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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:10:46 PM EST
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I hope a LOT of thought was put into determining if that renovation was necessary to sustain the building or not. Because the cost, assuming the an accident from the reno caused this, was evidently not worth it. Unless the building was going to collapse, they apparently had no business doing stuff to it. Given that like a quarter of younger people in France are Muslim, it's possible that a Muslim construction worker on the project could have done it on purpose. I'm cynical and lean towards this not being a mistake. It's a darn shame. I remember seeing it in person a few years ago. Such a cool building. Never got to go inside. It was also cool seeing French soldiers with Famas's. Their were groups marching around on patrols. It's unfortunate they've already imported their enemy and put'em on welfare. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:10:49 PM EST
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Anyone have any recent photos of the fire? All the ones I can find are from before sunset.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:11:50 PM EST
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Curious. . .if it is ROP, would they even tell us? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:11:50 PM EST
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Not an expert on fires, but I thought this would be out by now... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:11:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure the French people will take action, I mean look at how they fought back after Charlie Hebdo, and how they stood up to the Muslims burning cars every night in the streets of Paris, and.... oh, wait, nevermind. LoL 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:12:01 PM EST
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New Zealand retribution Quote HistoryQuoted:
New Zealand retribution |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:12:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Give it a break. All of this speculative nonsense accomplishes nothing. The GD is so like CNN and MSNBC when they speculate about Trump. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:12:18 PM EST
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If some group was involved in burning it, they'll be on the Tweeter shortly. If you're a terrorist and you pull off something like this you issue a press release. You don't say "Darnit, Abdul Jamal, you were supposed to just scare them. Now get out there and apologize."
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:12:25 PM EST
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Anyone have any recent photos of the fire? All the ones I can find are from before sunset. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:12:54 PM EST
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It's going to be interesting to see La Presidente's reaction to this.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:13:14 PM EST
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Fox News is hanging up on everyone they have on who mentions that there has been a rash of attacks on churches in France.
WE CAN'T SPECULATE! Do we think any of the relics will survive? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:13:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryIt just linked back to this post....
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:14:29 PM EST
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Wow, any mention of the recent desecration or burning of French churches get you shut down by FOX and cut off post haste.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:14:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It just linked back to this post.... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:14:41 PM EST
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I hope a LOT of thought was put into determining if that renovation was necessary to sustain the building or not. Because the cost, assuming the an accident from the reno caused this, was evidently not worth it. Unless the building was going to collapse, they apparently had no business doing stuff to it. Given that like a quarter of younger people in France are Muslim, it's possible that a Muslim construction worker on the project could have done it on purpose. I'm cynical and lean towards this not being a mistake. It's a darn shame. I remember seeing it in person a few years ago. Such a cool building. Never got to go inside. It was also cool seeing French soldiers with Famas's. Their were groups marching around on patrols. It's unfortunate they've already imported their enemy and put'em on welfare. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:14:47 PM EST
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Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm sure the French people will take action, I mean look at how they fought back after Charlie Hebdo, and how they stood up to the Muslims burning cars every night in the streets of Paris, and.... oh, wait, nevermind. LoL |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:14:49 PM EST
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As already posted in this thread, plenty of them are celebrating in tweets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is the video of the RoPers Snackbarring and celebrating You know some are |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:14:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:15:02 PM EST
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Fascinating how some here always want to believe the unlikely scenario over the overwhelmingly likely one in cases like these.
