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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:56:42 PM EST
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Desecration of churches in France sure hasn't made the news here. MSM... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Trump hasn't been burning down and desecrating churches in France for the past year. https://i.redd.it/sjueh3wbdhs21.jpg MSM... You should not expect to hear much. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:57:11 PM EST
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Started being built 1163
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:57:15 PM EST
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Curious. . .if it is ROP, would they even tell us? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:57:33 PM EST
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Curious. . .if it is ROP, would they even tell us? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:57:35 PM EST
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I don't see how any of these major artifacts got destroyed without someone running in there like it was as burning man event to grab that shit. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:57:41 PM EST
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That scaffolding has held up remarkably well. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:57:45 PM EST
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French fire chief just said they don't think the fire can be stopped.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:57:56 PM EST
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fire started about mid day... not after hours. The place was fully staffed with hundreds of tourists streaming through at the time. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:58:02 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:58:11 PM EST
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I don't know why this is affecting me at all, but I'm pretty upset about it. "Priceless, irreplaceable, cultural heritage", etc, are trite phrases but they fully apply to something like Notre Dame, and then some. Having seen it myself, I'm saddened that future generations never will. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:58:12 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:58:22 PM EST
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There's absolutely no way that building was insurable. It's literally priceless. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:58:38 PM EST
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French fire chief just said they don't think the fire can be stopped. Sad day indeed. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:59:30 PM EST
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French fire chief just said they don't think the fire can be stopped. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:59:46 PM EST
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Ah, the old Provo Academy. It used to be BYU. They won't count the football games we played against them when they occupied that building. Of course we (Utah) beat them those 5 times or so. It's now an LDS church Tabernacle. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:59:48 PM EST
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Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I'm no fan of the ROP, lets knock off the ROP conspiracy theories for now please. There's zero evidence of such at this time. It just makes this forum look like a bunch of loons. Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:59:53 PM EST
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It's a very very big loss to humanity and Western civilization. It's a big deal and you understand the gravity of what the world is losing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know why this is affecting me at all, but I'm pretty upset about it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:59:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hence my question a few pages up. I don't have a clue about public funded construction in France, but typically, a contractor has to provide a bond and add the property as an additionally insured on their policy. How much bonding capacity does a GC need to do a full on renovation scope to a national treasure like that? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:00:16 PM EST
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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/15/20/12310122-6925015-The_spire_collapses_while_flames_are_burning_through_the_roof_at-a-223_1555356197534.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/15/19/12307276-6925015-Pictures_from_across_Paris_showed_the_historic_cathedral_ablaze_-m-160_1555353788704.jpg |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:00:24 PM EST
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Where is the video of the RoPers Snackbarring and celebrating You know some are |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:00:28 PM EST
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French fire chief just said they don't think the fire can be stopped. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:01:32 PM EST
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I just saw that some relics and artwork was saved.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:02:13 PM EST
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This is a very big loss even if you aren't religious. A lot of history and art getting burned up is never a good thing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:02:21 PM EST
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I just saw that some relics and artwork was saved. I hope so, but it sound like everything is a complete loss. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:02:21 PM EST
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Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I'm no fan of the ROP, lets knock off the ROP conspiracy theories for now please. There's zero evidence of such at this time. It just makes this forum look like a bunch of loons. Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/ I hope this was just an accident. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:02:37 PM EST
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That's incredibly, incredibly sad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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French fire chief just said they don't think the fire can be stopped.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:02:41 PM EST
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Not an expert on fires, but I thought this would be out by now...
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:02:49 PM EST
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Visited Paris last fall. Sad to see historical architecture being destroyed.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:03:10 PM EST
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Well, that "restoration" went well.
