bondage, no amount of deflecting will change how catagorically wrong th South was. The north profited enormously first from the slave trade and then from the plantation economy and cotton. When the international slave trade ended, the north re-purposed those same ships, which were bought and paid for by slavery, for other trades. Northern banks were against succession because they didn't want to lose all their collateral invested in plantations. The US government didn't want succession because the large part of the federal budget was covered by taxes levied on imports and exports from the south. Those tariffs also had the effect of raising the profit rates by 5 to 10 percent for all northern industry. The richest state in the union in 1860 was Mississippi, and money flowed from Mississippi into northern and foreign coffers. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 1:47:40 PM EST
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History is cyclical you know
We're coming up on the 1607 year anniversary |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 2:04:03 PM EST
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From the standpoint of the Durham government it's just a way to eliminate public Confederate statues without voting. Do you think the lefty downtown leadership is going to vote on a budget item to repair and re-install the statue the antifa vandalized? Of course not. They told the police to do nothing. The antifa destroyed the installation, and the police watched them do it. They're not likely to look very hard for the vandals. Even if caught the local legals are not likely to prosecute with any enthusiasm. At worst the perps would get some minor fines.
That statue is now permanently eliminated, without a vote. This is what happened: 
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Posted: 8/15/2017 2:15:36 PM EST
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The average smart white guy is not going to post on a forum any comment as to what they might do |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 2:17:41 PM EST
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Sheriff to seek charges against Durham protesters who pulled down Confederate statue In a statement, Sheriff Andrews said he was grateful that no one was hurt and that county leaders decided to act with restraint towards the demonstrators.
"Collectively, we decided that restraint and public safety would be our priority. As the Sheriff, I am not blind to the offensive conduct of some demonstrators nor will I ignore their criminal conduct. With the help of video captured at the scene, my investigators are working to identify those responsible for the removal and vandalism of the statue," he said. We knew that already Fuckers need to have to pay to get it replaced |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 2:19:12 PM EST
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