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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:21:19 PM EST
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A sad day indeed. See how sad these fellow Frenchmen are
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:21:34 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:21:40 PM EST
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Posting this again so people don't miss it:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack/ar-BBVT5nJ They just sentenced someone for a prior plot to burn the place. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:22:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc.  |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:22:15 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:22:17 PM EST
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It will have to burn itself out. It's that intense. All the folks calling for air drops are insane. Helicopters are great for spot fire suppression, but a few hundred gallons of water would evaporate before it even hit the ground. You might as well piss on it. Airtankers are fairly rare, highly specialized, and need lots of support. If they are nearby it can still take hours to plan, fill, and fly them to wildfires. Dumping one in the middle of a crowded city could collapse structures and kill people. The best that can be hoped for is to keep the fire from spreading to other structures. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:22:17 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:22:29 PM EST
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They call them caravans. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:22:55 PM EST
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Fox News is hanging up on everyone they have on who mentions that there has been a rash of attacks on churches in France. WE CAN'T SPECULATE! Do we think any of the relics will survive? I hate speculation but the next time FOX speculates on a mass shooting they need to be hammered with calls and emails for it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? The news was reporting that the fire was to high to get to so why would that be a dumb idea. Again, it was burning for over two hours before the first truck showed up. Why no a helo dumping water. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:10 PM EST
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I’ll have a Coke |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:21 PM EST
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Tragic.
All that history, art, beauty.......gone.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:21 PM EST
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US destroyed ISIS with local armies, hbu? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. ISIS is just the latest incarnation of the Jihadi ideology, and it’s far from defeated. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:27 PM EST
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Posting this again so people don't miss it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack/ar-BBVT5nJ They just sentenced someone for a prior plot to burn the place. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:27 PM EST
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Yeah, that seems to have worked well for you. click. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:53 PM EST
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Posting this again so people don't miss it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack/ar-BBVT5nJ They just sentenced someone for a prior plot to burn the place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Posting this again so people don't miss it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack/ar-BBVT5nJ They just sentenced someone for a prior plot to burn the place. One of three women allegedly involved in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up a car packed with gas canisters near the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris was on Friday sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for earlier |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:23:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bill should never go on Fox again. I hate speculation but the next time FOX speculates on a mass shooting they need to be hammered with calls and emails for it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:24:08 PM EST
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Well, obviously they didn't have enough gun laws.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:24:23 PM EST
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Be fair. We started a war after 9/11. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:24:24 PM EST
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During Holy Week? In a climate where many other churches have been victimized by arson? Regarding a church that Muslim tried to burn down three years ago? I wouldn't say either scenario is "overwhelmingly likely". I do think it's a major problem that the media refuses to talk about church attacks or vandalism. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:24:31 PM EST
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No its not. We all know why they might do such a thing (whether its true or not). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know I'm not the only guy here with arson investigations experience, and I think we'll all agree that calling causation DURING the burn is... questionable. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:24:34 PM EST
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Horrible.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:24:37 PM EST
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It will have to burn itself out. It's that intense. All the folks calling for air drops are insane. Helicopters are great for spot fire suppression, but a few hundred gallons of water would evaporate before it even hit the ground. You might as well piss on it. Airtankers are fairly rare, highly specialized, and need lots of support. If they are nearby it can still take hours to plan, fill, and fly them to wildfires. Dumping one in the middle of a crowded city could collapse structures and kill people. The best that can be hoped for is to keep the fire from spreading to other structures. We, along with the President are not experts. Everyone is just spitballing, because this is so horrific. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:25:09 PM EST
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The numerous recent acts of vadalism and arson of churches in France are valid observations for a potential cause of another church fire. You're really trying hard to ignore that possibility. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. You're really trying hard to ignore that possibility. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:25:35 PM EST
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I have had just, about, enough, of you! click. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, that seems to have worked well for you. click. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:25:42 PM EST
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What are the regular tour hours? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not according to everything I’ve read and heard. All reports have the fire starting around 1840 local Paris time. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:25:47 PM EST
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Posting this again so people don't miss it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack/ar-BBVT5nJ They just sentenced someone for a prior plot to burn the place. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/09/cell-of-french-women-radicalised-by-isis-behind-failed-notre-dame-attack |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:26:09 PM EST
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I'm no firefighter and maybe I'm underestimating the age/dryness of those beams. But that seems like an awful nasty fire to come from a construction accident. Were they working with no fire protection equipment anywhere on site? Not even a damn fire extinguisher or two. Or maybe 9th or something. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:26:15 PM EST
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I'm surprised it's still burning. I would think that the flammable stuff would have been consumed by now. Looks like it's still raging in the center where the spire once was.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:26:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:26:37 PM EST
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If you took all the supposed pieces of the cross there have been throughout history, you could rebuild Notre Dame with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a piece of the cross from the Cruxifiction of Christ there |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:26:40 PM EST
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Its a terror attack..
I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:26:42 PM EST
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Speculation, speculation, speculation. As someone else posted, Occam's razor comes into play here. We KNOW, just not just guessing, but KNOW, that the church was under renovation. Buildings do happen to catch fire due to accidents during renovations. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. This is Orwells 2 Minutes of hate at its best. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:26:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:27:00 PM EST
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control?
Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:27:14 PM EST
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What are the regular tour hours? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not according to everything I’ve read and heard. All reports have the fire starting around 1840 local Paris time. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:27:41 PM EST
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A war that’s still ongoing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. Glass houses and all that. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:27:41 PM EST
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Fox News: YOU CAN'T SAY IT WAS TERRORISM! IT'S TOO SOON TO SPECULATE!
Also Fox News: The irony here being that with the church under renovation to save it, and if indeed it was part of the renovation efforts which caused the fire, then it would be the supreme irony that the efforts to save the church destroyed the church, if was indeed the renovation efforts which caused the fire. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:27:46 PM EST
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I'm surprised it's still burning. I would think that the flammable stuff would have been consumed by now. Looks like it's still raging in the center where the spire once was. It’ll take days to put the fire out. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:28:15 PM EST
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Flip side is that this happened on a holy week and coincides with both a series of attempted and successful church arsons in Paris and the sentencing of an individual (who is a Muslim) who tried to burn this same cathedral down. Not saying they did it, not dismissing that as a possibility either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. Not saying they did it, not dismissing that as a possibility either. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:28:16 PM EST
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Its a terror attack.. I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:28:19 PM EST
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I'm surprised it's still burning. I would think that the flammable stuff would have been consumed by now. Looks like it's still raging in the center where the spire once was. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:28:21 PM EST
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control? Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:28:22 PM EST
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I'm surprised it's still burning. I would think that the flammable stuff would have been consumed by now. Looks like it's still raging in the center where the spire once was. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:28:26 PM EST
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The HOLIEST week in Christianity... I don't think there is any coincidence.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:28:31 PM EST
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France will do nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If it was ROP, tbe response is likely to be savage on a biblical level. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:08 PM EST
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Oh look Martha, it is the Baghdad news minister........er........Swedish news........wait.......nevermind it is just the swede1986 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. Weaksauce, little man. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:11 PM EST
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This man is not happy and knows what needs done.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:15 PM EST
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Amzazingly it looks like there are firefighters inside the bell towers.
There is a shot in the live feed that they go to on occasion that showed them. Brave is an understatement. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:17 PM EST
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Wonder if someone set it...
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