Hopefully the relics/artifacts inside can be saved. I hate seeing history destroyed. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:03:17 PM EST
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There will be a mosque built on the site. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:03:20 PM EST
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Seems like right around closing time by my calculation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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fire started about mid day... not after hours. The place was fully staffed with hundreds of tourists streaming through at the time. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:03:51 PM EST
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Are the American people willingly destroying our own culture through our importation of third-world migrants? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:04:17 PM EST
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"Some Westerners have argued that the West does not have problems with Islam but only with violent Islamist extremists. Fourteen hundred years of history demonstrate otherwise." Samuel Huntington
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:04:28 PM EST
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I can't imagine much evidence being left after a fire of that magnitude. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The investigation will be extensive. Just amazed that it went from potential construction related accident to construction related accident so quickly. Not surprised that possibility is what they led with and more details might shine light on why that was, but strange to me nonetheless. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:04:33 PM EST
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French fire chief just said they don't think the fire can be stopped. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:04:39 PM EST
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Absolutely. I just texted my wife and told her how lucky she is to have been there and seen it. But more than that, I don't know, I feel like whatever is coming, whatever it is, it's speeding up. I didn't feel this way about 9/11. I just cried for two days, but it didn't feel this ominous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know why this is affecting me at all, but I'm pretty upset about it. Now? I don't know. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:04:40 PM EST
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It could burn for days.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:05:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are absolutely correct. It will be roughly 80% concern and cogent thought and 20% inbred, crayon eater. Maybe 75-25 but it's early. Let's see where the day takes us. And to those that think the incredibly stupid adage perpetually restated over time that the French will "surrender again," you have no clue what you are fucking talking about and should sit at the table in the corner and color while the adults talk. The French government is NOT the French citizenry who are an incredibly proud people. They are also less secular than we are here. They will look at this as a tragic loss for France AND the faithful, especially during Holy Week. IF and that's a mighty big IF, this turns out to be terrorism by any group including the Muslims, the French PEOPLE are going to take heads. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:05:17 PM EST
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Hence my question a few pages up. I don't have a clue about public funded construction in France, but typically, a contractor has to provide a bond and add the property as an additionally insured on their policy. How much bonding capacity does a GC need to do a full on renovation scope to a national treasure like that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's absolutely no way that building was insurable. It's literally priceless. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:05:25 PM EST
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I don't see how any of these major artifacts got destroyed without someone running in there like it was as burning man event to grab that shit. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:05:43 PM EST
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This place is worse than CNN sometimes.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:06:02 PM EST
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Paris is 6 hours ahead of the US east coast, and it was mid-day here when the fire started. It must have been after 6PM in paris. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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fire started about mid day... not after hours. The place was fully staffed with hundreds of tourists streaming through at the time. Meanwhile, apparently someone - I'll give you one guess - involved in an attempt to destroy the place a few years ago was sentenced today. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:06:07 PM EST
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News story just reported that many paintings and pieces of artwork WERE in fact removed and saved. (I think it was an interview with the deputy mayor of Paris).
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:06:25 PM EST
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Deputy Mayor of Paris is live on CBSN. Says that government services have been pulled out works of art and still working on that.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:06:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are the American people willingly destroying our own culture through our importation of third-world migrants? Next question. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:06:55 PM EST
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I hope a LOT of thought was put into determining if that renovation was necessary to sustain the building or not. Because the cost, assuming the an accident from the reno caused this, was evidently not worth it. Unless the building was going to collapse, they apparently had no business doing stuff to it.
Given that like a quarter of younger people in France are Muslim, it's possible that a Muslim construction worker on the project could have done it on purpose. I'm cynical and lean towards this not being a mistake. It's a darn shame. I remember seeing it in person a few years ago. Such a cool building. Never got to go inside. It was also cool seeing French soldiers with Famas's. Their were groups marching around on patrols. It's unfortunate they've already imported their enemy and put'em on welfare. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:08:43 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:09:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:09:32 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:10:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Lots of folks here saying that they can rebuild it and today's artisans will be the ones to do it but in reality they may have an idea of how the thing was built but no one alive today world really have the skill and experience of what it takes to build this thing again. They will need an army of such people. |
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