A fire started in the direct location where heavy construction was being performed. The fire is burning a building and property that is heavily secured with checkpoints, and searches of person, and property. Yet the likely cause for some is a terrorist or arsonist. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:15:21 PM EST
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That blows. I'm going to Paris next month. I guess I can cross that one off the list of places to visit.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:15:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hence my question a few pages up. I don't have a clue about public funded construction in France, but typically, a contractor has to provide a bond and add the property as an additionally insured on their policy. How much bonding capacity does a GC need to do a full on renovation scope to a national treasure like that? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:15:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those guys are all dead or on death row. Stick to your neutral country. ... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:15:47 PM EST
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Anyone have any recent photos of the fire? All the ones I can find are from before sunset. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:16:03 PM EST
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Wow, any mention of the recent desecration or burning of French churches get you shut down by FOX and cut off post haste. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:16:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We elected a man who claimed he'd stop importing them. Europe just keeps electing people promising to bring more. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:16:34 PM EST
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Fox News is hanging up on everyone they have on who mentions that there has been a rash of attacks on churches in France. WE CAN'T SPECULATE! Do we think any of the relics will survive? Note: I don't watch 24 hour news networks for this and other reasons. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:16:38 PM EST
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French fire chief just said they don't think the fire can be stopped. All the folks calling for air drops are insane. Helicopters are great for spot fire suppression, but a few hundred gallons of water would evaporate before it even hit the ground. You might as well piss on it. Airtankers are fairly rare, highly specialized, and need lots of support. If they are nearby it can still take hours to plan, fill, and fly them to wildfires. Dumping one in the middle of a crowded city could collapse structures and kill people. The best that can be hoped for is to keep the fire from spreading to other structures. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:16:41 PM EST
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fire started about mid day... not after hours. The place was fully staffed with hundreds of tourists streaming through at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heavy security inside the cathedral. Unsecured scaffolding with probably no security outside. After hours when no ones working. Like another poster said, there's not a lot of welding or shit like that. All reports have the fire starting around 1840 local Paris time. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:16:49 PM EST
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That blows. I'm going to Paris next month. I guess I can cross that one off the list of places to visit. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:17:00 PM EST
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Speculation, speculation, speculation. As someone else posted, Occam's razor comes into play here. We KNOW, just not just guessing, but KNOW, that the church was under renovation. Buildings do happen to catch fire due to accidents during renovations. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. There has been a concerted string of attacks on similar sites, and there have been recent attempts on this one in particular. You're spouting nonsense just so you can feel smug about yourself. Edited to add: Here you go, dumbasses. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack/ar-BBVT5nJ |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:17:07 PM EST
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Wrong building. This one was the Provo Tabernacle, it is now an LDS temple. The building you are thinking of is a few blocks over and was remodeled into the Provo City Library. I'm sick about Notre Dame. Somebody said here that if this was set intentionally, this will be their 9/11 moment. Will they ever know conclusively? This is a tragedy of historic proportions. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:17:12 PM EST
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Speculation, speculation, speculation. As someone else posted, Occam's razor comes into play here. We KNOW, just not just guessing, but KNOW, that the church was under renovation. Buildings do happen to catch fire due to accidents during renovations. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. You're really trying hard to ignore that possibility. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:17:38 PM EST
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Speculation, speculation, speculation. As someone else posted, Occam's razor comes into play here. We KNOW, just not just guessing, but KNOW, that the church was under renovation. Buildings do happen to catch fire due to accidents during renovations. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. Not saying they did it, not dismissing that as a possibility either. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:17:55 PM EST
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Fascinating how some here always want to believe the unlikely scenario over the overwhelmingly likely one in cases like these. A fire started in the direct location where heavy construction was being performed. The fire is burning a building and property that is heavily secured with checkpoints, and searches of person, and property. Yet the likely cause for some is a terrorist or arsonist. Why else would there be a rash of moon landing conspiracy threads lately if not to distract us from them stockpiling nut coal on top of the cathedral? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:18:08 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:18:09 PM EST
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That scaffolding has held up remarkably well. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:18:12 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:18:15 PM EST
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Not as bad as losing the Library of Alexandria, but not too far off. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:18:15 PM EST
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Don’t be surprised if they build a mosque in its place.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:19:00 PM EST
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The people who funded and inspired them aren’t. ... I live in America, and don't live in a Trailer park. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:19:26 PM EST
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Terrible. A beautiful place and city, even if Parisians are pricks.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:19:28 PM EST
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Curious. . .if it is ROP, would they even tell us? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:19:50 PM EST
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My money is on the moon nazis. Why else would there be a rash of moon landing conspiracy threads lately if not to distract us from them stockpiling nut coal on top of the cathedral? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:20:10 PM EST
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Does Sweden not have Trailer parks....are you saying all Americans live in Trailer parks? I live in America, and don't live in a Trailer park. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The people who funded and inspired them aren’t. ... I live in America, and don't live in a Trailer park. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:20:30 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:20:37 PM EST
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Yeah, that seems to have worked well for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: We elected a man who claimed he'd stop importing them. Europe just keeps electing people promising to bring more. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:20:43 PM EST
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Wow, any mention of the recent desecration or burning of French churches get you shut down by FOX and cut off post haste. It's like we live in an alternate reality universe, where the obvious is not obvious to some. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:20:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:20:58 PM EST
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Fascinating how some here always want to believe the unlikely scenario over the overwhelmingly likely one in cases like these. A fire started in the direct location where heavy construction was being performed. The fire is burning a building and property that is heavily secured with checkpoints, and searches of person, and property. Yet the likely cause for some is a terrorist or arsonist. I wouldn't say either scenario is "overwhelmingly likely". |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:21:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not according to everything I’ve read and heard. All reports have the fire starting around 1840 local Paris time. |
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